- Fivemarks
- Feb 21, 2015
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Sorry, I've been a long time lurker, never actually posted here before. I've been active in the online Roleplaying community before because, yeah, I like Dungeons and Dragons and all that kind of stuff. But there's been... a huge problem going on, and it just keeps getting weirder and weirder and more annoying.
Y'see, I'm black. I like playing black characters in things. It's not a problem, right? Asian people get to play asian characters and white people get to play white characters if they want, but its apparently a big problem if I want to play someone with a skin color the same as my own.
And then, on this one really hosed up webforum, https://www.stararmy.com , this happened.
quote:[21:06] Kirkatan: I admit, I'm kinda selfish in what i'm doing in fleshing out Menelik's ethnocultural group. Because I'm always looking at scifi and it's always white as gently caress, so I figured "hey I could flesh out the site's fluff and setting more, do this thing that I like, -and- flesh out Menelik more"
[21:20] ShotJon: While dooming the race the to not be used as much because not many people want to play a black person. Not because they are racist, but just because it does not apeal to them.
[21:31] Luca: https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...
[21:31] Luca: Suddenly an enormous Phoenix Punch
[21:44] =-= Jim_AFK is now known as Jimmy
[21:44] Luca: WB Jim
[21:46] Kirkatan: People had no trouble playing asianish characters.
[21:48] Jimmy Not to mention that specifying something as the ONLY black nepleslians you can play is...rather limiting.
[21:50] Kirkatan: Oh is it now
[21:52] Luca: gets a stopwatch.
[22:07] Luca: hi Li
[22:07] -->| Li (WillLi0527@sorcery-qtlpgt.va.comcast.net) has joined #LSDFValta
[22:08] Kirkatan: ... A bit early on the gun
[22:08] Luca: still hit the target, didn't I?
[22:08] Kirkatan: No because Li didn't see it.
[22:09] Luca: well so much for a harmless joke - I once did it with Soresu and everyone thought I was a wizard.
[22:09] Jond: You aren't a wizard?
[22:10] Luca: Shh.
[22:10] Luca: Its a double-subversion.
[22:11] Kirkatan: ... Hey, Luca, am I doing something wrong by wanting to flesh out Menelik's ethnocultural and religious background? Because it's not something cool, like if it was vaguely asianish or based of something from europe"
[22:12] Luca: are you attempting to ask me a loaded question by saying that a african culture is not cool because you're implying asian and european cultures are 'cooler'?
[22:13] Luca: you sly motherfucker.
[22:13] Kirkatan: No, because Shotjon said that african and african diaspora stuff doesn't appeal to people
[22:14] Jond: Making a culture of black people for its sake is as bad as avoiding making one imo.
[22:14] Jond: Because either way its based solely on race and thats a poo poo-show.
[22:15] Kirkatan: I'm not making it just to say "hey look we have black people now"
[22:16] Luca: Flesh it out, by all means, try doing so in character instead of relying on wiki articles that'll be abandoned. Use it to make the character better.
[22:17] Luca: A lot of good culture stuff is unwritten in articles. Its bought in by characters
[22:17] Luca: like Tom loving Freeman. Poster boy for Ralt's culture.
[22:20] Lamb: " african and african diaspora stuff doesn't appeal to people"
[22:20] Lamb: With a few exceptions, I think that's true.
[22:20] Lamb: Zulu were pretty drat cool.
[22:22] Lamb: Many African cultures are sadly satisfied to avoid progress and practice what modern people might call 'brutal religions', however, and unless they changed would never make it to the modern era
[22:22] Kirkatan: ....
[22:22] Kirkatan: ...
[22:22] Lamb: South Americans have the same thing.
[22:22] Kirkatan: You know what I'm just going to leave for a bit before I start being impolite and offending you
[22:22] <--| Kirkatan has left #LSDFValta
[22:22] Lamb: I'm not offended
[22:23] Luca: blinks
[22:23] Lamb: I thought we were going to start talking about African cultures.
[22:23] Jimmy laughs.
[22:23] Jimmy >wants to talk about african cultures.
[22:23] Luca: let's be honest he's not got long before another gaffe and he gets his rear end banned. I give him freedom and goodwill and this is how he uses it.
So that's a thing, right? As we all know, African cultures were always backwards savages, and to bring up things like Mali or Songhai or africa is to be a dumb idiot who goes "lol We wuz Kings n poo poo", because to show any interest or pride in the history of africa as an african american is to be a subhuman idiot.
And then, today, this happened.
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01[19:28] <Kirkatan> What gets me is how people respond to Black Lives matter with "All Lives Matter"
[19:28] <Lunar_Rabbit> Kirkatan, yeah.
