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Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


They were seduced by the prospect of being able to run paid ads on the screens, although nobody actually did that as far as I can determine. It's like those little TVs at gas station pumps, same deal, added expense just to annoy you, drive prices up, and serve you ads, capitalism at its finest.

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Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

BiggerBoat posted:

I don't like the "put your items on the circular thingy then insert your money" checkouts that a lot of convenience stores are putting in around me. It doesn't save any time at all, even if you do it right, and that's not even accounting for the old people and what have you who always need help with it. Not sure what problem it's designed to solve, really. There's still the same amount of cashiers there's always been. I guess one could argue that it eliminates cashiers loving up and giving you the wrong change or freeing up time to clean and stock shelves but...like half the people that shop in gas stations need some tobacco/vape/blunt papers from behind the counter or are buying beer and need to be ID'd anyway

For now, anyway. It's always been about reducing labor costs. Unless you've got a store that's only ever got exactly 1 cashier, in which case there's still potentially reduced lines which might result in reduced lost sales.

Kagrenak posted:

Come to think of it most of them around here have been pulled out of the stores as well. These were the worst, just an insane waste of money. How did they even get stores to buy them, why wasn't everyone just like "glass is already clear and your products advertise themselves by being on the shelves, idiot"

You don't get a bonus for being the guy to say "know what? These doors are fine, actually."

busalover
Sep 12, 2020

404 Media posted:

Do You Like These AI Images of Dying, Mutilated Children? Facebook Algorithm Wonders

Last week, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg told investors that the platform’s expanding “AI recommendation system,” which pushes posts into users’ feeds from all over Facebook, was leading to greater engagement on the platform. “Right now, about 30% of the posts on Facebook feed are delivered by our AI recommendation system. That's up 2x over the last couple of years,” Zuckerberg said.

Some of the posts Facebook’s recommendation engine is putting into users’ feeds are AI-generated images of starving, drowning, amputated, bruised, and otherwise suffering and mutilated children.



WARNING: Some of these pics are really gross.
https://www.404media.co/ai-images-of-dying-drowning-mutilated-children-go-viral-on-facebook/

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
Oh hey, the daily reminder a lot of people on the internet are loving awful, cool.

Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

What really grinds my gears is that during the migrant crisis they screamed FAKE when confronted with actual photos that look like this. "Ooh this is staged, the dead child is too clean". But pixel predictor output is perfectly fine

Jasper Tin Neck
Nov 14, 2008


"Scientifically proven, rich and creamy."

The AI recommendation system would explain why so many people are complaining their Facebook feeds have recently turned into a stream of unsolicited hot garbage. Facebook had a working product, but they had to Zuck with it.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
I've seen an uptick in AI generated garbage on both facebook and youtube, it's not really that interesting after you've seen about 5 seconds of it once. Shoddy weird looking AI remakes of movies to pretend they are from 1950 or something.

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
The only good use of AI was to make really loving bizarre poo poo, probably while high because you might not care that someone's face just morphed into a pizza and vice-versa.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Remembering how Nineteen Eighty-Four described machines writing books and TV shows of content slurry to sate the masses, it’s really inspiring how close we are to fully realising Orwell’s vision :blessed:

Jesus III
May 23, 2007
We should all quit social media. It's cancer. I find Instagram the least obnoxious, but I'm thinking of quitting even it.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Drowning in meaningless slurry is more of a Brave New World thing, no?

Minus the orgies, sadly.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Hahahah The Rabbit R1 AI Assistant device has been cracked and its just an Android APK and works on rooted phones with some mods.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Jesus III posted:

We should all quit social media. It's cancer. I find Instagram the least obnoxious, but I'm thinking of quitting even it.

Instagram is ok if you like sharing pictures and seeing other people’s photos, what is bad about it is how much they control what people see on their feeds

There are friends whose posts I’ll never see if I don’t remember to go look on their profiles, and than there’s tons of posts from people I don’t follow that’s gets shoved in my feed

Just yesterday my mom was complaining she never sees my photos unless she goes to my profile too

I just want an instagram-like with a simple chronological feed where we see the posts from who we follow, but we just cant have that anymore

edit: I’m not even complaining about seeing 2 repetitive ads for every 2 posts, I could live with that if they just had gave us a simple chronological feed by default again

Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 12:12 on May 2, 2024

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

The AI recommendation system would explain why so many people are complaining their Facebook feeds have recently turned into a stream of unsolicited hot garbage. Facebook had a working product, but they had to Zuck with it.

