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Samantha Bee (During a full moon):  Part woman, part centaur, part witch. Best known as a former correspondent on The Daily Show, Samantha Bee left after twelve years to begin work on her new show Full Frontal with Samantha Bee. In a marked departure from traditional late night shows, Full Frontal's host Samantha Bee is a female woman. Results to be seen. The show airs Monday nights on TBS at 10:30/9:30 C. Those with cable subscriptions can stream the show for free live or after air here. Pillow Hat fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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I thought the show's premiere was loving excellent. Samantha Bee is hilarious, and the jokes were spot loving on. The opening segment on the debates and the second segment on Mitch Holmes were a wonderful serving of comedy, catharsis, and political commentary that I found seamlessly written and delivered. I thought the third part about Jeb was funny, but it didn't quite have me laughing aloud like the first two segments. If this first episode is any indication of what is to come, we're in for a fantastic show.
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Feb 10, 2016 05:35
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The other thing is that I think the quality of content rises when you have a week to put a show together. Plus, it takes the focus off of the minutiae of every day and spreads out the scope a bit to stories that fly under the radar of e.g. TDS or TNS. Case in point, the story about Mitch Holmes. But yes, after seeing that episode, I would love to see her every night.
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Feb 10, 2016 15:26
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Apparently she was not offered the job, which is mystifying to me, especially given that she was the longest-tenured correspondent. I suppose you're wondering why she wasn't offered the job, and I have no answer for that. Anyway, it seems like it will turn out for the best. I think Noah is doing a great job personally, and with this show, Bee apparently has more talking time. I don't usually enjoy the interviews on TDS; this has nothing to do with Trevor, I didn't watch most of them when Jon was hosting. So I'm glad Full Frontal doesn't have that distraction. Just give me 22 minutes of Bee yelling about idiotic politicians. Now we have TDS and Full Frontal. Here's hoping it starts airing four or five days a week after she has a season under her belt. 
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Feb 10, 2016 17:59
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Popelmon posted:I liked the first two segments but that third one...ugh. What the gently caress was that dollar store Werner Herzog narration? Yeah I was kind of bored by that segment tbh.
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Feb 11, 2016 16:20
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sbaldrick posted:I wish this was streaming someplace I use my parents' login info to stream it from TBS. If you know someone who has a cable subscription who would be willing to share his or her info with you, you could do the same.
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Feb 11, 2016 18:18
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Yeah, why the gently caress is the stream so awful? It's like they WANT me to torrent it.
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Feb 12, 2016 01:03
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Interesting tidbit from Wikipedia: "Bee hired Jo Miller and Miles Kahn, formerly producers of The Daily Show, as executive producers for her new show. They set up a blinded process for hiring writers that hid the gender and experience level of the applicants, resulting in a writing staff that is approximately half female and 30% non-white. The show hired Winter Miller to help develop a mentorship program to help diversify the writing room." That's pretty awesome, although I wish it were more than 30% non-white. Anyway, the people who ended up in the writing room are clearly a great mixture. Can't wait for next week's show. Bass Bottles posted:Have they said how many episodes there will be in season 1? I don't see that info anywhere.
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Feb 12, 2016 01:17
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Yeah I'm a Bernie supporter and I thought he completely failed the leadership question. In addition to the point Samantha made, he also inexplicably named FDR and then talked exclusively about his domestic policy which is not what the question was.
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Feb 16, 2016 04:49
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drat that refugee segment was depressing. Hearing that guy say Americans are benevolent people was heartbreaking.
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Feb 16, 2016 04:57
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Trin Tragula posted:Apparently he was trying to bolster his foreign policy credentials. I look forward to the deposition of the charismatic German leader, an alliance of convenience with Russia, and a coup d'etat in Iran. Yes, his biggest shortcoming seems to be lack of foreign policy experience. His refrain is that he voted against the Iraq War while Hillary voted for it. Perhaps that is attributable to some genuine bit of judgment he had that Hillary did not, but perhaps it is because he is simply staunchly anti-war. In either case, I think Bernie has done little to address the concerns of his detractors on this issue, and in fact I thought his FDR answer played precisely into their concerns. Asked about a domestic leader who would influence his foreign policy, he talked at length about the success of FDR's domestic policy.
