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Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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I've always wanted to get into Hitman, so I finally grabbed Blood Money.

Holy gently caress, is this hard. Spent two hours on the first level (A Vintage Year) and still don't really have a solid plan to make the hits. I have managed a fairly reliable ingress (immediately head around the back of the compound, take out the one guard, wear his clothes down to the docks, distract the chemist to the side so I can take his outfit, head up the elevator) but then after that, even if I manage to get a VIP guard's outfit (which I'm only about 30% successful in doing), I still am mostly locked out of the top levels of the mansion. I did notice the setpiece for killing the son (pulley holding up a set of barrels) but I'm not sure how I'm meant to be in the area to see where he's standing, and pull it off while not getting found out. The idea that it's possible to get a Silent Assassin rating on this level is already confounding me. It's great.

I'm not sure I want any help (try and stay spoiler-free if you do reply) but I'm already in love with this poo poo.

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Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Mierenneuker posted:

One of the rooms in the mansion has a bedroom with a VIP guard outfit laying around.

Oh nice. I kept trying to take one from the VIP guard by the seaplane but there are too many people heading in and out of there and no good place to dump the body. I thought I should be able to push corpses into the water, maybe I just wasn't lined up properly.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Apparently finishing the first mission took me five real-time hours. Not perfect, but I'm so insanely proud of this. Lost 5k because I didn't go back and grab my suit, but I gotta think about how that's going to work NO ONE SAY ANYTHING

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Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Is there a place to find good, unique, interesting runs of missions? I want to see how other people did World of Tomorrow, but all youtube shows me is SA/No Suit/360 No scope tedium.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Nakar posted:

Why do you find Suit Only tedious, anyway? Or is it strictly the wacky game breaking physics speedrun stuff?

I'm less interested in watching a perfectly clean, well-rehearsed professional takedown than crazy, arbitrary attempts that show off the player's ability to improvise and react to situations gone wrong.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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I'm curious why a stealth game provides so many loud, conspicuous weapons as rewards. All of these pistols and automatics look great but is there a real purpose for them? Or are they just for goofing around?

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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I really don't like Colorado. It's very clearly designed to make the average player rethink their approach: 100% hostile, wide, flat level with little cover and few places to toss bodies. I spent three hours in one go working through it, got to mastery level 9, and now I think I'll just move on to Hokkaido. I feel no desire to try and master it.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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qbert posted:

I would at least keep playing to unlock the concealable baton and the disposable scrambler. The scrambler in particular is super useful for a lot of challenges and escalations where you can't be bothered to find/steal a keycard you need.

Oh good to know, I was wondering how I'd get access to a scrambler. Thanks!

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Apropos of nothing, I was incredibly disappointed to find I couldn't take Jordan Cross' USB drive and plug it into the recording studio's sound system so everyone could hear it.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Bangkok bothers me because of the layout of the hotel. The adjoining roof feels like it could be so much better designed/accessible. As it is, 90% of the time I'm running up one tower, then down, then across, then up, over and over again.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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I just went through the whole thread and realized that since I just got started playing and never did any ETs, I'll never get any of the cool suit unlocks. I'm sad.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Well, just started taking the professional mode for Paris. Jesus. I don't know if I can manage any of this. Too many camera, none of the items are where I expect them... gently caress. Let's dig in, I guess.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Yeah. And I've never played with instinct before, so I'm turning that on to give me a fighting chance.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Antares posted:

for paris in particular, it's really easy to just take out the surveillance system right away. through the front door, enter the basement on left side of the stairs, pop the camera at the bottom of the stairwell (no one investigates), take out the designer pathing past. security room is on your left, take out the camera and run to the farther door, open it and shoot the recorder as soon as no one can see you. takes like 30 seconds and then you can do whatever you want.

I've gotten the bartender start so it's even faster, but yeah. When I realized I could knock out the system with a silenced pistol shot I was ecstatic.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Jerusalem posted:

My winter coat, forever denied to me... :cripes:

I don't even want to talk about it. I've never given a poo poo about my appearance in games. But that coat...

EDIT: Oh wait oh oh I had questions.

I want to understand SASOs. If I get 'Unconscious Witness', and I stow them somewhere, does that still count as SA? What about if I arouse suspicion, or have to be escorted out of an area? I'm sure these aren't "stealthy" runs but it's not clear to me what counts in terms of the achievement.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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But you can knock someone else undetected and stash them, right? That's okay for SA?

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Apparently I just SASO'd Paris despite killing the targets with a chandelier and having their bodies found?

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Ohh right. It's such a pain to remember how all of the different rules stack. But awesome. My first Pro SASO. I feel so much more confident in my abilities :-)

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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My first Sapienza SASO. I have such a newfound appreciation for Villa Caruso after this. Didn't go into town once.

Catalyst-proof fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jul 23, 2017

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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I loving tried for three or four hours and I couldn't make any headway. I must be the world's biggest idiot.

