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Ughhh...I love this show, but I haven't been impressed with it for the last couple weeks. While her piece on Obama's deportation policy was fair, it seemed kind of, uh, illy-timed. I mean, the Obama White House deserves criticism in that regard, but with a week left, before President Mexiphobe comes in? And the segment tonight on how awesome Kellyanne Conway is turned my stomach. No, Conway is not a genius. You can see that by the way she flails at answering questions. Political reporters are just really, really loving stupid. So stupid, in fact, that someone as dumb as Conway can play them. Majorian fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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I sensed a hint of sarcasm in that segment.
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haveblue posted:I sensed a hint of sarcasm in that segment. Bee's sarcasm doesn't really strike me as subtle. Haven't seen the episode yet, though.
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Drifter posted:Bee's sarcasm doesn't really strike me as subtle. Haven't seen the episode yet, though. It's not subtle at all, the segment is highly critical of Conway and makes a point of how interviewers just let her get away with blatantly not answering questions.
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Tiggum posted:It's not subtle at all, the segment is highly critical of Conway and makes a point of how interviewers just let her get away with blatantly not answering questions. Yeah, I don't know how anyone can watch that segment and have the takeaway that the 'Conway is awesome.' Sam slammed the hell out of her for evading questions and complete flipping on her earlier narrative. She did say that she did a great job of getting the walking Cheeto elected and that she should have instead used that energy for a bid herself, but that's damning praise at best.
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bull3964 posted:Yeah, I don't know how anyone can watch that segment and have the takeaway that the 'Conway is awesome.' Sam slammed the hell out of her for evading questions and complete flipping on her earlier narrative. She did say that she did a great job of getting the walking Cheeto elected and that she should have instead used that energy for a bid herself, but that's damning praise at best. My point is, that faint praise is still 100% too much praise. I'm tired of the narrative that Conway is a good campaign strategist, because she really isn't. Trump's win was pretty independent of Conway, IMO. I wasn't suggesting that Bee said Conway is a good person, in other words. I just don't buy that Conway is particularly good at her job, either.
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Majorian posted:My point is, that faint praise is still 100% too much praise. I'm tired of the narrative that Conway is a good campaign strategist, because she really isn't. Trump's win was pretty independent of Conway, IMO. Was his win? Why do you say that? What was she not involved with?
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Drifter posted:What was she not involved with? She wasn't involved with the Clinton campaign staff having their heads so far up their own asses that they thought they were playing 3D chess by not campaigning in the Rustbelt states they ended up losing.
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Conway does have well honed "I know you are but what am I?" skills. That seems to be her main strategy.
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She's mastered the art of telling a lie that's juuuuuuuust close enough to a meaningless truth/nonsense that you and she clearly know its bullshit but she'll never admit it. She just sits there saying more nonsense until her interviewer either lose their cool or just give up. I kind of want to see her set on fire on live TV. She's not smart or clever. She's just a shameless and coy liar.
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STAC Goat posted:She's mastered the art of telling a lie that's juuuuuuuust close enough to a meaningless truth/nonsense that you and she clearly know its bullshit but she'll never admit it. She just sits there saying more nonsense until her interviewer either lose their cool or just give up. We really have no way of quantifying crowds, don'cha know? I don't know how to define Conway, but a weird amalgamation of Palin, Bachmann, and Coulter seems right.
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The way I see it, Kellyanne Conway took the art of the spin doctor one step beyond Paul Begala and James Carville by avoiding outright lying. If a reporter tries to pin her down with a question where the truth would make her candidate look bad, instead of telling the lie, she'll twist the question and either answer a related question or attack the reporter for the premise of the question. It's an amazing ju-jitsu that's probably a lot harder than she makes it look, and she definitely has no problem whatsoever using it in the name of evil. Pretty sure she won't be ending up in The Good Place.
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I started listening to Sam Bee's book and wow there's a lot of pedophiles in canada apparently. Never go anywhere with a canadian man that offers you pizza.
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Majorian posted:While her piece on Obama's deportation policy was fair, it seemed kind of, uh, illy-timed. I mean, the Obama White House deserves criticism in that regard, but with a week left, before President Mexiphobe comes in? Majorian posted:My point is, that faint praise is still 100% too much praise. I'm tired of the narrative that Conway is a good campaign strategist, because she really isn't. Trump's win was pretty independent of Conway, IMO. It's a comedy show (I know, I know) and it's all fair game. They shouldn't be going over every line of their pieces worried that people will misconstrue them as scoring points for The Other Guy or that they're misshaping the media narrative. That's not their burden, and don't put it on them. Both Bee and JOliver are foremost there to provide comedy and while they also hit you with fact-based, comedy-slanted mini-documentaries where they visit Syrian refugees - it's up to the actual news to provide journalism and not mishandle the narrative, even if they're failing at it miserably. I could add caveats and clarifications to this originally small post all day, but to try and put it clearly: the comedians can provide useful information, but they don't shape elections and expecting them to do things like not criticise Hilary Clinton during an election because people are scared their jokes will tip all the undecideds into the Trump camp - is very unfair and bad.
