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namesake posted:I'm sure Farage will be happy to step in as kingmaker for whatever campaign he fancies. I admire your optimism about the Great British Public :/
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MrL_JaKiri posted:No Fluo tribute title, a shameful thread UKMT February 2016: Our Water Is No Longer Fluoridated  Angepain posted:On the one hand I do like the global fame that comes from being partially responsible for a thread title, however i fear such a title may help spread the worrying misconception that a thread is called a 'forum', held by users everywhere who have not even bothered to learn the language before trying to influence the noble traditions of forums culture. Imagine what would happen if words changed meanings, I can't stand for this
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Malcolm XML posted:You can refuse to hire someone if they don't opt out Yes but if they're already hired it's a different matter.
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Feb 3, 2016 12:16
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I think at this point remaining in the EU is the better option, because can you imagine what Nigel Farage's Fantasy Fifties Funland* would be like to live in? gently caress that noise. * My understanding is that this is what we'd have to change the name of the country to, should 'leave' win the referendum.
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Feb 3, 2016 12:26
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I can't see us passing meaningful financial regulation outside of the EU. Not just from a "We need to work together" point, but also a "Because the UK government doesn't want to" point. I like the EU because they can force the Tories to be less poo poo than they want to be.
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The EU is probably good for Britain. I'm not convinced it is good for the rest of the world though.
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Yeah, it's a question of whether they will stop the government from doing good things or bad things and at the moment and for the foreseeable future it's probably mostly the latter. Also the same as with trade, the reality is they are our neighbours and we will have to deal with them anyway as they flirt with racism and fascism so we might as well try and influence it from the inside, for now at least.
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The dilemma is that eventually I want out of the EU because it's an ultimately capitalist organization that will naturally resist socialist reform, but currently it's the only brake stopping our slide into authoritanism from turning into a plummet. I'd like to think that coming out of the EU and restricting the free movement of labour from the continent might make people less awful when it comes to accepting people like refugees, etc, but I doubt that would be the case and we'd just end up even worse off.
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Feb 3, 2016 13:07
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Party Boat posted:Why is the 48 hour work week still such a big deal? Do people not understand that they can opt out of it if they want? Have you ever actually tried to put this into practice?
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:I'd like to think that coming out of the EU and restricting the free movement of labour from the continent might make people less awful when it comes to accepting people like refugees, etc, but I doubt that would be the case and we'd just end up even worse off. EU policy is essentially a big "no blacks or Asians" sign but it's in 24 different languages so it can claim to be multicultural. I agree that I don't think everyone in the UK would become magically less racist overnight if there was a Brexit, but there is a big issue there that I don't think either side wants to address. The anti side has become dominated by rightist nationalists who believe all immigration is a threat to the purity of our vital bodily fluids, and the pro side is mostly handwaving liberals talking about how it's not racist to impose limits on (non-EU) immigration while allowing the EU club special preference. There is a strain of far less overt Eurocentric white separatism in parts of the pro-EU camp that is far less overt than the English or British nationalists but it is still there.
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Feb 3, 2016 13:25
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Guavanaut posted:Another big problem with the free movement of labor within the EU is that it essentially creates a two tier migration system, where one group of people (who are, coincidentally, over 90% white) are allowed free movement within this club, whereas everyone else in the world (who are, also coincidentally, about 90% not) are told to gently caress off by a combination of explicit EU rules and perverse incentives for member states to reduce non-EU immigration. "white" is a pretty bad term to use here, as it obscures quite a lot of intra-european racism that has and does happen
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Feb 3, 2016 13:33
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Party Boat posted:Why is the 48 hour work week still such a big deal? Do people not understand that they can opt out of it if they want? 
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Cerv posted:Have you ever actually tried to put this into practice? Yeah I signed an opt out waiver when a project I was on was going mad and it looked likely that my average hours per week would be above 48. It's like one page stating what your rights are and that you understand that you're waiving them iirc Of course this requires employee and employer to agree to the opt out but surely that's a good thing?
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i mean, most of the victims of the most virulently racist society in the history of europe and the world were "white"
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Feb 3, 2016 13:40
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Really? I thought most of the victims of the Belgians were Congolese.
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I think he means why do individual workers still bitch about not being allowed to work themselves to death when actually they are (provided they don't mind signing away their right to not be forced to if they later don't feel like it), rather than "it's not a big deal working six full days a week".
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Yeah I think I must have misunderstood something or phrased my point badly. Or both!
