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I'm surprised that any leader doesn't know Irish. Less surprised at Burton though because she was ushered in after Gilmore hosed it. Gerry though?
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# ? Feb 14, 2016 23:06 |
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Gerry can speak Irish but he's by no means fluent, and is pretty open about that and has been taking lessons for a couple of years, and would get trounced by Enda or Micheal especially if the debate was anything like the TV3 version. If you missed it someone uploaded the full debate to youtube if you are a masochist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQbpZJPThWI But you can always just watch this highlight which is probably enough for anyone tbh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFCHmYLBcGs
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# ? Feb 14, 2016 23:19 |
Did not expect to see this thread ever. This was like 10 years or so ago and its the only good Enda moment I can think of, back then the Fine Gaelers wanted to make Irish not mandatory on the leaving cert and the crowd you would expect turned up outside Fine Gael's headquarters to protest the very idea so he went outside to debate with them, in Irish. None of them was fluent enough to know what the gently caress he was talking about. I find myself in a pickle this election that's probably not uncommon. Won't ever vote for Fianna Fail/Fine Gael because they're ideology free aristocrats who just want to be in government for the sake of it, Labour are center right now, the local want to be independents are poo poo, Renua are loving nuts, Sinn Fein don't seem to believe in the legitimacy of the state or its laws and courts and of course are headed by a guy we all know who has ordered murders, the left wing alliance have their hearts in the right place probably but would immediately engage in obvious disasters/fantasy policies and then collapse the government for another election because they're more suited to protesting than managing a country. So who to vote for.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 00:10 |
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Ehm pretty much every national leader anywhere ever has ordered murders.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 00:14 |
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In regards to Joan getting the chop if she falls short at the election, which may very well happen looking at the recent constituency polling, who's favorite to replace her? My money is on Brendan Howlin. Safe seat, known name, "safe pair of hands" etc - it may be a slightly bitter pill for him that after years of jostling for the leadership he gets it foisted on him but he seems like the most likely pick. If Alan Kelly survives he'll be doing it by distancing himself from the national campaign and making a show of himself (much like he's doing) and I'm not sure the party will be hurrying to pick him, Ged Nash is looking pretty shaky in Louth and I don't thinks the odds are in his favour to hold his seat, Alex White is a dead man walking and I'll be massively surprised if he retains his seat and that leaves Aodhán Ó Ríordáin who will struggle to hold on as well.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 00:17 |
Not so much here but the point was more than they would have been murders not killings by the state in say an execution (no death penalty here) or by soldiers, Irish troops go more for the peacekeeping than the conquering. Not even Nato members.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 00:18 |
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Coohoolin posted:Ehm pretty much every national leader anywhere ever has ordered murders. This is kind of pants argument to use in modern Ireland though. It's not like there's exactly a rich history of war mongering in the last 70 odd years
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 00:18 |
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kustomkarkommando posted:This is kind of pants argument to use in modern Ireland though. It's not like there's exactly a rich history of war mongering in the last 70 odd years That's why Gerry's the man for the job. He'll reverse that shameful tradition and take back Ireland's rightful territory from the Brits. Starting with Rockall.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 00:29 |
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Coohoolin posted:Ehm pretty much every national leader anywhere ever has ordered murders. Yeah your making a false dichotomy and you know it. World leaders have ordered killings in wars and also by lovely policies whilst this is not right it cant at least be viewed as a result of a democratic process. The IRA ran communities like dictatorships and killed people for things like not helping them, selling drugs dating people from the opposite community. Can you see the difference and also why people who have had personal experience of The Troubles are very wary of Gerry Adams?
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 00:57 |
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StoneOfShame posted:Yeah your making a false dichotomy and you know it. World leaders have ordered killings in wars and also by lovely policies whilst this is not right it cant at least be viewed as a result of a democratic process. The IRA ran communities like dictatorships and killed people for things like not helping them, selling drugs dating people from the opposite community. Can you see the difference and also why people who have had personal experience of The Troubles are very wary of Gerry Adams? Yeah of course (although slipping the drugs selling thing isn't really unique either).
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 01:06 |
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Should have linked this ages ago
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 01:13 |
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Goofballs posted:Did not expect to see this thread ever. idk, Haughey probably had a few people killed.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 03:21 |
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if it came out Haughey had someone murdered and mulched up at a beef processing plant I would be shocked that there was someone competent enough in the guards to actually cover it up
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 03:32 |
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Which Taoiseach is the LEAST likely to have had someone killed? I know Biffo would have had at least 7 killed tbh.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 04:35 |
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I believe De Valera killed Dumbledore and Michael Collins.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 05:18 |
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Spoilers! I haven't seen Michael Collins to the end.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 07:53 |
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Debate tonight at 9:30 on RTE - Gerry, Enda, Joan and Micheal joined by Lucinda representing Renua, Richard Boyd Barrett for AAA/PBP and Stephen Donnelly for the SocDems. Claire Byrne moderating with a selected studio audience so hopefully it will be better controlled than TV3s attempt. For anyone abroad the debate will be streamed for free via the RTE international app if you can't get a proxy working with the RTE player http://www.rte.ie/playerinternational/ kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Feb 15, 2016 |
# ? Feb 15, 2016 13:18 |
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I'm looking forward to this debate tonight. Donnelly is extremely intelligent, Boyd-Barrett is usually mostly lucid, and despite Lucinda having reprehensible political views she is at least a good debater. Between the three of them they should improve the quality of the debate significantly, hopefully.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 15:00 |
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SIPTU have announced another Luas strike. This time its going to be on Paddy's Day. Cue another round of anti-union moaning
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 17:58 |
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Is it still/again about pay?
