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wicka
Jun 28, 2007


god is real

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wicka
Jun 28, 2007


I hate matt kenseth so very much, this was like porn

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


FuzzySkinner posted:

I got called a sellout by a person claiming to be a "Purdue fan" because I thought Toyota winning the race was cool.

...

Toyota and Subaru have plants in Lafayette which actually contribute to their local economy. Why people would hate Toyota makes no sense to me.

sounds like a garbage person

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


VikingSkull posted:

I wonder if this is related to Haas F1 somehow....

half of their car is built by ferrari and they use ferrari's wind tunnel to design it (windshear isn't legal in F1) so it would be quite an enormous undertaking for them to change engine suppliers

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


VikingSkull posted:

well that's good because I don't think Ford has an F1 engine atm

shame Haas signed that lifetime contract with Ferrari, though

don't be an rear end, viking, you know fuckall about F1. the entire raison d'etre of the haas team is to build as little as possible in-house and thus advertise the haas brand for as little cost as possible, while still punching above what a team on their budget is normally capable of doing. they don't have any facilities of their own with which to design a car. they don't build any of the car themselves. the body is built by dallara. engine, transmission, suspension, anything that ferrari can legally sell them, they do. to suggest that ford could replace ferrari would be suggesting that haas invests hundreds millions more into effectively building a brand new team. you're suggesting that haas build their own wind tunnel. and you're suggesting that he's scrapped his entire plan before the car has even turned a wheel in anger.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


VikingSkull posted:

like I said man, shame he signed that lifetime contract with Ferrari and can't plan to join up with Ford at some point in the future

good thing we have F1 experts like yourself to keep us in check

why do you insist on being such an twat for literally no reason at all

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


VikingSkull posted:

because Haas partnered with Hendrick for literally the same reasons he partnered with Ferrari and now he's leaving that alliance

it's almost as if sometimes people use smaller plans to achieve a bigger goal

it's almost like haas' partnership with ferrari is vastly more involved than his with hendrick and would take years to get out of

it's almost like you know literally nothing about f1 and should stop running your mouth

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


VikingSkull posted:

so they do have a lifetime contract with Ferrari is what you're telling me

no i'm tell you to stop talking about a series that you don't follow and know nothing about

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


VikingSkull posted:

yet here you are, in this thread

and yet...what do i post about here? do i try to correct you about the details of NASCAR? sure loving don't.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


VikingSkull posted:

Smoke selling his stake in SHR, Haas teaming with Boeing and Ford to dominate F1

companies whose names sound like noises rubber bands make are banned from F1

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


Neodoomium posted:

What the hell, the new "overtime" rule is one lap?

Even with a wreck?

it's still two laps, but if they make it back to that line on the backstretch it's deemed a "clean restart" and they will end if there's a caution after that

wicka
Jun 28, 2007



this is the same guy who said "i like yellow" when asked what color his F1 car would be and then it turned out to be grey and black and red like everything else

also racing engineering is trash, this is the same magazine that heard honda kept their old F1 staff working for a few months in 2009 before they could reassign them and spun it as if honda had a shadow F1 team for like 6 years

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


Uncle Jam posted:

Photo op is an understatement, he gave a loving speech at a rally

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/704448593227325440

God drat there are people saluting after that what is this mess

Here's Chase Elliot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtUoQiKIJ7E&t=212s

seeing bill there just hurts

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


wait what if dale jr publicly denounces trump. what will the fans do?????

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


idk man if there's one thing that springs to mind when i think about NYC it's "potential NASCAR hotbed"

wicka
Jun 28, 2007



"i personally don't support diversity and inclusion, but NASCAR will, even though my family has run NASCAR with an iron fist for the entirety of its existence"

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


it's not surprising that they support trump, but it is surprising that no one stopped them from making one of the worst possible marketing moves

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


my reaction to every race this year has been "well at least ________ didn't win"

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


i'm not surprised that NASCAR drivers are republicans, i'm surprised that they give a gently caress about politics at all. if i ever hear dale jr use the words "balance the budget" i'm probably going to kill myself.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


Peanut President posted:

Please fire brad keselowski into the loving sun already.

we finally agree on a thing

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


NASCAR is an event where a bunch of people who support trump put their lives on the line for my entertainment. i don't see the problem with this.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


this has been an outstanding season so far. loved all these races.

Boomer The Cannon posted:

Cole Pearn ‏@colepearn 2h2 hours ago

I guess @joeylogano can't see through his squinty douchy eyes.

this is phenomenally loving childish

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


CBJSprague24 posted:

https://twitter.com/DaleJr/status/711739630211743745

There isn't an :allears: big enough to demonstrate how much I like this Tweet.

dale jr's twitter acct is the best thing about america

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


too many good drivers, not enough great drivers

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


i really hope he's not that stupid, the guy is one of the best drivers in the world rn

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


i suppose there is some logic in leaving for hendrick, if possible

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


is JPM really expected to leave penske?