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Feb 16, 2016 15:20
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Yes, I think most of America sees him as a fine leader. I really don't know much about him tbh, so I can't comment. I mean didn't Hillary agree about Churchill being a good choice before mentioning Mandela? Edit: Briefly reviewing his Wikipedia introduction, I find: 1. He was the first honorary US citizen. 2. He won the Nobel Prize in literature. 3. His funeral was one of the largest assemblies of world statesmen in history. 4. He was named the "greatest Briton" in 2002 by the BBC. 5. He is widely regarded as one of the most influential people in British history So maybe the above poster finds Churchill personally objectionable, but I don't think it was an unwise choice by Bernie according to mainstream analysis except perhaps that he should have chosen someone other than a white man. Pillow Hat fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Feb 17, 2016 |
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Feb 17, 2016 00:40
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Trin Tragula posted:The point I was eventually working round to is that sure, America's not going to care; but what worries me is that if America's not going to care, Sanders might decide that namechecking Churchill is a simple, easy way to bolster his shaky foreign policy credentials over the next year. In Iran they know that the Shah's coup was backed by MI6 and the CIA. It would be utterly depressing if Sanders pulls off the impossible dream and goes into the Oval Office, thinking "Sure, the Hill's going to obstruct the gently caress out of my domestic agenda, but at least I can achieve something with a fast-thawing Iran!", only to find that the Iranians have suddenly become extremely wary of a self-declared maverick and outsider President who's spent the last year saying "I admire Winston Churchill's foreign policy." This post rests on so many assumptions that it's hard to even associate with reality.
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Feb 17, 2016 01:21
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I agree with that. I'm just saying that honest pandering aside, Churchill wasn't some lunatic pick like Trin Tragula would have us believe. In fact, MLK would have been a great choice since he spoke out against the Vietnam War (among other reasons). Totally a missed opportunity.
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Feb 17, 2016 02:59
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Tiggum posted:I was really disappointed when she left The Daily Show. She was the best one on there at the time and better than anyone on there now (although Jordan Klepper and Jessica Williams are both pretty good, and I really like Trevor). If she had taken over as host though I feel like it would have been a loss, because her field pieces were her best stuff and I'm really glad it looks like she'll still be doing more of that type of thing on this show. I'm definitely a Trevor fan, and ultimately I think this is a net win (because now he and she have shows), but I think she could have made an excellent TDS host.
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Feb 18, 2016 19:41
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I don't really know what your point is, but you sure seem convinced of it.
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Feb 19, 2016 04:59
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Great show tonight. It really made me feel happy to see how the Syrians reacted to Samantha's "important English phrases." I think she does an excellent job at portraying Syrian refugees as so completely human. Just normal rear end people trying to make a better life.
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Feb 23, 2016 05:03
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Narcissus1916 posted:That Kasich takedown was brutal. And so deserved. He has so many repugnant opinions. He has called the death penalty consistent with Christian values, voted to prohibit needle exchanges (which lower HIV and hepatitis rates btw), stopped accepting Syrian refugees, and has an A rating from the NRA, among some other things. He has scraped by with the appearance of a moderate, but he's a piece of poo poo, too.
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Feb 23, 2016 05:49
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How do I change the thread title to that? I've maybe never posted a thread in the decade I've been an SA member.
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Feb 23, 2016 18:03
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Well I don't know about you guys, but I honestly think Samantha Bee is the funniest person on television right now. I hope she stays at this for many years to come. This is my favorite show right now.
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Feb 26, 2016 17:37
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God drat we needed a woman to host one of these shows so badly. We still need more, but Samantha Bee is a magnificent start.
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Mar 1, 2016 04:51
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Holy poo poo that is marvelous. I was just having a conversation with my racist uncle the other day for which this is a perfect response. He was talking about how BLM is filled with hypocritical bullies and I tried to explain that in fact mainstream America never recognizes civil rights activists for the heroes they are during their period of activism. They will always be criticized as disruptive, unseemly, polarizing, or whatever other coded language people can come up with. There is no "correct" way to petition mainstream America for the rights you are owed.
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Mar 1, 2016 05:07
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VagueRant posted:Although it's ridiculously infuriating that not only do Americans not understand what's happening to black people over there...The TITLE of the movement to educate about it is CONSTANTLY misunderstood. (By idiots.) This isn't a misunderstanding, it is a deliberate decision by people who choose not to believe activists bringing attention to extant racism.
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Mar 2, 2016 00:49
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IRQ posted:But she's focusing on being funny yet incisive rather than preachy so it's working a lot better for me. Agreed. I don't really need most of this stuff broken down for me. I'm perfectly capable of becoming angry about it on my own. Make me laugh about it.
