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Who will win the debate?
Former Hedge Fund Manager and Corporate Raider, Bernard Sanders
Inexperienced Hippie and Lifelong Pacifist, Hillary Rodham
The Ghost of Martin O'Malley
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Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Yoshifan823 posted:

You want to know how you get a political revolution going?

1). Don't start with the loving presidential election
2). get a bunch of progressives/socialists elected to mayoral/state congress seats
3). enact socialist ideas on a smaller scale
4). say "look how well this poo poo works"
5). repeat on a larger scale until the glorious revolution sees the blood of the hedge funds run red in the streets

The gently caress do you think Bernie is?

This is literally what Bernie is doing or has done; he started from the bottom, worked his way through the system while maintaining his ideals, became the highest position in his state, and is now running for presidency to push them further, show how appealing leftist policies are, and encourage more leftist politicians.

It's almost as if this line of thought is retarded cavemanspeak for "woah woah woah, let the grown-up moderates handle things".

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Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Tatum Girlparts posted:

It's not about what he's done you idiot it's about how well he can support others.


Yea pretty much.

And he's apparently inspiring others to run for local positions, going off the recently linked articles. Do you expect him to just dump all his campaign funds into other races while Hillary wins?

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Bass Bottles posted:

Bernie gave a lot of bad answers, yeah.

I feel like he's really good at explaining things college liberals are passionate about, and are thrilled to hear mentioned on television. But his answers never make me feel like he has serious, attainable, thought-out plans for how to get there. Hillary actually gets more in depth about actual action she has taken in the past, and seems like she has specific ideas for going forward.

A Sanders presidency would be like Obama pushback x 100. He's not going to be able to accomplish any of this and people will cry about it for years.

Sanders and Hillary's plans have an equal chance of making it through congress. As for actual legislation he's made clear what he wants to do (and if you're the kind of dude who screams DEBT!!!! You're a dullard who doesn't understand how government finance works), and has a history of dealing with hostile parties from the bleachers.

At the very least, a vote for Sanders is a vote opposing TPP and more war involvement, as well as a reminder that the Left belongs to the Leftists, not the center-rights.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Bad Caller posted:

I honestly don't get this post, because FPTP would be replaced hopefully with Mixed-member proportional representation like in Germany or Sweden, where diverse parties do actually happen even if they have to make "coalitions".

MIGF's gimmick is literally and unashamedly treating America as a feudal empire, complete with underclasses and ruling nobility.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
A big part of his support and idealism, In-My-Opinion, is that he's a breath of fresh air for leftists after two terms of Pragmatically Realistically scuttling off progressive ideal irregardless of congress status, and Pragmatically Realistically allowing conservatives to control the public narrative because they might lose an asshair of support for saying otherwise unprompted.

Why push back against the idea of a fiscal cliff and explain that debt means literally nothing to America due to the return on investment on stimulus and progressive policies as well as the fact that the interest rate is oft less than the rate of inflation...when you can just roll with it, maintain support, and watch your supporters justify it with "people are stoopid and wouldn't get it".

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