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Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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K2 is the (insane) climbers' mountain; Everest is the tourist's mountain. The technical parts of Everest are mostly done for you by the Sherpas. It's going to be really interesting this year to see how many permits China and Tibet sell. A slight increase over last year.

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Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Cruel and Unusual posted:

Yo people, the Nepalese government is allegedly putting restrictions in place so only highly qualified rich people will die on the mountain. I'd bet the under.

Avalanches don't discriminate between the just and the unjust.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Microwaves Mom posted:

Man people talk about getting away with murder saying there's no perfect murder but getting someone a trip to everest and trying to kill them on it? THat sounds like the perfect murder to me. 1 the mountain my kill them. 2 any attempt to screw them will probably result in their murder.

Check out the book or movie The Eiger Sanction.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Artemis J Brassnuts posted:

How on earth do you get food poisoning when you're in sub-zero temperatures?

Bad processing practices give you a can full of botulinus toxin. Still happens occasionally. Other than that, Fred Smith is shedding (say) norovirus. The norovirus stays warm and happy on his hands. He makes supper, or passes you his water bottle. Whammo.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Thirty people are ill with frostbite and/or altitude sickness. Rob Gropel, widower of Dr. Maria Strydom, is injured and making the descent.

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The couple were attempting to reach seven summits, and had already reached the peaks of Denali in Alaska, Aconcagua in Argentina, Ararat in Turkey and Kilimanjaro in Tanzania.
Of the Seven Summits, how do those rank in difficulty?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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it sure beats the hell out of joining the almost 40 million people who die of noncommunicable diseases every year.

Everest prevents cancer, news at 11.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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I think the person who coined the gimmick of the Seven Summits has a lot to answer for. It's a marketing collection of things that are not very much like each other.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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LastCaress posted:

Sorry, didn't die in the mountains. Took some nice pictures, there's a reason to go to these places, they're beautiful.



Gorgeous picture. Is that red bit in the middle the blood of the unworthy?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Those are glorious photographs. Thank you for sharing them. (Is photography your hobby/profession when you aren't surrounded by frozen poo poo?)

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Thank you, Elwood and Aphex, for those pictures. They made a couch-sitter like me understand why you'd hike in the Himalayas.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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One dead, one missing.

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An American climber has died near the summit of Mount Everest and an Indian climber is missing after heading down from the mountain following a successful ascent, expedition organizers said on Sunday.

Roland Yearwood, 50, from Georgiana, Alabama, died on the mountain on Sunday but other details were not immediately known, said Murari Sharma of the Everest Parivar Expedition agency, based in Kathmandu, Nepal’s capital.
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Indian climber Ravi Kamar fell sick on his way down from the summit on Saturday and did not make it to the nearest camp, while his accompanying Nepalese Sherpa guide made it to a camp, said Thupden Sherpa of Arun Treks and Expedition.

The guide also fell sick, but he was able to drag himself to the last camp at South Col, located at 8,000 meters (26,247ft), Sherpa said, adding that the guide had frostbite and was hooked to oxygen bottles.

A rescue team of three Sherpas flew by helicopter to Camp 2, from where they were climbing up the mountain to help search for the missing climber.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Five so far, including one missing and presumed dead.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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simplefish posted:

No it's 5 with 1 missing, so 5 excluding the missing one. The missing one would make it six.

Huh. I counted the named people in the linked article and only came up with 4.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Nepalese climbers say Hillary Step still there, just snow-covered

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Maluco Marinero posted:

Sure is, reminds me of some of a bad Sydney to Hobart (1998). It's a yacht race which used to have stunningly low safety standards for its competitors, such that many crew just didn't know how to operate a life raft, so when poo poo got real they'd make a ton of baffling errors that ultimately resulted in loss of life.
... Cutting out a primary piece of your life raft's buoyancy is an error of incredible proportions that anyone going to sea should even contemplate for reasons that are obvious if trained in life rafts.
Am I thinking of a different race, or weren't they trapped under the life raft's floor and thus unable to hold on?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Maluco Marinero posted:

edit: as an aside I don't believe any of these men or women sailing deserve to die, or don't have legit grievances at the quality of their liferafts or whatever, however deaths at sea almost never have singular 'freak' causes, they're created through a combination of factors, many of which can be controlled, yet for societal reasons are not, whether it's the richie rich machismo of racing, the glorification of solo yachties.
BTW, if goons like tales of terror and derring-do on the mountains, they should definitely read about terror and derring-do at sea: Fastnet, Force 10: The Deadliest Storm in the History of Modern Sailing and any of the books on the Sydney-to-Hobart race. I read The 54th Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race