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 20:18 |
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julian assflange posted:Is it still/again about pay? Aye they are looking for parity with Irish rail drivers, which averages out to something like a 40% pay increase over 5 years- but they probably would settle for less, Transdev are refusing any pay increase above inflation which is in the negative at the minute so basically they are offering nothing. There's only been one pay increase of 2.5% in the last 6 years even with revenue increasing 30% so they are pushing hard for something substantive.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 20:31 |
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julian assflange posted:Is it still/again about pay? http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0215/768197-luas-patrick-s-day/ Yup. To be honest, you would have to be insane to want to go into Dublin for St Paddys day from afar.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 20:38 |
Its pretty disgusting yeah
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 20:41 |
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Irish Rail money is....a lot
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 20:45 |
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This is probably a preview for the summer. The Haddigton Road Agreement between the government and public sector unions expires in June and considering the "emergency is over" they are not going to swallow more freezes - this is a skirmish in advance of a messier argument.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 21:38 |
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I'm in a hotel in Belfast and this TV doesn't get RTE. :cryingpadraigpearse:
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 21:55 |
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Enda has hardly bossed it so far.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 23:22 |
Joan was in full seagull mode and they just told her they were hearing nothing
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 23:46 |
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She is a terrible speaker which is a pity as she can articulate points fairly well. She just needs a permanent voice over
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 23:49 |
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Boyd Barrett is getting a round of applause for everything he says now. He seems to have won the audience at least.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 23:52 |
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kustomkarkommando posted:Boyd Barrett is getting a round of applause for everything he says now. Social Democrats guy has done alright as well but he is a little dry. Gerry hasn't spoken in nearly 15 minutes which is extraordinary
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 23:55 |
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julian assflange posted:Social Democrats guy has done alright as well but he is a little dry. Gerry hasn't spoken in nearly 15 minutes which is extraordinary The comment from Joan that he sounds a bit too much like a management consultant rings a little bit too true, the SocDems needed to stand out a bit more for a bump - beginning to think they should have sent Catherine Murphy instead
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 23:59 |
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kustomkarkommando posted:The comment from Joan that he sounds a bit too much like a management consultant rings a little bit too true, the SocDems needed to stand out a bit more for a bump - beginning to think they should have sent Catherine Murphy instead You're right. He seems to know his stuff but he isn't much of a politician which is both a good and a bad thing. I don't see leadership there unfortunately.
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# ? Feb 16, 2016 00:08 |
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Boyd-Barrett did mostly very well, came across very passionate about inequality. The crowd certainly seemed to like him. Donnelly did well also I thought, but possibly came across a bit too "intellectual" (or management consultant-y). Lucinda did OK. Clear, relatively concise arguments. But clearly isn't perceived as much of a threat, she got pretty much ignored by the other candidates. Adams/Martin/Kenny were all about the same 'meh' level. The constant bickering between them just comes across as childish. I'd put Adams slightly ahead of the other two, though he did make a couple of numerical errors. Burton came across very badly I think. Constantly talking over others, attacking Donnelly, not responding to points made to her. She gave the impression of someone not just fighting for her party, but for her seat. Quite desperate. The Irish Times has a poll up on who won the debate, its currently: Donnelly 29%, Adams 20%, Martin 15%, Boyd-Barrett 13%, Kenny 11%, Lucinda 4%, Burton 4%
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# ? Feb 16, 2016 01:56 |
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I was able to watch the debate and jesus, Burton did HORRIFIC. Actually awful. She came across as rude at the worst of it, and just uninformed at the best. Gerry under-preformed IMO. I did enjoy the little jokes and stuff he put it at least but he could have come across a lot better. Enda and Martin kept bringing up the IRA links at the worst time and what points that they have are starting to turn into crying wolf. They brought it up at the worst times and it detracts from their statement. I really didn't like the SocDem guy. He just seemed smug, even if he had some good points. His big issue was being Holier-Than-Thou. Loved the AAA/PBP guy. He was constantly solid as gently caress. Lucindia continued being awful. She brought up the flat tax at every opportunity as if it's something to be proud of. Martin and Enda were as bad as each other. Why people vote for Martin, I have no idea. He's a goblin looking fucker.
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# ? Feb 16, 2016 03:34 |
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I don't think bringing up the IRA is going to work with Gerry, I mean there isn't anyone in the country who doesn't know he was in the Ra so anybody who supports him has already accepted this and still wants to vote for him, perhaps there are younger people who romanticise the Ra or who dont know how bad they were nut just saying he was in them wont work.
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# ? Feb 16, 2016 18:57 |
He's always denied being in the IRA which I kind of believe because I think they tried to operate it like a state with the political party being the one in the driver's seat, not the army council. Its splitting hairs but its a meaningful hair. I get the impression though that bringing up the IRA is more trying to associate him with ongoing criminal stuff rather than reminding people about the fight for freedom. He could have squashed a lot of it if he was less loyal to people and said stuff like he thought Slab Murphy got a fair trial but then he wouldn't be Gerry Adams he'd be Martin or Kenny. A lot of bad can be said about Gerry but he doesn't lack for backbone, loyalty and the ability to play longterm.
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# ? Feb 16, 2016 19:50 |
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Goofballs posted:He's always denied being in the IRA which I kind of believe GERRY GERRY OH MY GOD GERRY WE FOUND ONE
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# ? Feb 16, 2016 20:00 |
Relax, its not like I'm saying I don't think he's responsible. Its like the Clinton difference with I did not have sexual relations with that woman
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# ? Feb 16, 2016 20:02 |
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He was directly involved in the running of PIRA activities and was part of the Army Council, who were always in the driver's seat. As far as loyalty goes, if he'd never denied his membership in the first place, he might not have pissed off Brendan Hughes so much that he went on record with inimate details of Gerry's involvement. D'oh!
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