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FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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I'm really hoping he left something he considered important unfinished so that his last moments were filled with all-consuming regret.

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FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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I agree, reading a scalia dissent was like hearing michele bachmann read a shakesperean sonnet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_q4DakaujA

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Pomp posted:

he failed to stop gay marriage

No, I mean something small in his personal life like not seeing an upcoming grandchild or leaving a stew on the stove.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/698659911400448001

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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White Genocide posted:

Is it true that judge scalia once argued for the constitutionality of putting an innocent man to death?

Yes, under the reasoning "he got a fair trial so who gives a gently caress about his innocence"

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

Sinners Sandwich did say AI.

Associate Iustice.

Worked for the Romans, just how Scalia would have liked it.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Thug Lessons posted:

Delaying the nomination until after the election makes the most sense from a functional perspective to be honest. It brings at least some level of democratic control over the least democratic branch of government.

That democratic control was exercised in 2008 and again in 2012 and it's loving shameful that there are people in this country that believe the voting populace can't look at a loving calendar and count to 4.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Thug Lessons posted:

It was also exercised in 2014, giving Republicans control of the Senate. But more to the point it would be the first time in my lifetime where the Supreme Court was an actual election issue that people could base their vote on, rather than having the court's composition decided by strategic retirement or happenstance.

So you think the American people aren't aware that the SCOTUS is appointed by the executive with the advice and consent of the Senate? I don't know where you're going with this - first you tried to insinuate the voting public doesn't know when January 20th is, now you're trying to paint us as so drat stupid that we can't tell the difference between the executive and the legislature. Going to try talking poo poo about the parties being no different next?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Thug Lessons posted:

You need to calm down and stop thinking so emotionally.

Says the guy so butthurt about the constitutional separation of powers that he's demanding they be curtailed until he gives the all clear.

Thug Lessons posted:

It would constitute significantly more political control than the 0% they currently have. Short of national referenda on justices I think delaying appointments until after the next election (including by-elections) would probably be the best way to give the public some sway over the Court.

They're lifetime appointments specifically so they aren't governed by "popular control."

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Thug Lessons posted:

No idea what this is even supposed to refer to.

:laffo:

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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It's like they aren't even aware that there are lower-level judicial positions subject to public elections, let alone that those positions have all devolved into contests of how "tough on black peoplecrime" they are.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Say hello to Chief Justice Hector Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Thug Lessons posted:

You were flipping out ten minutes ago about how I was supposedly "painting the American public as stupid" and now you are, quite literally, doing that.

Nah, I'm still giving people credit for knowing who they're voting for and how long they're granting them power, but you're still over there assuming nobody knows what the president does or how long he's in office.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Thug Lessons posted:

However I would prefer a democratic system to the one in the Constitution.

And so it boils down to the old man yells at cloud argument. No rational basis, no valid reason to call the constitution wrong, just "my opinion, maaan."

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Sydin posted:

Still easy to spin, just have to say that unlike W, Obummer is exerting executive tyranny with the overreach of his power and it's the Senate's prerogative to be the bulwark against it in all things, even SCOTUS noms. The right will eat that poo poo up like candy.

Basically this scene:

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Thug Lessons posted:

Sort of. I said that I thought a system with more democratic input would be better than leaving it entirely to politicians as it is in the current system, but also that an independent judicial board would be my preferred system.

So you would have the pool of candidates limited by an unelected council of experts or something?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Thug Lessons posted:

Yes, if you're not particularly fond of democracy and believe rule by elites is preferable, you aren't going to want election of Supreme Court justices. I don't share that view.

Elites like the bar association?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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I'm wondering if that guy is making a run for the title of smartest child on the internet.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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El Scotch posted:

You're rubbish at arguing. I need a flow-chart to follow your twisting logic.

The whole point is to be bad but voluminous in argument. It's what he does.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Everyone is actually pretty happy with the method of filling the SCOTUS bench because it provides a fair balance of public determination and electoral insulation.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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euphronius posted:

Usually when people die you say nice things about them idk.

So what was his Autobahn?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Nenonen posted:

How dead is Scalia atm and has his deadness remained stable?

1: As all hell
2: Yes according to every available indicator

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Shot through the heart, the POTUS to blame / he gave law a bad name

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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euphronius posted:

Hamdi v Rumsfeld iirc

Okay I'll grant you that.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Ceiling fan posted:

I didn't feel the need before to post the obvious, but here goes.

The world is a better place now that this rear end in a top hat is dead, and I am so happy that it finally happened.

Reading that article, yeah, gently caress him with a rake. Not only a nakedly lovely move on his part, he took the effort to twist the loving knife by "noted national concern over the abuse of class-action lawsuits in state courts" because it's the people harmed by decades of interference who are the villains here, not the fuckers who actively curtailed public disclosure of medical science for 40 years resulting in millions of preventable deaths.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Platonicsolid posted:

Nope, Congress would never allow that. Congress already loves loving around with the District, Mayor Obama would probably get them to toss home rule and bring back the Commissioners.

Correct. IIRC, they voted to legalize weed and congress was like "LOL gently caress YOUR SELF-DETERMINATION WE OWN THIS BITCH"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...0beb_story.html

FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Feb 19, 2016

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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VitalSigns posted:

Are you basing your entire argument on pretending to not know the difference between an election and an inauguration?

It's arkane.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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Al! posted:

Scalia based his entire judicial career on his claim on the ability to read the thoughts of dead men, so this isn't entirely out of line with his character.

Coincidentally in both cases it turns out the deceased agree with the erstwhile medium.

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FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

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pangstrom posted:

It's looks like a fraternity for old rich conservative catholics who like hunting. Basically a snootier moose lodge.

One might call it a deuce lodge

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