Sure, but it has been a stream of unsolicited hot garbage for a decade.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Elias_Maluco posted:

Instagram is ok if you like sharing pictures and seeing other people’s photos, what is bad about it is how much they control what people see on their feeds

There are friends whose posts I’ll never see if I don’t remember to go look on their profiles, and than there’s tons of posts from people I don’t follow that’s gets shoved in my feed

Just yesterday my mom was complaining she never sees my photos unless she goes to my profile too

I just want an instagram-like with a simple chronological feed where we see the posts from who we follow, but we just cant have that anymore

Insta is literally one of the worse for young people thanks to 'influencers'. It shoulda been taken down long before TikTok

Jesus III
May 23, 2007

Elias_Maluco posted:

Instagram is ok if you like sharing pictures and seeing other people’s photos, what is bad about it is how much they control what people see on their feeds

There are friends whose posts I’ll never see if I don’t remember to go look on their profiles, and than there’s tons of posts from people I don’t follow that’s gets shoved in my feed

Just yesterday my mom was complaining she never sees my photos unless she goes to my profile too

I just want an instagram-like with a simple chronological feed where we see the posts from who we follow, but we just cant have that anymore

edit: I’m not even complaining about seeing 2 repetitive ads for every 2 posts, I could live with that if they just had gave us a simple chronological feed by default again

Yes, that, with no ability to comment. Emojis are fine.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Humphreys posted:

Insta is literally one of the worse for young people thanks to 'influencers'. It shoulda been taken down long before TikTok

I suppose it’s true, but i’m 43 and I never got into “influencer “ culture and so instagram for me is still for it’s original purpose: photography

But yeah, even I get a lot of that poo poo in my feed nowadays even thought I never followed a single influencer or anything like that

edit: vvvv I also get a lot of animals and nature photography, which are my interests there, but than I also get a lot of poo poo I never wanted. But what is worst is that I don’t see posts from a lot of people I follow and they often don’t see my posts either

Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 12:22 on May 2, 2024

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
My Instagram feed is cooking recipes, cats, plants, and tattoos.

It works for me :shrug:

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Jesus III posted:

We should all quit social media. It's cancer. I find Instagram the least obnoxious, but I'm thinking of quitting even it.

Instagram was the first thing I quit because I hate using a mobile phone and instagram is so mobile focused it didn't work properly on a desktop. So I just stopped using it.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

Elias_Maluco posted:

I suppose it’s true, but i’m 43 and I never got into “influencer “ culture and so instagram for me is still for it’s original purpose: photography

But yeah, even I get a lot of that poo poo in my feed nowadays even thought I never followed a single influencer or anything like that

edit: vvvv I also get a lot of animals and nature photography, which are my interests there, but than I also get a lot of poo poo I never wanted. But what is worst is that I don’t see posts from a lot of people I follow and they often don’t see my posts either

I don't know if it helps or if it's proper/ethical but I report every suggested ad or account that I don't want to ever show up again as some kind of sexual abuse :shrug: I figured that's the ultimate "remove this from my account" flag.

Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

https://about.instagram.com/blog/announcements/favorites-and-following

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



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NEW! - The way it worked before we started loving with it

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
I am confused by the difference between "accounts you follow" and "accounts you care about"; is the latter actually "the accounts our heuristics think you may want to see?"

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Im aware of that but you have to manually switch to it every time you open the drat thing and also most people don't use it or even know if exists, so it don't really solves the problem

kliras
Mar 27, 2021

OddObserver posted:

I am confused by the difference between "accounts you follow" and "accounts you care about"; is the latter actually "the accounts our heuristics think you may want to see?"
sounds like twitter's notification feed when you've +'d to receive push notifications for certain accounts

mostly for celebrities and time-sensitive things i'm assuming

Jasper Tin Neck
Nov 14, 2008


"Scientifically proven, rich and creamy."

Volmarias posted:

Sure, but it has been a stream of unsolicited hot garbage for a decade.

It used to depend on how much your friends sucked. Then a few months ago there was a massive uptick in pure algorithmic pig feed, like:

  • Far side and Peanuts comics from a million different fan groups
  • Superhero page rips from a gazillion different fan groups.
  • so god drat many Brutus and Pixie "fan groups" that just repost inane memes.
  • memes by "[thing] shitposting/memes" groups. I don't give a poo poo about DnD, trucks, fishing, baseball, Community, Disco Elysium, The Office, crypto or Overwatch or horses.
  • variations of "smol tiddy goth gf" pages posting vaguely uplifting memes. These all have anime avatars and claim to be run by queer people with mental health issues and are always weirdly horny.
  • Fascism.
  • Posts from what appear to be completely random people making public posts about their dog or aunt's mashed potatoes recipe or something.

