rabidsquid posted:

Jhin looks fun and I look forward to running out of bullets and whiffing my Xerath ult frequently

Mystery Prize posted:

So Udyr with the new AP jungler item is actually kind of good. It gives him crazy fast clear speed and the movespeed means he's basically impossible to run away from unless you can chain ranged CC on him.

Stalker's + Runic Echoes
Swiftness + Alacrity
Iceborne OR Trinity (gotta go faster)
Dead Man's Plate
Spirit Visage
insert tank item of choice

Tequila Sunrise posted:

In the depths of Bronze I can guarantee that, barring D/Cs or blatant intentional feeding, the team that gets Mundo will win. I had a a game where bot lane went 0/3 (each), mid was 1/3, and and I was a solid 0/0 for fifteen minutes, but our top lane Mundo still walked all over the other team.

Mikujin posted:

Riot fixed all the problems with solo queue with this new innovative system that does nothing. Why have hover picks if your team can still ban them?

RealFoxy posted:

I'm an aggressive support player and I frown anytime someone comes back with an item that isn't a BF sword I will not condone a passive 10 minutes waiting for a Ghostblade

RealFoxy posted:

I don't even come back to lane if my ADC is Ezreal. He gonna farm passively while I snowball jungle and mid because most Ezreal are either out of mana indefinitely or never hit skillshots so why bother

e: GBM is rushing ER and I'd trust him over most other pros. Everyone else is building ER or IE except Pobelter (Who built the Ghostblade)

Methanar posted:

He said 4% = 0.004. Lots of stuff he said is wrong.

Mikujin posted:

Rank 1 slow isn't enough to stop Udyr from successfully contributing to a gank (there's still 2 other people), and late game if you're on Udyr slow duty then you might stop him from getting to a carry maybe but more than likely you're doing little else to help the rest of your team in a fight. My guess is you're running into a lot of poor Udyr players (who buy stupid poo poo like Runic Echoes).

That being said, I'm trending further from Tiger and more towards Phoenix because the mixed damage has been just great. My record so far for Sated Devourer is 12 minutes (though I've been averaging, I'd say, between 14-16). Using this setup:

Runes

• 9 x Attack Speed Marks
  
• 9 x Armor per level Seals
  
• 9 x Flat CDR Glyphs
  
• 1 x CDR Quint
  
• 2 x Movespeed Quint

Masteries - 12/0/18

• Ferocity: Attack Speed and Oppression (Bear stun and Red buff provide the CC for extra damage); do not take Natural Talent, it's a huge trap skill
  
• Resolve: Runic Armor, Swiftness, and Strength of Ages are the essential pick-ups here.

General Stuff
Generally speaking, Phoenix Udyr makes a poor level 1-2 invader so I concentrate on getting ahead fast. Start bot side jungle (Krugs or Gromp, depending on side of the map) and clear your whole jungle. All of it. You can do it easily because of how Phoenix interacts with Hunter's Talisman (waves/pulses apply the 20 HP/5 drain to all monsters in the camp). In fact, you will clear 5/6 camps at the same time most junglers clear 3-4 (your Smite will refresh just as you finish camp 4). You can finish your whole jungle at level 4 with 100% HP and a potion to spare, ready to gank top or mid, assuming you haven't got into any skirmishes. When you hit level 3 (camp 3) don't immediately skill Phoenix Rank 2: take a quick glance to see if there's an opportunity to take Bear and gank - there often won't be but sometimes someone pushes just a bit much and it opens them up to an easy pick. Otherwise keep your farm on, leveling R>E>W>Q

Get Hunter's Machete and Boots on your first back - you can finish your Blue Smite item if you have the extra cash but I typically like to get components first (since the upgrade otherwise only gives you blue smite effect, +2% monster lifesteal, +30% mana regen in jungle). There will be some occasions where you full clear and get two clean ganks off and can immediately buy Devourer: do it. Then, immediately kill Dragon. Then kill Rift Herald. Congrats, you are 30% to stack completion at like 8 minutes. Now go buy boots, and keep ganking and power-farming. You'll clear camps effortlessly, and quickly, building stacks of both Devourer and Strength of Ages (this helps make you a bit bulky before you start tanking up). Always watch your map, always throw down wards you have, and always be running to enemies or camps. Don't fear the enemy jungler (unless they've been getting huge) and eat their camps, too.

Items

• Stalker's Blade (Devourer) - Your bread and butter. Some people think Red Smite is a good purchase, those people are wrong. Blue Smite gives you more movespeed while reducing your target's. I like to Smite after stun wears off to keep my opponent in range for another stun (if they're not dead). Additionally, it enables longer Oppressor uptime.
  
• Boots of Swiftness (Alacrity) - Again, pretty straightforward. Go fast, then go even faster. Slows are the one thing that will cripple your potency and effectiveness once team fights break out. If you somehow are against a team with zero slows and only hard CC then Mercs are ok I guess.
  
• Deadman's Plate - Gotta. Go. Fast. But really, this lets you bulk up while helping you exert even more pressure everywhere because you go even faster. Added bonus: enables Oppressor and gives you move soft CC to be a nuisance.
  
• Sunfire Cape - Again, bulks you up while adding more AOE magic damage to your repertoire. While a great item to have, not the first thing to both picking up. Grab this against team comps that favor physical damage.
  