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


i love kimi to death but i don't see him as being on the same level as montoya in terms of being competitive in various disciplines. he seems to enjoy non-F1 stuff but i really think his skillset is most suited for F1.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


bigbillystyle posted:

I don't see how Indy is a steppingstone to running stock cars. Its been proven quite a bit over the last few years that doing well in one doesn't translate to doing well in the other. I would watch Kimi in either series though. I thought for sure he was going to lose his ride at Ferrari a couple years ago when they struggled so badly but now that Ferrari is competitive again it seems like Kimi still has it in him to compete with the best in F1 and it would certainly be interesting to see how he would fair in either series. I would definitely watch to see how he does running ovals at the very least if he went to Indy.

it's not a stepping stone in the sense that being successful on indycar ovals doesn't mean you'd be successful in nascar, but that's different from it being a useful transition for an F1 driver. but now that i'm thinking about it, only penske or ganassi could come close to affording him in indycar.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


FuzzySkinner posted:

It just seems like a much more natural transition in a few ways. I think the opposite would also be true in regards to a Cup driver ever doing F1. When Gordon was contacted to race for BAR Honda back in the day? They pushed for him to run with Kool Green. He balked, and stuck with Cup.

You go to Cup, and you suck? sometimes your ego takes a hit and it doesn't quite recover for a while. If he ran Indy to kind of allow him to transition to running Cup? It'd be a good move in that regard.

I do agree with Wicka though. You're not going to get a former WDC to drive for any team that isn't Penske IMO. That's just fact.

Run IndyCar for 2-3 seasons. Run the Road Courses, Plate Tracks and a few select dates with Roger's team during that time, and then run Cup full time. That'd be my plan for him to be successful in Cup.

If he runs it full time? Yeah that won't end well for him.

this sounds like too much effort for kimi tbqh. america would love that guy though.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


LASTCAR posted:

Was browsing racing clips on YouTube and this Cat Stevens song came up. Wasn't sure why at first.

Then, about a minute twenty seconds in, something magical happened.

oh my god

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


Cygni posted:

gently caress DARREL WALTRIP

what happened bro

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


Alain Post posted:

well that's really just a semantic difference, "top series" is kind of arbitrary, after all. lots of Kyle's older Nationwide/Busch wins came against a grid that was far stronger than we have today

I guess the difference comes down to if the 2004-2007 Champ Car grid is worse than the current Xfinity grid. One of the great questions of our era imo

will power is really working hard to make that era look not totally garbage

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


if NASCAR could replicate the insanity of cup road course races every weekend they would drive all other sports out of business

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


FuzzySkinner posted:

There was a lot talent in the CCWS field honestly.

07 had Pagenaud, Power, Bourdais, Rahal and Wilson. Every one of those guys found success within the current form of the sport, and is still finding success to this day.

yeah, but if you exclude power, do any of those drivers come anywhere close to the level of harvick or busch?

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


i suspect those ratings are worse for NASCAR than most sports since they're on a broadcast network and thus less impacted by cord cutting

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


VikingSkull posted:

also I will be dumbstruck if by 2024 they haven't figured out internet streaming and a way to track viewership

NASCAR and F1 are in similar spots, really. everyone assumes management is stupid because they haven't yet capitalized on the streaming market; the reality is that it would be detrimental to do so while they can still pump so much money out of the networks.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


daslog posted:

Jeff Zucker used to talk about “trading analogue dollars for digital pennies.” You can also call it digital disruption. Brian France is milking as much money as he possible can now because he knows in the future those revenues won't be there.

(In case it wasn't clear, the streaming market is where you go to lose profits)

jeff zucker can talk that way because he's ultimately a middleman and that's not a business that will exist much longer. from his perspective he's right: those revenues won't be there because his business is not needed. NASCAR will not need to sell their product to FOX so FOX can distribute it. NASCAR can stream it directly to the customer. and maybe those revenues won't be there, but neither will the outrageous costs of traditional television. there are a lot of benefits to vertical integration.

(in case it wasn't clear, the streaming market is where you go to gain profits, unless you're a company whose sole business model is based on it being difficult and expensive to do something the internet does for pennies)

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


Lord Wexia posted:

If I could pay a monthly fee and subscribe to steam all of the races, I would pay $15 or $20 per month for the privilege. That seems like pennies to me.

motogp charges (depending on euro to dollar exchange rates) roughly $15/race, $30/month, $120/season

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wicka
Jun 28, 2007


daslog posted:

If you think NASCAR is going to make more money of streaming model than they do off their television contact then we are at a disagreement.

it's worth a lot more than raw revenue figures would indicate, my man

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