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Renaissance Robot posted:I think he means why do individual workers still bitch about not being allowed to work themselves to death when actually they are (provided they don't mind signing away their right to not be forced to if they later don't feel like it), rather than "it's not a big deal working six full days a week". It's not the workers bitching is why, it's the bosses. "My business is crippled by Brussel's bureaucrats, forcing me to give mothers maternity level and let workers have a life outside of work  "
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They got everyone in my office to sign that thing, and I had to explain to my manager, their manager and a director why I wouldn't sign it. My hours never get close and I work with a nice enough bunch of lads that if the poo poo hits the fan I'll help out for as long as necessary, but gently caress signing away my right to tell them to do one if circumstances change.
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Feb 3, 2016 13:55
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Fans posted:It's not the workers bitching is why, it's the bosses. They should run their businesses better imo
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have there been any big shadow cabinet leaks lately 'cos if not i think we know what the reshuffle was about
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V. Illych L. posted:have there been any big shadow cabinet leaks lately
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Party Boat posted:Yeah I signed an opt out waiver when a project I was on was going mad and it looked likely that my average hours per week would be above 48. It's like one page stating what your rights are and that you understand that you're waiving them iirc Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant have you ever tried to *not* opt out when your employer wanted you to.
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Cerv posted:Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant have you ever tried to *not* opt out when your employer wanted you to. Yeah. Employer and employee is not, for most people, an alliance of equals.
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Zephro posted:A Stalinist purge of dissent by loony-left 70s throwback Jeremy "The Unelectable" Corbyn? A vicious factional Kristallnacht literally without precedent in British politics? The first slip of the "friendly old granddad" mask, revealing the bloodthirsty Satanic communist behind? I hope so Shoulda taken an icepick to simon danszuck d1 imo
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Ah yeah good point there. I have a decentish union so my employer's never put me in that position but I guess that's a rare position these days.
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Puntification posted:I hope so
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V. Illych L. posted:have there been any big shadow cabinet leaks lately Michael Dugher has set up shop on the Telegraph saying how unjust his dismissal was. The leaks stopping when he left is probably coincidence.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:They got everyone in my office to sign that thing, and I had to explain to my manager, their manager and a director why I wouldn't sign it. I once went to an employment agency (not one of the big ones, some local two-bit outfit) where they produced the opt-out for me to sign claiming it was just a bit of admin, when I asked them to explain it they said that if I didn't sign it then no employer would be interested in hiring me, with not very subtle hints that they wouldn't bother putting me forward for anything as it would be a waste of their time. I laughed, loudly, and left.
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if he really has gotten a lid on the leaks, that's a decent first step to being able to introduce some kind of party cohesion really, everyone in the shadow cabinet should know that it's not possible for a party to function if their lines of communication are fundamentally compromised. leaking that kind of stuff to the press is simply idiotic unless you're doing it as a part of an acute power-play spanning a matter of days even if one hates the leader, there are certain lines that it is simply not smart to cross
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Fans posted:It's not the workers bitching is why, it's the bosses. This. The EU is much better at protecting workers rights than the UK or god forbid, the US, where they basically want a return to the 18th Century.
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Guavanaut posted:Really? I thought most of the victims of the Belgians were Congolese. Just wanna say this response made me laugh, A+
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Jose posted:who? amazing that anyone would think the general public would hear that and go for it No idea, it was at around 6AM and I had just been called out at 5AM during a sleepover so I didn't catch his name. Edit: I did opt out of the 48 hour rule but only because I work sleepovers and that's being phased out in favour of responders units. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Guavanaut posted:Better to just wait for Danczuk to impale himself on his own slender prong. I wouldn't want to risk sacrificing schoolgirls as collateral damage. Plus Corbyn'll never earn the nickname Uncle Jez if he doesn't grow and moustache and purge at least one dude.
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Guavanaut posted:Really? I thought most of the victims of the Belgians were Congolese. Nope, they were kids.
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Puntification posted:I wouldn't want to risk sacrificing schoolgirls as collateral damage. Plus Corbyn'll never earn the nickname Uncle Jez if he doesn't grow and moustache and purge at least one dude. But... he already has a moustache?
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Pork Pie Hat posted:I once went to an employment agency (not one of the big ones, some local two-bit outfit) where they produced the opt-out for me to sign claiming it was just a bit of admin, when I asked them to explain it they said that if I didn't sign it then no employer would be interested in hiring me, with not very subtle hints that they wouldn't bother putting me forward for anything as it would be a waste of their time. you also have the right to opt back in w/ at most 3 months notice so you can always sign it then once you have the job opt back in
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Malcolm XML posted:you also have the right to opt back in w/ at most 3 months notice so you can always sign it then once you have the job opt back in "In an unrelated note, we need you to work 60 hours a week for the next three months" Gotta make use of it while it lasts, after all! *winks at HR, chinks champaign glass*
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Darth Walrus posted:But... he already has a moustache? Is a moustache still a moustache if it's part of a beard?
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