• Spirit Visage - This is your first go-to MR item. I like to pick up the Kindlegem early because of how valuable the CDR is. You can often sit on the components of this item for a long time since they are individually very strong. Against very heavy magic damage teams, complete this and get another Cowl for...
  
• Banshee's Veil - You'll only ever pick this up against teams that heavily favor magic damage (ie. only have 1 physical damage dealer).
  
• Iceborn Gauntlet - Provides valuable CDR, Armor, and a fantastic unique that mucks things up bad for enemies, especially if you've got other armor items.
  
• Trinity Force - This is a fantastic item to purchase to widen the gap if you are already far ahead. I look at far ahead as being "Oh hey, I've been running around crushing fools, am still crushing fools, but look I have like 3500-4000g just sitting around doing nothing!" It can happen on Udyr more often than you'd think. That said, getting this means you'll likely cap out at 30% CDR, and it doesn't provide the large bulk or defenses of something like Plate. While it can certainly help you shut the enemy team out, it's certainly not a mandatory pick up even if you are ahead.
  
• Zz'rot or GA - Both these items are great. Both these items provide the same resist values. I have used both, I have liked both. I gravitate to the former whenever the enemy has a lot of easy to reapply slows that are on low cooldown, and the latter when my own team comp favors long engagements (ie. has a support with good heals like Soraka/Nami) since you might go down once but twice is unlikely. If you are buying Zz'rot, keep in mind you're doing it for the passive, not the active: Phoenix Udyr is already a split pushing machine.

There's lots of other words I can write about this, but the best advice is to avoid entering the Yi Zone with Udyr. That is, the magical sub-Bronze mindset that has you chase people down to the ends of the earth just because you are fast enough to do so. Often it means you waste time, but just as frequently it means you outstrip your team's ability to keep up with you and follow somebody right back into a bunch of their friends. This is not specific to Udyr or Yi, but really with anyone who is fast/has lots of mobility. Starting fights is great, and Udyr's speed can get some great picks, but don't feel like you have to run people down constantly because otherwise you'll just end up dead and mad at your teammates who didn't follow you (because they couldn't keep up).

Mikujin posted:

10 game Udyr win streak had to end some time.

An Illaoi handily crushed our Irelia, who kept fighting after getting hit by hook, and eating tons of tentacle damage, while down in mid lane a Fizz got utterly decimated by a Twisted Fate. Try as I might, I couldn't peel for our Vayne forever, even with the help of a Soraka healing. Much sadness this day.

Mystery Prize posted:

Going back to Udyr chat:

Udyr currently has the highest winrate in the jungle at around 57% according to Champion.gg

His most successful build? A Runic Echoes build similar to the one I posted before.

Mikujin posted:

If you're just testing it dry in customs then yes, it will be slow. My commentary is all assuming a standard game where you get a leash from your bot lane duo - the stronger the leash the better. It's also worth noting you clear faster on red side (blue start) than on blue side (red start) since you can spam R straight through to keep up passive stacks, and W to soak/top up as you go.

Mikujin posted:

Depends on the side your on. Again, red side (blue start) means you can just spam R forever (W to soak if you want) to clear, stacking your passive if you want. Blue side you need to be more conservative with your mana on the first clear. You definitely don't need 3 stacks to clear a camp (especially after getting a combine jungle item or both pieces) so I usually just stick to activating Phoenix twice.

Mikujin posted:

R, hit 3 times, R. Pulses may or may not be done.

Sexpansion posted:

Sexpansion posted:

Velkoz totally shits on anyone who can't dodge skillshots and has really good numbers.

rabidsquid posted:

In bronze I think you just ban the easier to play high winrate champs, especially if they're tanky. I bet Malphite would be the strongest bronze champ atm. Junglers who do well with farm seem pretty good too, since people CS worse down there. I think that's why Master Yi has had a reign of terror for so long

exethan posted:

i never declare my pick, that part of champ select is loving useless

Mikujin posted:

The first game I was forced not to jungle and we lose (our jungler had 4 early ganks and 4 early deaths).

Planeshifter2 posted:

Congrats to our friend Ffoxface for making it into this spectacular fabulous highlight I saw on Reddit today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EIT1utGL9Q

El Estrago Bonito posted:

Yes but pro LoL was never meant to make money, it's literally just a several million dollar marketing campaign disguised as a pro circuit.

Gibberish posted:

Mikujin posted:

What are you queuing as with primary/secondary?

RealFoxy posted:

No, I went 7-3 from Silver 2 and got Bronze 1 for some reason.

Zaodai posted:

You could still get into Silver if you go 5-5 in that situation. I did, and I'm trashcan supreme!

But yeah, don't put Fill as your secondary, or you're going to get fill.

Andarel posted:

I think it's based on MMR rather than division? What kind of opponents/gains were you seeing previously?

breaks posted:

Next time this happens try starting off with a sapphire crystal, then rushing a tear of the goddess. Then rush 5 more of them.

Make sure to get the farsight alteration at level 9 also so that it kinda looks like you have 7 if you squint.

You still won't really do any damage, but this should help you communicate your feelings about the situation more clearly with your bros, and maybe get one of them to honor you with the coveted "teamwork" message.

Sexpansion posted:

I'm really not sure how to best build Xin at this point. I tried Warrior last night and... I don't know, it still didn't have that devourer + titanic hydra magic that I love so much.