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Sam Bee is a bougouise segregationist and thus is enemy of all mankind
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VagueRant posted:I think you should stop worrying about the optics and "the narrative" so much, dude. None of it matters. Bear in mind, you're saying this to someone who expressed an offhand opinion on an online message board. It's not like I'm trying to get a "#boycottSamBee" thing started. quote:They shouldn't be going over every line of their pieces worried that people will misconstrue them as scoring points for The Other Guy or that they're misshaping the media narrative. Nor did I suggest that they were. I was complaining about a broader part of the narrative that a lot of people were doing before Sam Bee, and a lot of people have done since that piece came out. It annoys me that people think Conway is some sort of brilliant political mastermind, because she's pretty clearly not. I wish Bee's show wouldn't reinforce that, but it's not like it's a make-or-break thing for me liking her show; I'm still gonna watch it, and I don't think that bit is going to have a major effect on the overall narrative one way or the other. I just didn't like the bit. That's all I'm saying. e: Now THIS is a drat good episode. Powerful segment on refugees. Majorian fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Just quickly, I can see how some might consider Bernie to be a fame whore, but why is he a mansplaining prick? Not saying she's wrong, I just don't know.
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Igiari posted:Just quickly, I can see how some might consider Bernie to be a fame whore, but why is he a mansplaining prick? Not saying she's wrong, I just don't know. If I remember correctly, there was something about Bernie wagging his finger in Hillary's face during the primary debates, or interrupting her, or something along those lines that earned him the hatred of feminists everywhere. That plus the BernieBros meme is what keeps that going, I think. Echo Chamber posted:Sam still hates Bernie? Yeah, the "I would prefer either of these mansplaining pricks over Trump" quote was from her most recent episode, where she covers the Sanders vs Cruz in the Obamacare Arena debate.
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Taran posted:If I remember correctly, there was something about Bernie wagging his finger in Hillary's face during the primary debates, or interrupting her, or something along those lines that earned him the hatred of feminists everywhere. That plus the BernieBros meme is what keeps that going, I think. He also said something after she lost about Hilary relying too heavily on being a woman to win her the election. It's a debateable point, but it was similar enough to some of the right's attempts to discredit her that people jumped on him.
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Poor Miserable Gurgi posted:He also said something after she lost about Hilary relying too heavily on being a woman to win her the election. It's a debateable point, but it was similar enough to some of the right's attempts to discredit her that people jumped on him. Yea it was a hamfisted way of trying to say she had no actual theme or singular selling point. I think Sam said it more to insult both and then say she'd love to have them as president right now.
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I STILL wish she did a segment interviewing Hillary supporters. Her interviews with Trump and Sanders supporters were fantastic.
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Narcissus1916 posted:I STILL wish she did a segment interviewing Hillary supporters. Her interviews with Trump and Sanders supporters were fantastic. I would be shocked if they didn't make the attempt but a bunch of people who aren't going to have anywhere near the enthusiasm or fervor of Bernie/Trump supporters just isn't as much fun. I imagine if the election season hadn't been so full of crazy they would have aired something along those lines.
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Taran posted:If I remember correctly, there was something about Bernie wagging his finger in Hillary's face during the primary debates, or interrupting her, or something along those lines that earned him the hatred of feminists everywhere. That plus the BernieBros meme is what keeps that going, I think. I get the impression that, like a lot of Clinton die-hards, she still kind of blames Bernie for Clinton losing.
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Majorian posted:I get the impression that, like a lot of Clinton die-hards, she still kind of blames Bernie for Clinton losing. This is nonsensical, and I'm not trying to attack you for putting up this point or anything. Just, I voted for Bernie in the primary. Then, when the general came around, I voted for Hillary, because the alternative was Donald fuckin' Trump. I'm sure millions felt the same way. Hillary failed to turn out Obama voters. That's the mystery to be investigated.
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Die Sexmonster! posted:This is nonsensical, and I'm not trying to attack you for putting up this point or anything. Just, I voted for Bernie in the primary. Then, when the general came around, I voted for Hillary, because the alternative was Donald fuckin' Trump. I'm sure millions felt the same way. Hillary failed to turn out Obama voters. That's the mystery to be investigated. What mystery? People finally got fed up with Democrats talking like they give a poo poo about them, while sucking lobbyist dicks at fundraisers and cocktail parties. Never fighting for anything and cowering in the corner every time the Republicans looked at them funny. Hillary proudly proclaimed that "America is already great!" while half the population lives in poverty. Her campaign stood for nothing except maintaining the status quo and "lol we can't lose to Trump" while anyone outside the DC bubble yelled at them that she was the only candidate with an actual risk of losing to Trump. The campaign acted like people owed them their votes without offering them anything in return. So they said get hosed and either didn't vote or voted for Trump to see the Democratic party shitshow burn to the ground.