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Mar 2, 2016 00:59
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VagueRant posted:I'm sure there's plenty of wilfully ignorant folks (hah, did I just sound like Obama?) out there, but I've seen quite a few instances of people being convinced when someone broke down the whole Black Lives Matter thing to them (cliff notes: append "too" at the end of the slogan) and going "ohhhhh." That's a pretty forgiving way of looking at it. "Oh, you mean to tell me these black folks weren't trying to say they're the only ones that matter? Well geeminy I can get on board with that." The onus is on white people (such as myself) to proactively educate themselves about the current state of racism and efforts to combat it. Alternatively stated, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
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Mar 2, 2016 22:33
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I will always strive to critically self-examine and prevent myself from saying or doing something racist, but I have to acknowledge that I will gently caress up and say/do racist things. That doesn't mean I'm a bad person, it just means I'm human. And in general, it seems like white people are more afraid of being called racist than they are of being racist. Saying "All Lives Matter" is a racist thing to say, because you (and I'm using you in a general sense) are suggesting that black people do not face unique challenges over and above the challenges faced by white people. That doesn't necessarily make the person saying it a racist person, but he or she is saying a racist thing. I realize we probably agree on the important things here, so I'm not trying to pick a fight. Just my two cents.
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Mar 2, 2016 23:03
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I thought DeRay McKesson explained it well on TDS. He compared it to going to a breast cancer fund raiser and saying, "We need to raise funds to research ALL kinds of cancer." Good explanation to keep in my back pocket.
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Mar 3, 2016 01:37
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I would agree. I think there is a critical leap that is very difficult for so many white people to take where they look at themselves and realize how much of who they are is attributable to white supremacy. Just the other day, my racist uncle told me I should be against Affirmative Action because that's the only reasonable way to understand why I didn't get into my home state medical school. (I am a white man.) It would be much easier for me to agree with him, and I wouldn't have to deal with accepting the fact that I'm just not good enough. It's harder (for people in general) to say, "No Racist Uncle, you are wrong. The fact that I am a white man is actually not the reason I didn't get into medical school. Furthermore, being a white man, I have been at an advantage every step of the way leading to this point. I should be expected to have a more competitive application than, say, a black woman all other things being equal." (Plus, you know, I got into an out-of-state med school. So I'm actually more inclined to say it came down to some extent to the human component of admissions than anything AA related.) But anyway, gently caress what makes me feel good about myself and how hard I worked. It's obvious to me that I have been the beneficiary of white privilege at every step of the way (in addition to a bunch of other types of social privilege). If I were a black woman, I would not be in medical school, plain and simple. Pillow Hat fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Mar 3, 2016 |
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Mar 3, 2016 01:51
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My sense is that for most people, it is motivated by racism because they hear "Black Lives Matter" and think, "What are those black people getting at? My life is important, too!" Gonna agree with raditts thatraditts posted:this is the kind of thing you have to deliberately bury your head in the sand to not understand. If we just ignore for a second all the nuance and history that plays into BLM, think about what people who say ALM are assuming about BLM activists. They are assuming the activists think black lives are more important, NOT that black people face unique challenges. Those are (basically) the two ways these people could interpret the phrase "Black Lives Matter," and they're choosing the one where those saying it are selfish and prejudiced as opposed to selfless and subject to prejudice.
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Mar 3, 2016 17:39
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Bass Bottles posted:Racists actually understand systemic racism very well, they just think it's a thing that targets white people. They have it backwards. I'm not disagreeing, but can you explain a little more what you mean by this? Are you referring, for example, to white people who think Affirmative Action has cost them success?
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Mar 3, 2016 18:03
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Bass Bottles posted:Yes. They think affirmative action costs them success, they think "PC culture" unfairly silences white voices, they think BLM causes a dehumanization of police, leading to a reckless disregard for their safety. I think this is a good way of looking at things, and I don't think it's at odds with anything I said. Actually, I think it complements my comments. Narcissus1916 posted:The black lives matter movement is attacked by racists, sure. Honestly, I think police racism might be the one issue white America is somewhat close to grasping. I'm not necessarily saying that they're on board with it at large, but it's been so widely reported and publicized that I think they're starting to at least see a case for it. I'm not sure the same can be said of other forms of systemic racism.
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Mar 3, 2016 22:32
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Comrade Fakename posted:TBH I'm a bit disappointed in FF. There are plenty of very funny bits in it, but I don't like the whole amped-up anger tone of the show. Like everything is incredibly and horribly terrible and you've got to be super-angry about it right now and all the time!! In fact they could pretty much rename the entire show "!!". I mean, she was basically berating her own audience for not voting in 2010, when I imagine that most of the kind of people who watch her show did vote, if they were eligible. And she referred to Trump as "the presidential frontrunner" twice, even though he isn't. 