[19:28] <Lunar_Rabbit> Kirkatan, ugh, yeah
[19:28] <@Kalshion|Kyle> All lives DO matter Kirkatan
[19:28] <Jimmy> So, Kalshion|Kyle, can Bu'lla rip off his body suit and bask in the purity of his loincloth. "I am now ready to go to dinner."
[19:28] <Lunar_Rabbit> Er, Kalshion|Kyle AND Kirkatan.
01[19:28] <Kirkatan> No poo poo All lives matter, but that isn't the point of the BLM movement.
[19:28] <@Kalshion|Kyle> What makes black lives so much more important?
[19:28] <@Kalshion|Kyle> The BLM is based off a lie - the whole 'hands up don't shot' was debunked a long rear end time ago
[19:29] <@Doshii_Jun> Mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[19:29] <@Kalshion|Kyle> And, if the BLM TRULY cared about black lives - they'd be in LA, Chitcago, and Detroit trying to stop all of the black on black violence
01[19:29] <Kirkatan> BLM exists purely because the black community is fed up with african americans having a dispraportionately higher rate of police related fatalities than other groups in the US.
06[19:29] * Lunar_Rabbit rubs her face.
[19:29] <AriegGamer> The BLM movement just seems to be another antag group wanting to be a noisy minority.
[19:29] <@Doshii_Jun> drat Germans.
01[19:29] <Kirkatan> Oh my god Kyle
[19:29] <FrostJaeger> jesus christ Kirk
[19:29] <FrostJaeger> please
[19:29] <@Kalshion|Kyle> They don't have a higher rate Kirk, whites are actually killed at a higher rate by police each year -,-
[19:29] <AriegGamer> Kirk: STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLES
[19:29] <FrostJaeger> please just...stop
01[19:29] <Kirkatan> You know what?
[19:29] <Lunar_Rabbit> Kalshion|Kyle, what you mean they don't :E There's a reason why the Baltimore riots happened, despite the arresting officers being black
01[19:29] <Kirkatan> You know what?
[19:29] <FrostJaeger> who's what?
[19:29] <@Kalshion|Kyle> What? :p
[19:29] <FrostJaeger> :v
01[19:29] <Kirkatan> I'm just going to shut up because black people don't know what we're talking about.
03[19:29] * Kirkatan is now known as KirkGone
[19:30] <Luca> what the?
[19:30] <Aendri> Wait, are we talking about how black people kill more blakc people than anyone else again?
[19:30] <Lunar_Rabbit> something something dindu nuffin, something something /pol/
01[19:30] <KirkGone> something something chimp out
[19:30] <Lunar_Rabbit> kill the poor, etc.
[19:30] <FrostJaeger> kek
01[19:30] <KirkGone> something something black on black crime
[19:30] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Kirk thinks that blacks are always the victoms of everything
06[19:30] * AriegGamer looks at Chicago.
06[19:30] * @Kalshion|Kyle looks at Chicago, Detriot, and LA, where blacks are killed in record numbers by THEIR OWN
[19:30] <Lunar_Rabbit> Kalshion|Kyle, pls some source
[19:30] <Lunar_Rabbit> something something black people want more rights
[19:31] <@Kalshion|Kyle> FBI stats :3
[19:31] <Lunar_Rabbit> link pls
[19:31] <AriegGamer> Want something really fun?
[19:31] <@Kalshion|Kyle> of course, admittedly, there is a chance those stats might be wrong. This *IS* the government we are dealing with
[19:31] <Aendri> Or, you know, Kyle, the cop who DID try to taser a 17 year old kid first, and was shot six times as a result?
[19:31] <Lunar_Rabbit> R O N P A U L 2 0 1 6
[19:31] <Aendri> There's a reason cops are starting to shoot first. :/
[19:31] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Yup
[19:31] <Lunar_Rabbit> B L A C K S G E T B U L L E T S
[19:31] <AriegGamer> The cop isn't obligated to save your rear end if your being a retard.
[19:31] <Aendri> All these drat movements have everyone looking for a problem, which makes more of a problem than there ever was.
01[19:31] <KirkGone> There's a reason the black community, as a whole, tends not to trust the police.
[19:32] <Lunar_Rabbit> poo poo, I don't trust the police in my area anymore, and I'm loving Asian.
[19:32] <Lunar_Rabbit> And our crime here is mostly white and latino.
[19:32] <Aendri> Because they tend to have more incidents of the arrestee assaulting the officer than any other race, Kirk?
01[19:32] <KirkGone> ..
01[19:32] <KirkGone> ...
06[19:32] * AriegGamer trusts the police in his area, but then again hes in a small town and knows a few.
06[19:32] * KirkGone opens his mouth
[19:32] <AriegGamer> Oooh.
[19:32] <AriegGamer> Oooh.
06[19:32] * KirkGone shuts it.
[19:32] <AriegGamer> Get a map of black neighborhoods.
