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ANIME AKBAR
Jan 25, 2007

afu~
Recently found out that the waterproofing on both my goretex boots was totally hosed, despite them being only 2 years old and in apparently great condition. Sent them to goretex for them to "investigate" but I have no idea what to expect.

On the other hand my previous pair is like 15 years old and is still waterproof despite looking like poo poo.

So is gore tex just trash now? Any good alternatives for waterproof boots?

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ANIME AKBAR
Jan 25, 2007

afu~

bawfuls posted:

Maybe your boots have a hosed up DWR cause of something you or the manufacturer did on accident?

Goretex and similar membrane technologies are still great for outdoor stuff though. Hopefully they send you a new pair on warranty or whatever.
These are the model of boots, apparently they recently stopped making them.

The only thing that comes to mind in terms of possible abuse is road salt, since I wear them when walking to/from work in the winter. This city goes loving nuts with salt. I've read about goretex getting messed up and clogged by chemicals, but even then it's still waterproof, just not breathable.

Since it the problem is on both shoes, and is really bad, I'm assuming its probably a manufacturing problem (bad seams?).

meselfs posted:

What's with all the BS nowadays with "water resistant PTFE free environmentally friendly fabric". Gah. You do realize that's nylon underneath, and that the Nikwax you gotta periodically buy comes in a plastic bottle?
Huh I actually didn't know GoreTex was actually teflon. Lol at people thinking it's environmentally unfriendly, your food is packed and cooked in that poo poo.

ANIME AKBAR fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Feb 2, 2016

ANIME AKBAR
Jan 25, 2007

afu~
No inserts, but their soles were made by vibram, which struck me as sort of gimmicky. Never had problems with the soles though.

ANIME AKBAR
Jan 25, 2007

afu~
Maybe that's the case now, but if my last pair lasted 10+ years I don't see why new ones have to burn out in less than two.

What alternatives are there for truly waterproof hiking boots? Even with 100% leather a bad seam will ruin you. And modern boots have loving seams everywhere, I guess because seams look cool?

Also vibram only did the outsole, not the insole, and browsing REI's site I see that most boots are like that. So if your insoles were coming out then it's probably not vibram's fault. If your outsoles were coming off then :stare:

ANIME AKBAR fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Feb 3, 2016

ANIME AKBAR
Jan 25, 2007

afu~

HarryPurvis posted:

Just curious, how high was the water that soaked through your boots? Cheaper Gore-Tex boots will only be waterproof up to the top of the foot - even if your boot goes up above your ankle.

The other factor to consider is the tongue design. Is it gusseted or could water seep in from there?
Starting about a year ago my feet were getting wet on weekend trips whenever it rained, but I assumed it was just seeping through the tops. Then a couple months ago I stepped into a stream just three inches deep and water got in within seconds. They're supposed to be waterproof above the ankle, so they're definitely hosed. I'm pretty sure now that they were hosed a year ago on those rainy trips as well. Possibly even when I bought them.

ANIME AKBAR
Jan 25, 2007

afu~
Cool GoreTex says I can pick a new set of boots for up to $250 (have to be goretex boots as well). Now I just have to figure out what to get. My old awesome boots were Vasques but it seems they outsourced to China years ago and aren't nearly as good anymore. Seems to be standard now.

Asolo seems to still be made in europe, but I'm finding tons of pictures of them with their outsoles peeling off. Anyone got recommendations?

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ANIME AKBAR
Jan 25, 2007

afu~

HarryPurvis posted:

I've been using the previous model of these Salomon Quest 4D GTX boots for two years now in fall, winter, and springtime hikes. Good support, and comfortable for long treks.

Salomon Quest 4D II GTX

Yeah the backpacking version looks pretty solid. Thanks for the recommendations everyone!

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