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An overwhelming amount of people who voted for Bernie ended up voting for Hillary in the general. The real deficit came with people who typically vote in general elections but not primaries. The main similarity between the two is groups is that they both showed a lack of enthusiasm (which the polls were not able to quantify) for Clinton in the midwest. It's just going to be a thing from now on. Unless if Bernie really fucks up and says something tone-deaf, Sam Bee's not going to flat-out attack him. But we'll regularly see hints of her anger at Bernie Sanders and the Left. This will happen even if the U.S. ends up electing a dozen women presidents and unleashes a liberal/socialist utopia. It's not going away.
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Die Sexmonster! posted:This is nonsensical, and I'm not trying to attack you for putting up this point or anything. Just, I voted for Bernie in the primary. Then, when the general came around, I voted for Hillary, because the alternative was Donald fuckin' Trump. I'm sure millions felt the same way. Hillary failed to turn out Obama voters. That's the mystery to be investigated. There's a lot of people out there that think so-called Bernie bros stayed home or voted for Gary Johnson or just someone other than Hillary and that's why Hillary lost. I don't doubt that a non-zero number of people did that but I think it's also pretty a pretty small group and in the end just ignoring other much more glaring problems.
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Logic in any analysis goes right out the window when you realize that a non-zero number of people voted for a guy that openly admitted to sexual assault. We're broken, at a fundamental level, and it's really hard to see a path forward at this point.
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Die Sexmonster! posted:This is nonsensical, and I'm not trying to attack you for putting up this point or anything. Just, I voted for Bernie in the primary. Then, when the general came around, I voted for Hillary, because the alternative was Donald fuckin' Trump. I'm sure millions felt the same way. Hillary failed to turn out Obama voters. That's the mystery to be investigated. Yeah, we're on the same page on all of this. It's frustrating to see someone like Sam, who I respect, (unconsciously) taking such a dumb perspective. I can understand at least a bit of her revulsion with some Bernie supporters, though - even today, months after the election, she gets poo poo thrown at her day and night by people claiming to do so in Bernie's name. A lot of them are probably just right-wingers pretending to be Bernies, but still, I think we actual Bernies need to do a better job of policing our own ranks. Even so, yeah, Sam should know better than to take it out on Bernie personally, or the broader mass of his supporters.
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I take her anger at Bernie and the theoretically "Bernie Bros" who didn't vote for Hillary as the same kind of thing when she used to get angry at Obama voters for not turning out in 2010. She's upset at people who think its about one politician (whether that's Obama, Bernie, Hillary, Trump, or whoever) instead of seeing the big picture. So people who theoretically supported Bernie's ideologies but didn't think there was a need to keep Trump out of office fit into the same category as people who wanted Obama to bring "hope and change" but then didn't show up for the elections that would have helped him do that. I also think she's a comedian who specifically uses anger and disrespect as her primary tool. So we should take it in context that she's trying to get big reactions.
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I voted in every election. I voted for Buono when the loving New Jersey Democratic Party allowed Chris Christie cruise towards reelection. In that case, the path of least resistance (in a loving blue state) was no resistance. Yet I feel like I'm being blamed for causing Trump. My best defense for Bee is that "she's not the only one". Like other liberal comedians probably privately thought little of Bernie but didn't openly weigh in on the Democratic schism because it's easier to just denounce Trump and now Bee remains is a lightning rod of that criticism still because she spoke out about her preference. (But still, this feels like it goes against this idea I have that "if you're not going to help us, don't hurt us.") I remembered that interview with Sanders supporters when one of them said "the people will rise up", but it was largely played off as a naive belief, rather than a renewed focus on building the coalition at the grassroots. So I don't think it's really a matter of her annoyance with the cult of personality with Obama/Sanders. Politicians don't get things done with the force of their personality alone.
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I mean, if you voted for Bernie in the primary and then Hillary in the general than she's not talking about you. If you did that and you still feel like she's yelling at you that's simply your interpretation because she's clearly talking about people who voted Bernie in the primary and then didn't vote/voted someone other than Hillary in the general. If that isn't you, its not. If it is you, then yes, she's saying you're part of the problem. Agree, disagree, but its not a rare or hard to understand argument. I also assume she considers all the stringing out of the primary and nonsense up to the convention part of the same argument. Which again, agree or disagree, is an argument that's been made to death by now. Ultimately whether I agree with Bee or not I find her funny.
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I mean, I guess you can just tweet at her while also using the hastag #berniewouldhavewon to probably get a really angry segment out of her, but I'd rather her not continue to alienate a voting base that lost an election thus increasing the chance of Trump pardoning eight turkeys all named Hillary.
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I feel like if we lose elections because a bunch of people got offended by a late night comic on once a week on TBS than we're all good and hosed already.
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STAC Goat posted:I feel like if we lose elections because a bunch of people got offended by a late night comic on once a week on TBS than we're all good and hosed already.
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I wonder if the treatment and eventual exclusion of Obama's volunteer GOTVers by the DNC led to a lot fo them just not going to vote for hillary. I could imagine feeling betrayed by Obama and his centrist corporatism, and the DNCs failure to provide any foil against the GOP.
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Echo Chamber posted:Who's saying this? I was directly responding to Grinning Goblin's post before mine.
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