[19:32] <@Kalshion|Kyle> I.. wasn't expecting Aendri to say that
[19:32] <Lunar_Rabbit> where are these sources
[19:32] <AriegGamer> And then get the crime dot map and overlap them.
[19:32] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Lunar_Rabbit, not everything is based on stats and such - some is based off experience
[19:33] <Lunar_Rabbit> kek
[19:33] <Aendri> My Godfather was a cop, who ened up making Captain. He was shot while making arrests twice, and assaulated plenty of times. I tend to believe him when he tells me what he saw.
[19:34] <FrostJaeger> ^this
01[19:34] <KirkGone> So you're saying that everything the police do to african americans and other minorities is justified.
[19:34] <@Kalshion|Kyle> NEver said that
[19:34] <Aendri> Especially since he is easily the least racist man I have ever known. :/
[19:34] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Do not put words in our mouths
[19:34] <FrostJaeger> mhm
[19:34] <Aendri> No, I'm saying if you go looking for a problem, you find one.
[19:34] <@Kalshion|Kyle> What we are saying Kirk is that Blacks - just like Whites and every other ethical group - are not perfect
[19:34] <Aendri> Whether or not it was there when you started.
01[19:34] <KirkGone> No loving poo poo we aren't perfect.
[19:35] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Yes, except you continue to ignore the problems in your own community and isntead prefer to blame the police for everything
[19:35] <@Kalshion|Kyle> When a black kid fires on officers and they return fire? What do you do? Blame the police officer, not the kid.
[19:35] <AriegGamer> This entire issue: http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/61718444.jpg
01[19:35] <KirkGone> that better not be dindu nuffin
[19:35] <@Kalshion|Kyle> What I just said is the common, COMMON theme I see practically all the time
01[19:35] <KirkGone> Holy poo poo what the gently caress am I on /pol/
[19:35] <Aendri> Interesting note, did you know that in general, proportionally speaking, african american cops are more likely to use their service weapon?
01[19:36] <KirkGone> Lunar Rabbit, you're cool.
[19:36] <Lunar_Rabbit> KirkGone, we've been on /pol/ for a long time :V
[19:36] <AriegGamer> Kirk this is practically Pol.
01[19:36] <KirkGone> The rest of you? holy poo poo I expected better of each and everyone one of you.
[19:36] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Oh I'm sorry, you expected us to turn a BLIND EYE to the problems we see daily?
[19:36] <Jimmy> HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG
[19:36] <Aendri> Really? Despite you shittalking us consistently?
[19:36] <AriegGamer> Glad to disdapoint.
[19:36] <Lunar_Rabbit> KirkGone, https://40.media.tumblr.com/33502407ae5b819b9c37bb639290fcf0/tumblr_nz4zhdw54s1smzsrfo1_500.jpg best part is it's from Tumblr
[19:37] <FrostJaeger> SHERMAN WAS A WAR CRIMINAL
[19:37] <FrostJaeger> STATES RIGHTS
[19:37] <Aendri> Lunar, there's a difference between recognizing a problem, and creating one.
[19:37] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Sorry, but I'm realist, if I see a problem in a community I can *AND WILL* point it out until its fixed
[19:37] <Lunar_Rabbit> MUH CONFEDERATE FLAG
[19:37] <Aendri> No, the justice system isn't right as things stand.
[19:37] <AriegGamer> Oh god no it isn't.
[19:37] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Justice system is crewed up the rear end
[19:37] <AriegGamer> Especially the for profit ends of it.
[19:37] <Lunar_Rabbit> Race realism? :3
[19:37] <@Kalshion|Kyle> XD
[19:37] <FrostJaeger> lel
[19:37] <AriegGamer> And the fact its to small to handle the work load.
[19:37] <Aendri> But attacking cops, the by FAR grand majority of whom are doing their job as best they can, is stupid.
[19:38] <AriegGamer> Because the cops can and will shoot back.
[19:38] <Aendri> And SHOULD.
01[19:38] <KirkGone> I agree that the majority of Cops are fine
[19:38] <AriegGamer> And they don't cant their guns to the side.
[19:38] <@Kalshion|Kyle> If you think a cop is violating your rights, you handle it in court, you don't fight them or resist arrest
[19:38] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Hell, *I DID* after all
01[19:38] <KirkGone> What I don't agree with is saying that the problem therein lies in the black community wholeheartedly
[19:38] <FrostJaeger> ...
[19:38] <AriegGamer> A good chunk of it does.
[19:38] <Aendri> Nobody has said that, Kirk.
[19:38] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Arieg did :3
[19:38] <Aendri> But groups like BLM ARE the problem.
[19:38] <FrostJaeger> (aside from Arieg)
[19:39] <Aendri> Just as much as the cops are.
[19:39] <FrostJaeger> who has said that ?
[19:39] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Hell, groups like BLM, the CBC, and others >_>
[19:39] <Aendri> Because they're just building tensions.