Fastnet blurb posted:

In August 1979, 303 yachts began the 600-mile Fastnet Race from the Isle of Wight off the southwest coast of England to Fastnet Rock off the Irish coast and back.
It began in fine weather, then suddenly became a terrifying ordeal. A Force 10, sixty-knot storm swept across the North Atlantic with a speed that confounded forecasters, slamming into the fleet with epic fury. For twenty hours, 2,500 men and women were smashed by forty-foot breaking waves, while rescue helicopters and lifeboats struggled to save them. By the time the race was over, fifteen people had died, twenty-four crews had abandoned ship, five yachts had sunk, 136 sailors had been rescued, and only 85 boats had finished the race.

Fatal Storm blurb posted:

the Sydney to Hobart yacht race is one of the world's major sporting events. In 1998, it became one of the world's major sporting disasters. Six sailors tragically perished and numerous yachts sank or were badly damaged. the subsequent search and rescue operation was one of the most phenomenally accomplished peacetime effortsthe world has ever seen. In this fully updated edition to mark the 10th anniversary of the tumultuous race, Rob Mundle, one of Australia's leading journalists and yachtsmen, tells this story of challenge and survival with compassion, vigour and understanding. Drawing from extensive interviews with officials, crews, survivors and rescue service personnel, he relates like no other the calamity and triumph of the 1998 blue water classic. 'Mundle's portrayals of courageous sailors and heroic rescuers fighting for their lives are as vivid as any I have read.'- John Rousmaniere, author Fastnet, Force 10

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Picnic Princess posted:

Wait, how many of the historic dead were actually disabled compared to able bodied people?
Are we counting "disabled when reaching base camp" or "disabled when leaving summit"?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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LastCaress posted:

In less than a month I'll try and summit Elbrus :D Not as dangerous as Everest, obviously, but still a challenge. Last month I was in Nepal, and this is why people climb :



Sure, there's some danger, but it's so beautiful...

Thanks for sharing that picture. Holy cow.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Welp.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Return of welp

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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It'll be interesting to see what Nepal does. Their standard response has been to say "We're a poor country, we need the money."

There needs to be some per-day summit limit. Let the climbers have a battle royale, and the bleeding winners get to make a summit attempt the next day?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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You buy a May permit. You are entered into a lottery with all the other May permit-buyers. You are assigned a day. No summits that day? Too bad, try again next year.

(Climbing in winter? Godspeed you crazy diamond.)

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Son of Welp

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Sand Monster posted:

Or the "blow off the top of Mt. Everest so that K2 is the highest peak in the world" idea. Everest is practically a cakewalk comparatively from a technical standpoint.
I support this solution.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Welp strikes back

e: Also, Oh God No

Alan Arnette posted:

K2 and the Karakorum

Next up is K2 starting in late June with summits expected in late July. We know that Seven Summtis Treks will have a huge team there using their Everest model of low cost and many Sherpas.

Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 23:22 on May 27, 2019

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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ZombieLenin posted:

Don’t issue permits to anyone who has not already climbed one of the other 8km peaks, then raise price of permits.
Kilimanjaro is a hike, not a climb. You still have the same high-altitude problems, but it doesn't weed out non-climbers.

e: Last I read, one third of the people who made it up to the top of K2 didn't make it down. And these were the best of the best.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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simplefish posted:

Kilimanjaro isn't an 8km peak though?

Whoops, my bad.

e: Turns out Cho Oyu is overcrowded, too.

quote:

This huge flock of tourist mountaineers caused the Chinese government to ban climbing routes to the summit of Cho Oyu for a year in 2009. Reason was there were simply too many ambitious climbers who had set Cho Oyu as their climbing goal.

Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 04:23 on May 28, 2019

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Yip. Nobody is capable of dragging you up K2.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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What are people calling the Hillary Step now that it isn't a step? The Hillary Incline?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Seriously, K2 hates you and wants you dead.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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(the plaque reads)
Hier fiel
Für seine Heimat
Sepp Innerkofler

Here fell [I have no idea if this is "fell, died" or "fell, off a cliff" in the original German] for his home Sepp Innerkofler.

I am mildly surprised that the Italians haven't corrected the plaque to "in order to invade somebody else's country".

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Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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ZombieLenin posted:

But was that Austria-Hungarian territory prior to the First World War? Keep in mind Italy actually invaded Austria during the First World War. In fact, much of what is now the “Italian Alps” was actually Austria-Hungarian territory prior to the end of World War One.

Ohhhhh! Thanks for the new info.

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