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silence_kit posted:Computer programming in the age of the ENIAC was very different from computer programming now. Conflating them is naive or dishonest. The work that the women computer programmers did during WWII was pretty menial and was stuff like opening/closing switches. ENIAC programs look like this:  That's completely hosed up and insane, but it's recognizable as something even more basic than machine code. These programs were written by women who had degrees in math and were able to calculate ballistics equations by hand. If you want to call that menial, then you can't get away with calling this not menial: 
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NovemberMike posted:I'm not sure you understand what menial is. This isn't a pissing contest, I've had to do that sort of thing before in processor design classes. It's not particularly hard, it's detail oriented and you have to be trained in it but it's the sort of trained monkey thing we typically do once these days and then write a program to handle it from there. It's like old school human computers, we got rid of them when we could get electronic computers to do the same thing. There WAS NO TRAINING for them though. They came up with the notation and wrote the programs, etc. That's the hard part that you do once. That's programming. You also don't get to say it's not a pissing contest when people in a male-dominated field are trying to justify the high salaries and prestige of their field as compared to the similar things that happened in the field when it was dominated by women and low salary/prestige. Writing programs in assembler (let alone machine language) is tedious and detail-oriented, but it sure as hell isn't menial. Lyesh fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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Claverjoe posted:Do you really think that in a country of 300 million people, there is not enough employers who wouldn't have the intelligence to exploit that particular gap if it was there? They don't have to be mouth-breathing idiots for there to be a gap. They just have to value being sexist and various other qualities that have nothing to do with job performance (notoriously difficult to measure).
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