01[19:39] <KirkGone> I can understand where BLM is coming from
[19:39] <AriegGamer> You can only blame the system so much until you look at yourself and discover your own culture is loving you in the rear end.
[19:39] <Lunar_Rabbit> BLM members I see aren't ghetto thugs wanting to shoot your white rear end.
[19:39] <@Kalshion|Kyle> The ones in my nighborhood are -,-
01[19:39] <KirkGone> Because holy poo poo the black community has a very long history of getting generally treated like poo poo by the police.
[19:39] <Aendri> Those people also tend to be the minority that aren't the ones causing problems in the first place.
[19:39] <Lunar_Rabbit> R A C E R E A L I S M
01[19:39] <KirkGone> And before that? We were slaves.
[19:39] <Lunar_Rabbit> Take a trip down LAPD and even white people have a huge issue with them and the LASD.
[19:39] <Aendri> Congratulations, Kirk.
[19:39] <@Kalshion|Kyle> KirkGone, NEWS FLASH Whites were slaves as well!
01[19:40] <KirkGone> Holy poo poo you're actually saying rig-
01[19:40] <KirkGone> ...
[19:40] <Lunar_Rabbit> In America?
[19:40] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Did you know one of my distant ancestors WAS a slave?
[19:40] <Aendri> Great job removing any real basis you had for your argument.
[19:40] <AriegGamer> Slavery isn't an excuse anymore.
[19:40] <AriegGamer> To many generations removed.
[19:40] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Oh and do you know who his master was? A BLACK MAN.
[19:40] <Lunar_Rabbit> >my ancestors were slaves destoys my argument
01[19:40] <KirkGone> There's a huge loving difference between various forms of slavery, such as indentured servitude and the like, and Chattel Slavery.
[19:40] <@Kalshion|Kyle> So do not give me that loving slavery bullshit
[19:40] <FrostJaeger> ...
[19:40] <Lunar_Rabbit> it's black pride month :3c
01[19:40] <KirkGone> And yes, there were black and mulatto slave owners.
[19:40] <FrostJaeger> kirk
[19:40] <FrostJaeger> son
[19:40] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Hell the first slave owner in the US was black >_>
[19:40] <FrostJaeger> sit
[19:40] <FrostJaeger> down
01[19:41] <KirkGone> And yes, African kingdoms along the slave coast did participate in the slave trade; but that was a trade driven by european demand
[19:41] <Aendri> Okay, no. This argument just needs to end. It's not doing anyone any good.
01[19:41] <KirkGone> And Chattel Slavery is a particularly specific kind of evil.
[19:41] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Wrong.
[19:41] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Very wrong Kirk
[19:41] <FrostJaeger> plz don
[19:41] <Aendri> Everyone, drop it.
[19:41] <@Kalshion|Kyle> The slave trade between African tribes was going on long before then
[19:41] <FrostJaeger> *plz don't feed the troll Kyle
[19:41] <Aendri> Nobody is gaining anything from this, just drop it.
[19:41] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Yea, your right, I'm talking to a brick wall.
[19:41] <Lunar_Rabbit> >slavery is ok because blax did it
[19:41] <Lunar_Rabbit> C U C K E D
[19:42] <Aendri> Kyle, hush.
[19:42] <Aendri> Lunar, stop.
[19:42] <@Kalshion|Kyle> Meow
[19:42] <@Kalshion|Kyle> :<
01[19:42] <KirkGone> Yes, it was, but the very specific "holy poo poo what the gently caress" slavery we got out of the Triangular Trade was something entirely different
[19:42] <AriegGamer> So.
[19:42] <AriegGamer> Tentacle monsters.
[19:42] <AriegGamer> Go.
[19:42] <FrostJaeger> :3
[19:42] <Aendri> Kirk. Stop.
[19:42] <Luca> they're monsters, with tentacles.
[19:42] <DragonNova> Oh my. Is five spewing racist nonsense again?
[19:42] <@Kalshion|Kyle> TENTACLE MONSTERS!
[19:42] <FrostJaeger> Yep
01[19:42] <KirkGone> holy poo poo what.
[19:42] <Aendri> DN. No.
01[19:42] <KirkGone> No, seriously, what, you're calling me racist here.
06[19:42] * @Kalshion|Kyle uses tentacles to screw around with DragonNova
[19:42] <@Kalshion|Kyle> :3
[19:42] <Aendri> Kirk, shut up. Now.
[19:42] <AriegGamer> Kirk go away we don't want you here.
And this is the kind of behavior i've come to expect from people, really. I'm black, so that automatically means that I'm a subhuman and anything bad that happens to someone like me has to be our fault.
But I can't loving stand this poo poo anymore. I can't take it! What the gently caress did black people do to deserve this kind of treatment?
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