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Motto
Aug 3, 2013

Tarranon posted:

i suspect the whole american preoccupation with hyper focusing on the kinkier poo poo Japan does is based at least in part on orientalism.

I think another part is how anime was and still is brought over. I wasn't into anime back then, but back in the VHS days I get the impression there was a time when some companies really focused on bringing over sexviolence stuff to sell purely on the novelty of being sexviolence cartoons. skip forward to the digital age, and everything that gets scanned or uploaded generally gets grouped together in the same places. so while some porny show or comic might be relegated to a midnight slot, an obscure magazine, or a doujin work in japan, here it's all grouped together on the same anime/manga sites, unofficial and even official to an extent.

Motto fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Feb 8, 2016

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Aug 3, 2013

DrSunshine posted:

Thing is, though, it's always going to be on the sidelines. Even in Japan, the place where this kind of stuff originates, if you talk to the average person on the street - "Do you know about anime?" - they'll reply either "Oh, like Doraemon or Pokemon? I used to watch that when I was little!" or "It's something for otaku/freaks/perverts". I'm sure there's all sorts of sociological, cultural, and historical reasons for why this is, but just offhandedly, I would suspect that it's because by and large there's two types of anime out there: 1) Childrens' cartoons and 2) shows for perverts. Shows that fall in between those are few and far between.

But mangs tho

e: I don't think that dichotomy bears out, but it depends on how broad the "for perverts" market is in your mind.

Motto fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Feb 8, 2016

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

On SA I think it's internet olds continuing to play into stuff they used to say to make fun of japanophiles. Much of this site is basically an internet nursing home.

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

Endorph posted:

maybe... anime fans are just normal people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7neGRLjA3I

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

Silver2195 posted:

I admit I don't talk much about anime and manga with people in real life, but I got the impression that the anti-anime/manga backlash was almost exclusive to Something Awful.

it's fairly common in my experience, but outside of SA it usually comes as part of the general mindset that believes all media has gotten worse since the speaker was a child.

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

I'd say there's a good degree of artsy/indie stuff when you factor in manga

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

Endorph posted:

it's probably just a matter of accessbility. You can stream a lot of anime on crunchy or whatever for free, but you need a sub just to read shonen jump, and most manga released in the US is years after it was released in japan. Not to mention it's easier to just grab a $50 boxset than it is to buy 17 volumes

it's a real shame on a number of levels

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

Gyra_Solune posted:


in the future things will operate on a kickstarter style, where the audience chooses what gets funded or not - this will tend to lead to way way less anime (and by extension most other media) actually getting produced, but what does end up funded will hopefully be much higher quality

that sounds awful tbh

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

icantfindaname posted:

and the anime industry makes valkyrie drive and LN shows. i'd rather watch the superhero shows than that

I'd rather watch LN anime like humanity has declined and spice & wolf than agents of shield or w/e

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

My Anime Experience:

I snapbuilt a few gunpla after watching Build Fighters and my dad thought that was pretty neat. After one college class period I ran into a whole crowd of people talking about SAO, and my first-year doormmates and neighbors watched a few anime on netflix.

So I suppose in my experience it's been treated like any other hobby or interest? Honestly film has done more "damage" on a social level for me, but that's because my dad's a huge softie that can't handle R action movies.

e: the only person to make anything of it or any of my other interests was myself back when I was an overly-conscious teen who took poo poo on the 'net too seriously

Motto fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Feb 9, 2016

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

I have good word that there's never been a titty on tumblr, no sir.

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Aug 3, 2013

Silver2195 posted:

Tumblr loves anime, though.

Social media sites are comprised of millions of people, and I'm better than all of them.

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