I found a menu option to "filter low quality content," which improved things a bit, but now the garbage is taking over again.

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
lol that there needs to be a literal menu option for "filter low quality content", and that it doesn't even work.

That's your 10 year late message to delete your Facebook account by the way.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
There's an option to see a feed that's just what your friends post in chronological order. It's hidden under the "feeds" tab and there's no way to make it your normal homepage, but you can bookmark it for easy access if you still know people who actually post on Facebook. At this point for me it's just a random assortment of aunts and cousins I barely know because nobody else uses it.

Chronojam
Feb 20, 2006

This is me on vacation in Amsterdam :)
Never be afraid of being yourself!


TACD posted:

Remembering how Nineteen Eighty-Four described machines writing books and TV shows of content slurry to sate the masses, it’s really inspiring how close we are to fully realising Orwell’s vision :blessed:

We did it, we built the torment nexus

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

TACD posted:

Remembering how Nineteen Eighty-Four described machines writing books and TV shows of content slurry to sate the masses, it’s really inspiring how close we are to fully realising Orwell’s vision :blessed:

Omnipresent surveillance devices, and cameras in my TV? loving lmao. Okay, bro, whatever. :rolleyes:

Jesus III
May 23, 2007
I'm always amazed at the way real life imitates Dick Tracy (the movie)

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Good article I read that belongs here talking about how tech makes most of us basically on call all the time

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/02/opinions/right-to-disconnect-laws-schulte/index.html

quote:

“Right to disconnect” laws are forcing us to confront the right questions: Why are we working all the time, or feel that we should be? Why does work-life balance feel so elusive? These are exactly the conversations we need to be having.

But right to disconnect laws, while a start, aren’t the only answers we need.

These laws began appearing in the 21st century as some workers, employers and policymakers saw how technology — ostensibly designed to make our lives easier — was, along with its benefits, creating toxic “constant connectivity.” Research found that even the thought that you might get a late-night email from the boss was the source of high anxiety, forcing the brain into a hyper-vigilant mode, unable to detach and rest.

...He could have added, “and stop the practice of what we would otherwise call wage theft” — making ourselves available to work beyond our contracted hours without compensation.

But a work culture that implicitly expects all-hours work devotion, and leaders who never take vacations or send late night and weekend communication, even if they say not to respond, makes it difficult for individuals to do anything other than conform. Otherwise, they could risk being seen as not committed, passed over for promotion or worse, let go.


I've basically refused to engage with work poo poo on my off hours and haven't suffered consequences so far but, honestly, I think it even extends beyond work.

Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

Yeah it's bosses that make people be on call all the time, you can always turn off notifications

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

BiggerBoat posted:

Good article I read that belongs here talking about how tech makes most of us basically on call all the time

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/02/opinions/right-to-disconnect-laws-schulte/index.html

I've basically refused to engage with work poo poo on my off hours and haven't suffered consequences so far but, honestly, I think it even extends beyond work.

Plenty of places in Europe have pretty strict laws/labour rights to prevent exactly this, its a very American idea that workers need to respond to their bosses outside of work hours.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Ruffian Price posted:

Yeah it's bosses that make people be on call all the time, you can always turn off notifications

Well, sure, but I know first hand that this can cost certain people their jobs and that they are expected to basically be on call. Seems pretty clear to me?

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Ruffian Price posted:

Yeah it's bosses that make people be on call all the time, you can always turn off notifications

Yes, it's bosses, not employees. There's always the lingering thought of "If I don't respond tonight, will that come back to bite me come review time? Will this affect my raise?" You can blame it on a company's culture in general, sure, but in this instance it comes from the top.

Zerbin7
Oct 15, 2014

It's a living.
Is the percentage of workers with high pressure desk jobs really so high?

Maybe it's just me, but professionally most of the members of my family work/have worked in retail, service, or service adjacent positions. The issue of "technostress" has literally never come up, except in the general "Can you come in to work today?" kind of way, and because of this it was common practice to let all calls go to voicemail while off the clock, and then pretend that you didn't receive the message until after it was too late to be acted upon. Everybody, including management, knew what was up, but it seemed to be commonly agreed that "extra work is EXTRA".

