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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Brannock posted:

86/300 reporting

Trump, Donald GOP 23,401 34%
Kasich, John GOP 10,618 15%
Bush, Jeb GOP 7,971 12%
Cruz, Ted GOP 7,968 12%
Rubio, Marco GOP 7,132 10%
Christie, Chris GOP 5,720 8%
Fiorina, Carly GOP 3,019 4%
Carson, Ben GOP 1,546 2%

Jeb! did it, he finally won the bronze medal

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

BGrifter posted:

Poor guy needs a Big Mac. Vegetables are killing him. :smith:

Bill's official biographer saw him on the campaign trail last night and said he didn't recognize him.

He said bill looked drained, unmotivated and was missing the public speaking ability he displayed in his prime.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Yudo posted:

I mean, OP had a point: the man was fueled by McDonalds and lard. And sexual harassment.

lol

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


At last FEC count Jeb! had 50 million PAC and 7.5 million in internal money.

So he blew more than half of the remaining money on the NH race alone.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

But Rocks Hurt Head posted:

Holy gently caress I want that SuperBernie shirt

There's even bernie fashion for the ladies

https://twitter.com/emrata/status/696815874460651522

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Brannock posted:

"leftists" arguing that unemployment is Actually only 5% simply because it came from BadMan :smh:

U6 unemployment is much higher.

Also thanks to the 2008 recession new grads can't find jobs in their field and many older workers are also underemployed.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

BUG JUG posted:

god i hate ohio.

On the flip side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy3POGnetfE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNJjv2AEAS8

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Brannock posted:

I don't care about Obama man. He was a colossal loving disappointment and, speaking of reasons that voters are coming out in droves to support outsider candidates, there's one. We were promised hope and change and we got a gentle, caressing blowjob to the insurance industry instead. People are only barely better off today than they were before 2008. Obama's been trying to spin it as a supreme success but the only success has been for the bankers who've benefited hugely from the economic crash that they caused

Almost the entire 'economic recovery' have gone to the bankers and other financiers

At least with Bernie you have 25+ years of voting record and speeches to show that he's consistent in his beliefs.

Bernie is a thermostat not a thermometer like Hillary.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

mannerup posted:

who will christie endorse when he drops out?
the Jersey Mike's Big Kahuna sub

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

homeless poster posted:

i really want carson to keep the grift rolling right up to super tuesday, regardless of how poorly he does in the actual primary process. stay in it for the long money, friend ben!

I want more Dr Benzo murder spree stories.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

mr whistler posted:

I was a huge o-bot in 2008 and I get where the feel the Bern is coming from. On the other hand, I get a lot of what Hillary is saying. One thing about the last years that we've learned is that change is hard. Entrenched interests are extremely difficult to root out, even with an overwhelming majority.

Hillary's basic platform is to move toward progressivism by snatching tactical wins when you can get them (I'm sure her critics would say she doesn't even try since she's so captured by special interests, which I feel like is at least 50% unfair). Bern's is sweeping change. I no longer think sweeping change is possible given how deeply entrenched special interests are and reactionary the American public is, though I wish I were wrong.

Given what a half a loaf middle of the road policy Obamacare is, the ferocious reaction to it is my guide to how badly Bern would get, well, burned, by modern politics should he actually try the things he is proposing.

You can't circle the wagons and rely on incrementalism to bring relief to millions of americans which don't have medical care and are having to work multiple jobs to make ends meet.

Bernie will do in office to the best of his ability what Obama promised on the 2008 campaign trail

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

mr whistler posted:

Obama had a majority in the house, 60 votes in the senate and the best he could do was a lovely version of Hillary's 2008 health care plan (lol thanks Joe Loserman). I'm all for single payer (lived in Canada and the UK, it's clearly better) but I really don't see any clear pathway to get there. There's just no way the Democrats recapture the House in 2016. Maybe a decent shot at getting a majority in the Senate but no way they get back to 60 votes.

Realistically, to me, the next Democratic president will have veto power and executive order power. Nothing that they propose will actually get enacted into legislation. I feel Clinton is more realistic about this than most Bern supporters.

Realistic in that she will cut lots of deals with the republicans in exchange for entitlement reforms if she gets elected.

She's so practical and realistic after all.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

wow rude posted:

It doesn't matter to me that I won't get free tuition, personally, if it means that everybody else after me doesn't have to experience the burden of student loan debt.

It's about free future generations from the shitiness of yooge education loans.

Even state schools have gotten pretty expensive due to factor such as underfunding by the state government.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Hey everyone I voted Obama who ended being a corporation friendly centrist in office who gave wall street 15 trillion dollars in aid packages after they destroyed the economy.

To make up for this I will be voting for Hillary in the primary.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

She doesn't even have any detailed promises on how to improve Obamacare.

Just how she wants to slightly decrease premiums and find some way to make big pharma provide cheaper medicine.

Even though she took 14 million dollars from big pharma over the years.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

oystertoadfish posted:

yeah this is another example of someone coming up with a better narrative explanation of my argument than i could

my thinking in general is that while personally, if i was creating the entire electorate and election cycle in my head, bernie sanders would lose the general election to a more socialist candidate, i worry that the real electorate is creepy and banally evil and would actually, literally choose trump over sanders while being willing to take clinton over trump. in other words, i'm worried about letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. i can never figure out which side of my thinking is more fevered and illogical than the other

A boorish one trick Oompa Loompa will be no match for the Muad'dib of Socialism.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

rscott posted:

Bernie Sanders shooting baskets is on sports center :3:

Fox News joked that he is better at basketball than Obama

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Well if anything Bernie is giving Hillary's campaign a good shakedown cruise

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Sucrose posted:

Is the New Hampshire primary winner take all?

Only if a candidate breaks 85% which is pretty hard to do.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Microwaves Mom posted:

Man people must have been so sick of Cruz's bullshit 30 minute victory speech that some guy I haven't heard of passed him by. Jeb! was like 4k shy of third holy poo poo.

Cruz spent barely any money in the NH race

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Abel Wingnut posted:

so is there any way trump loses sc?

I don't see way for him to lose, his opposition is really divided and his double digit polling gives him a big lead even with the margin of error/

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


Yes this is good news for Hillary.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

SavageBastard posted:

Most of the cool kids (myself included) stay "unaffiliated" to rebel against the party label and then also have the option of voting wherever the fun is. A large portion of those "independents" are consistent Dems or Repub voters when it counts.

It's all driven by how NH has a open primary process

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

MMM Whatchya Say posted:

Why is Clinton (expected to be) so popular with minorities?

I'm not American so I'm just trying to wrap my head around it.

Because the Clintons have name recognition but hosed over the black community in the 90s by pushing tough on crime policies and social safety net reform deals.

I would recommend people check out the book The New Jim Crow:
http://newjimcrow.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om2hx6Xm2JE

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Thanks to the weakness of the DNC they already have a all republican government in the state and local government side.

This republican dominated stave governments have hosed black communities over in places like Flint or pushed more Clintonian welfare reforms such as the drug testing requirement in Florida.

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Thump! posted:

Because a lot of Americans have a huge boner for punishing undesirables, unfortunately.

Bernie had a forum on criminal justice reform and it was great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBkafx9HMc

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