I knew that the French guy wanted to find a fortune teller, so I took over the fortune teller, and I brought him in, turned up the fog machine and killed him and got documents. I also got the walkie-talkie from Kong's bodyguard. And I managed to get into the party, and I took out Kong, but he didn't have anything. So I was basically at a loss. Guess I'll read through the thread and see what I was supposed to do. I never even saw Giggles.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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StashAugustine posted:

Lol you played the actual mission not the elusive target. The ET takes place on the same map but adds a couple NPCs, you're not supposed to kill the original targets. Look for ET: The Entertainer on the menu


e: looks like time expired on the ET :(

I definitely clicked on the ET on the menu. I even got the little movie about Giggles. And when I started the mission, I got the same spiel every time about looking for a heightened security presence and all that.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Ohhhh I get it. Those guys are part of some other night mission, and the ET takes place in the same level. Jesus. I haven't done any of the night missions like the Icon. Guess I'll get on that.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Uh, holy poo poo. That is a ton of changes. This is amazing and I am happily pulling the trigger on this.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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I have to say; I hate Colorado, but it's impeccably well designed. It perfectly takes all the lessons you've been learning so far and turns them all upside-down. All uniforms look very much the same so it's hard to tell them apart, and no one outfit gets you everywhere. There are little wind sounds that imitate the NPC attention warning. It's a huge open space, patrols take forever, there's less places to stash people, and quest items are scattered all over, making it hard to accomplish everything successfully.

Incredibly well designed.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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It looks like you get special items from escalations sometimes. I thought that just getting 20/20 on normal difficulty in each level would give you everything. What are the best escalations to play to get the best items?

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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God-loving-damnit. I was this close to a SASO with the Black Hat. But I had Whitecap throwing up in the bucket and still had my fiber wire out, so I garroted him by accident. gently caress!

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Jerusalem posted:

drat, wish I'd thought of that, I ended up screwing up at the last second and only getting the kill completed but no SA.

I dropped the chandelier on his head in the lawyer's office, but when I left I was gonna shimmy down the pipe except the trust fund kid was in the office and somebody in there started to notice in me (another bodyguard?). So I went down to the ground floor but forgot the bodyguard down there, and rather than do the smart thing and coin him away, I tried to go through the cafe and got spotted JUST as I stepped past the counter. They didn't suspect me, but they'd noticed me. Bugger.

Oh well, at least I already got the 13 SAs done before this.

Yeah, this is exactly what happened to me. Getting caught trespassing is enough to invalidate the SA, apparently? Damnit.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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I’m starting to really appreciate Hokkaido. There’s all kinds of subtle things that adds to its complexity. The security system built into outfits that requires you to pay close attention to the symbols by each door, the samey-ness of corridors and areas to make it easier to lose your way, the positioning of witnesses down long hallways. I like it.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

better waste some time with you
And I just SASO’d it. That was really fast compared to getting the timing and everything right for my Sapienza attempt. But yay! Only Marrakesh, Colorado, and Bangkok to go for SASOs.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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StashAugustine posted:

How awful is it to get the fixer when he's in the embassy? Taking him out in the market feels a little risky, I don't really like breaching/explosive kills

If you’re talking about the guy with the hat and the sweater around his neck, there’s a small doored alcove next to the snail vendors I lured him into.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Hitman 2 announced at E3. No joke.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Suitcase weapons, hiding in crowds.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Gonna start hitman 2 and immediately turn on the timer and turn off opportunities and detective vision. If you use those things you’re just not the caliber of assassin the ICA needs.

Joking. Mostly.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Nakar posted:

I go loud on Colorado Professional and I've beaten that several times. :smug:

The trick is really just to channel as many people as possible into the house and camp Sean Rose's room with one of the semi-auto ARs, refreshing your ammo from the fallen. Other maps you're more reliant on the pistol because most guards drop handgun ammo, though the existence of the Striker now makes that not a big deal considering that thing can take someone's head off at render range. You could probably kill most of Sapienza from the roof of the mansion and it'd take guards an eternity to path up through the attic.

Yeah. Colorado professional is a really fun level to go loud in. Good chokepoints also include the bathroom near the point man and the upper level of the barn.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Pilchenstein posted:

There are about four different security stations in Sapienza, so if speed isn't a concern you could go bust up the one in the clock tower (which is pretty easy to get to in a suit) and then go do the objectives.

If it's in professional mode that may not necessarily take out the right camera system, though, right?

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Master without the map HUD is the only way to play.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Should I just rush through each level with opportunities on to grab as much XP and learn as much as I can before going in with more refined approaches? Or should I keep all of that poo poo off and force myself to make it through trial and error and actually listening to people and observing things. I also want to just get through as quickly as possible so I can watch all the cinematics so they don't get spoiled for me.

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Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

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Even in professional it’s way too easy to start a brand new level and just let bloody improvisation take you all over, instead of being careful and considered. It feels like cheating in some weird way :colbert:

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