The problem sounds a bit overstated, but it could just be that I'm blind to the issue. "Where you stand on an issue often depends on where you sit" and such.

Zerbin7 fucked around with this message at 14:28 on May 3, 2024

Jasper Tin Neck
Nov 14, 2008


"Scientifically proven, rich and creamy."

Ruffian Price posted:

Yeah it's bosses that make people be on call all the time, you can always turn off notifications
It's not even really even about bosses any more than it's about technology, it all comes down to labour laws:

Blut posted:

Plenty of places in Europe have pretty strict laws/labour rights to prevent exactly this, its a very American idea that workers need to respond to their bosses outside of work hours.

Not just America, significant parts of East Asia work the same way. At-will employment creates an environment where exploitation of employees comes with no consequences.

In contrast, in large parts of Europe, labour union lawyers will indeed take you to the cleaners if you fire someone for not responding to your emails on Sunday, unless explicitly agreed upon.

Rocko Bonaparte
Mar 12, 2002

Every day is Friday!

Zerbin7 posted:

Is the percentage of workers with high pressure desk jobs really so high?


I would put the pressure as very synthetic. The labor laws let horrible people be horrible. Like, say, an organization will have people work over the holidays if there is something very important with it. A shithead boss will then try to make their projects look important by having people work on it over the holidays.

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Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

BiggerBoat posted:

Good article I read that belongs here talking about how tech makes most of us basically on call all the time

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/02/opinions/right-to-disconnect-laws-schulte/index.html

I've basically refused to engage with work poo poo on my off hours and haven't suffered consequences so far but, honestly, I think it even extends beyond work.

I think "most of us" is overselling it a fair bit. What you're describing here largely concerns office workers and people who already work at home. Which covers a significant portion of the American workforce, sure, but not anywhere near all of it. Indeed, the article calls that out extensively, to the point where I think maybe you might have missed the actual point of the article.

quote:

But here’s what doesn’t work: Most right to disconnect laws, including the California proposal, are typically aimed at “knowledge” workers — people who typically hold high-paying desk jobs in front of computers. The hourly, service and low-wage workers who, as of 2020, make up 44% of the workforce may appreciate not having to answer a text from the boss, but their real struggle is with low pay, too few hours, chaotic schedules and the expectation of unlimited availability. They often have no control over their time.

Right to disconnect laws don’t ensure stable schedules. They don’t require shorter work hours, which is a problem in the United States. Unlike in many other advanced countries, there is virtually no legal limit to the number of hours some salaried workers can work in the US, and no legally-guaranteed paid time off for any worker. (A 1938 law mandates overtime pay for hourly workers putting in more than 40 hours a week, though the Biden administration is seeking to extend overtime to salaried workers in non-supervisory positions earning about $58,600 a year or less.)

Nixon, Harvey-Wingfield and I had the choice to work and answer emails during non-work hours, and the flexibility and power to take our personal time back later. Most of these workers don’t have that option.

quote:

Yes, we workers need to learn to set better boundaries with our technology.

But we also need good jobs that support employees with living wages, reasonable hours and schedule control. We need the US Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) to regulate work stress, the way EU OSHA does, and go after companies that demand long, inflexible work hours that extend into private time — what economist Claudia Goldin has dubbed “greedy work.”

We need visionary leaders who create positive work cultures that promote human well-being, rest, disconnection and effective work. We need them to think beyond the narrow horizon of next quarter’s profits.

We need fewer layoffs and better strategies than the “lean efficiency” that leaves too few overloaded workers to do too much. We need laws that give workers more say and power and enable them to organize to demand better.

And we need to join other advanced nations, finally, and pass public policies that support the humanity of workers, like paid family and medical leave, paid sick leave, paid vacation and investment in a robust care. We need a functioning unemployment system and safety net that can bounce someone to the next, better thing.

Turning off work shouldn’t be the brazen act of resistance or existential threat it’s become. We need work to help furnish us with our daily bread and sense of purpose. But we also need to reclaim our time for leisure and the joy of simply being alive. Fewer emails would also be nice.

Honestly, I kind of feel like the point the article is really getting at is that office workers should have some labor solidarity and worry about the problems of low-wage workers in fields like customer service or manual labor, rather than laser-focusing specifically on the problems that affect them personally. It's talking about right to disconnect as a lead-in, pretending to be focused on the problems of office workers in order to convince the office workers that they should fight for general labor reforms for everyone and not just "right to disconnect" laws that only benefit themselves.

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