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Mar 4, 2016 04:08
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 Perfect analysis. Echo Chamber posted:I like Sam Bee's show. I love Sam Bee. She's the best person on TV right now in my opinion. She provides the best catharsis and this is exactly what I want with this type of show. I love John Oliver. I honestly don't find him very funny, but he's the closest to real journalism of the bunch, and I don't watch his show for comedy. Plus, some of the stuff he does isn't the classic laugh-out-loud type of humor to me, but I nonetheless appreciate it as brilliant satire. Our Lady of Perpetual of Exemption, for example. I love Trevor Noah. He's doing an admirable job in his role, and I think he will only continue to improve. Plus the correspondents are on point right now. I don't watch Colbert, but it seems good for what it is based on what little I have seen. I like Wilmore himself. I usually don't like the panels, but then I pretty much never watched any of Stewart's interviews, for comparison. I usually enjoy the opening segment, but I think the correspondents are just okay most of the time. But yeah, in general I'm much more positive about all of the above than most everything I read.
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Mar 6, 2016 00:05
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This show couldn't get any better. Samantha Bee is ON FIRE! 
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Mar 8, 2016 04:41
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Majorian posted:Ugh, I love this show, but the thing about Sanders talking over Hillary was really disingenuous. I'm no paranoid Clinton-hater, but poo poo like that's just flat-out dishonest. Yeah, I confess it seemed like a reach to me. But I didn't see the debate, just the segment she showed.
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Mar 8, 2016 05:04
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Interesting. I don't think I realized that the finger point was a mansplaining thing. I will learn from this.
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Mar 8, 2016 14:38
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meristem posted:Well, without making hay, how are you guys to know that it gets really, really rage-inducing after a time? 😀 Not everyone has a wife to point that out to them! Yes, this is one of one million reasons we desperately needed (and still need more) women hosting these shows.
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Mar 8, 2016 16:29
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Bass Bottles posted:A lot of people have latched on to the "finger wag" moment. It seems to have seriously struck a nerve. I can't speak for Sam Bee but I'm pretty sure it wasn't throw-away joke fodder to her. Yeah, and I think it's great that Samantha Bee covered it like this. When I saw the show live, I kinda just laughed because everything to that point had been really funny and her delivery was good even if the point of that wasn't completely clear to me. But I ended up reading a bit of the discussion here in the thread and talking to my girlfriend and sister about it to get their opinions, and I think I'm personally better for it. I really didn't realize the finger wag was a thing. So if Bee's purpose is to tell jokes and educate some people, then mission accomplished. The other thing that you point out is the nasty reaction from the Bernie Bros. Every politician (read: person) has flaws, and it is a disservice to everyone to pretend otherwise. The fact that some of his supporters are so vocal about believing Bernie can do no wrong or that he is immune from bias highlights a lot the problem among "well meaning liberals." (I'm including myself in this group, I'm confident I have done this myself even if I have not been aware of it.) They seem to think that being aware of and sympathetic to some of the salient components of social justice puts someone above racism or above sexism or above heteronormativity or whatever the case may be. In addition, they seem to think that a history of Doing The Right Thing (such as Bernie's past activism) means that you will always be right. I don't think these "well meaning liberals" would agree with that exact phraseology, but that is what they portray.
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Mar 8, 2016 22:17
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:Wait. A bill was introduced to make proposing stricter gun control a felony?! Are you loving kidding me?! Yeah dude that's some seriously hosed up totalitarian poo poo.
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Mar 9, 2016 16:30
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Bernie has some crazy rear end hands and he tends to do a lot of pointing in general, so I think it is possible this was an honest case of misinterpretation. That said, as Bass Bottles points out, politics is all about appearances, and Bernie should have someone coaching him not to do that. The fact that this moment has resonated with so many people (and women in particular) makes it clear there is something to this. Maybe this isn't the clearest example ever of the finger wag as a tool to demean someone, but in my opinion it's wrong to tell people their perceptions were inaccurate. That is just gaslighting, and in doing so, we don't actually address why the finger wag is inflammatory. The fact that debates are usually aggressive in general does not exclude the possibility of sexist aggression in particular. I see this as one of those instances where people in positions of power hear the complaints of the people they're oppressing and try to explain it away rather than doing some self-reflection and asking themselves what led to this moment. It's analogous to telling the proverbial camel to toughen up, it's just a piece of straw after all.  edit: Agreed with all of the above.
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Mar 9, 2016 17:22
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