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Alter Ego posted:Two questions: Probably yes to both, but you never know with Trump. He himself seems to regard Dubya's forthcoming involvement as a major threat.
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Xenophanes posted:I think you underestimate the depth of disaffection within both parties. Neither party is responsive to its constituents; witness the insouciant transition that the media has rendered as the narrative changed from "Hillary unopposed" to "fringe voters turn out for Sanders," the presumption is that the Democratic core is monolithic and obedient to the needs of the Party, whereas the process is corrupted only by enthusiasts and idealogues. Democrats for Trump may not be supported by the preponderance of historical evidence, but evidence is turning out to be an unreliable guide in TYOOL 2016. I'm not a Trump booster (_5), but I do see that Bernie is very likely to lose critical momentum in the next few weeks while Trump might yet gain it, and I think that some who view Bernie as a protest vote will indeed see Trump as a better option for fighting against the dead hand of the corporatist establishment than Hillary. I have a feeling most democrat voters see trump as an orange clown man with silly faces.
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Alter Ego posted:Two questions: Trump is 15-20% ahead in SC. He'd have needed to perform a live abortion mid-debate to lose that.
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Rexicon1 posted:I have a feeling most democrat voters see trump as an orange clown man with silly faces. Polls of all voters show Trump has something like a 70% disapproval rating. It's just that the leftover 30% is all in for him
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Alter Ego posted:Two questions: Trump is 15-20% ahead in SC. He'd have needed to perform a live abortion mid-debate to lose that.
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Dem voters aren't going to flip to Trump, but the rhetoric he displayed tonight will absolutely help him in the general election and encourage self-identified moderate conservatives to vote. The idea that there aren't any GOP voters who think Bush was bad on foreign policy, Roe v Wade is a good thing, and Planned Parenthood probably isn't selling baby legs to pharmaceutical companies is absurd. I was raised by two of them, and his performance tonight is exactly what people like them want to hear.
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Aliquid posted:"a latino hothead thing" Trump say that?
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Despera posted:Trump say that? CBS News commentators, can't tell you who; female
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Dem voters aren't going to flip to Trump, but the rhetoric he displayed tonight will absolutely help him in the general election and encourage self-identified moderate conservatives to vote. The idea that there aren't any GOP voters who think Bush was bad on foreign policy, Roe v Wade is a good thing, and Planned Parenthood probably isn't selling baby legs to pharmaceutical companies is absurd. I was raised by two of them, and his performance tonight is exactly what people like them want to hear. But 62% of Republcans think going into Iraq was right so they are very much in the minority http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2228 Remember that GWB has a 67% approval rating with Republicans http://www.scribd.com/doc/287367315/10-27-15-Republican-Party-toplines
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Zikan posted:But 62% of Republcans think going into Iraq was right so they are very much in the minority 62% of Republicans fall into line with whatever they are told helps defeat the forces of secularism and compulsive abortionists.
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Xenophanes posted:62% of Republicans fall into line with whatever they are told helps defeat the forces of secularism and compulsive abortionists. I'm excited by this new math that helps trump win with only 30% of 47% of the electorate supporting him, it sounds very high energy
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Joementum posted:Jeb! was wearing heels tonight. is that bill loving frist behind jeb???
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Joementum posted:Jeb! was wearing heels tonight. It amazes me that height is a thing in the year of our Lord 2016. Who gives a gently caress if they are short or tall. Personality matters more and Jeb! is clearly too low energy to be president.
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CornflakeS.Pecially posted:is that bill loving frist behind jeb??? Probably, he's an official supporter.
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Joementum posted:MSNBC. But it's over now. if anyone has a clip I'd love to see it, I can't stand that little poo poo
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CornflakeS.Pecially posted:is that bill loving frist behind jeb??? not really unless you have raws showing to the right of Jeb
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Attorney at Funk posted:what the gently caress was that Cirrhosis.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Dem voters aren't going to flip to Trump, but the rhetoric he displayed tonight will absolutely help him in the general election and encourage self-identified moderate conservatives to vote. The idea that there aren't any GOP voters who think Bush was bad on foreign policy, Roe v Wade is a good thing, and Planned Parenthood probably isn't selling baby legs to pharmaceutical companies is absurd. I was raised by two of them, and his performance tonight is exactly what people like them want to hear. ...and yet he still claims he'll build a wall on the Mexican border, bomb the Middle East back to the Stone Age, and viciously insult anyone who disagrees with him. He's still an unlikable rear end.
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Zikan posted:But 62% of Republcans think going into Iraq was right so they are very much in the minority I don't want to unskew polls here but I feel like a significant part of that is a sort of feeling of team obligation, if that makes any sense. Dubya was a Republican, and Iraq was a Republican war, and we're Republicans, so we must be for it. But given a way out of that in the form of a Republican who's one of them and who is opposed to the war and to Dubya, I think a lot of that 62% would reconsider. If Trump gets the nomination there aren't going to be any Republican voters who stay home because they're such big fans of Dubya and Iraq and won't brook Trump's positions, is what I'm saying. The neocon plank of the party's official ideology has always been the one with the most tenuous direct popular support
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Attorney at Funk posted:what the gently caress was that America's future.
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Alter Ego posted:...and yet he still claims he'll build a wall on the Mexican border, bomb the Middle East back to the Stone Age, and viciously insult anyone who disagrees with him.
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Attorney at Funk posted:what the gently caress was that TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!
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Alter Ego posted:...and yet he still claims he'll build a wall on the Mexican border, bomb the Middle East back to the Stone Age, and viciously insult anyone who disagrees with him. Lots of intermittent, poorly educated, low income white voters out there that agree with all that 100%. That will be an even bigger strength in the general than in the primary, because that pool of voters is not strongly ideological and grabbing them doesn't cost Trump anything in terms of core conservatives
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icantfindaname posted:I don't want to unskew polls here but I feel like a significant part of that is a sort of feeling of team obligation, if that makes any sense. Dubya was a Republican, and Iraq was a Republican war, and we're Republicans, so we must be for it. But given a way out of that in the form of a Republican who's one of them and who is opposed to the war and to Dubya, I think a lot of that 62% would reconsider. If Trump gets the nomination there aren't going to be any Republican voters who stay home because they're such big fans of Dubya and Iraq and won't brook Trump's positions, is what I'm saying. The neocon plank of the party's official ideology has always been the one with the most tenuous direct popular support Well that's probably true for the General. The issue is that Republican voters can be choosy during the primaries. Remember the SC is basically the state that gave it the GWB during the 2000 Republican primary after Mccain had a strong NH win. They love him.
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Rexicon1 posted:I wonder what the Mythical Undecided Voter thinks of all this. 30% trump, 20% bush, 20% rubio, 15% cruz, 10% kasich, 5% carson
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icantfindaname posted:Lots of intermittent, poorly educated, low income white voters out there that agree with all that 100%. That will be an even bigger strength in the general than in the primary, because that pool of voters is not strongly ideological and grabbing them doesn't cost Trump anything in terms of core conservatives Those people are already voting Republican or not voting, and Trump will not roust them from their slumber to do anything more than yell "TRUMP" into a phone at a pollster.
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