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Silegna
Aug 20, 2013

Hey, heads up. I'm about to unleash my rage.

Gologle posted:

There are two AVALANCHE organizations that exist within the world of FF7, though not concurrently. One is more terrorist than the other.

Oh, I know. The more terrorist one was also kind of a cult as well, I think.
I hope he gets into what he meant, a lot of people don't know about it.

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Tuxedo Ted
Apr 24, 2007

I've been waiting all this time for Zack to get his own fanclub.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I wonder if those guys from Wall Market that challenge Cloud to squats are part of Zack's fanclub.

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006

Silegna posted:

Oh, I know. The more terrorist one was also kind of a cult as well, I think.
I hope he gets into what he meant, a lot of people don't know about it.
I don't remember it being part of this game, so probably not. It's strictly a Before Crisis thing.

Silegna
Aug 20, 2013

Hey, heads up. I'm about to unleash my rage.

Woebin posted:

I don't remember it being part of this game, so probably not. It's strictly a Before Crisis thing.

Yeah, 99% of ff7 fans don't recognise the name "Zirconiade".

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Eh, by Wall Market standards was Don Corneo really all that much of a weirdo?

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Nashun posted:


I honestly don’t know if Zack is meant to be the biggest dumb gently caress ever and has never seen Tseng’s name in writing or if he is just super pissed at Tseng spying on his girlfriend and making fun of Tseng’s name.

Probably more the former. It's been a while since I've played CC, but I don't think Zack ever puts 2 and 2 together and clues into the darker motives behind Tseng's "observation" of Aerith. It was always kind of a "hey dude, thanks for watching over my girlfriend... for some reason..." type deal.


Zack is dumb.






And I love him for it :allears:

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Glazius posted:

Eh, by Wall Market standards was Don Corneo really all that much of a weirdo?

Probably not, but he was probably the most blatantly perverted part of that section of the game.

Nashun
Apr 18, 2015
TLDR: The Stupidity of Avalanche Mk. 1

The leader of the turks(Veld) has a daughter who is reported dead after Shinra accidentally bombs Kalm instead of wherever the gently caress they were supposed to target. Hojo is actually experimenting on her, because Hojo. He embeds some sort of super summon materia in her, but declares the experiment a failure and she is supposed to be killed. Instead she is rescued by Fuhito, an apprentice to Bugenheim and brought into AVALANCHE as an amnesiac named Elfe. Rufus Shinra starts funding them because he couldn't give a poo poo about AVALANCHE or its goals but wants to use them to kill his dad so he can take over. AVALANCHE at this point is basically eco-Al Queda and blowing poo poo up all over the world.

Eventually they get hosed up real bad by Sephiroth when they try to take over the Junon cannon and during the event that caused the Corel reactor to go kaboom. Rufus is captured here and this is when he is banished until he returns after President Shinra dies in FF7. Somewhere in this neck of the woods Veld realizes Elfe is his daughter and bam her memories are back. Over the next few years she weakens, because apparently the Materia embedded in her has been sucking her life to grant her strength. Bugenheim's apprentice takes over more power of AVALANCHE and wants to kill everyone on the planet to protect it. The Turks try to help their boss' daughter by finding four support materia to heal whatever the gently caress the summon materia is doing. After they find it, Fuhito steals it and uses it to summon ZIRCONAIDE the "Ultimate Summon" also called the "World Burner." Zirconaide is killed, Fuhito is killed, pretty much everyone that didn't gently caress off when they realized Fuhito was into genocide is killed.

Eventually Barret runs into one of the guys that hosed off before the genocide plan and is motivated to make AVALANCHE Mk. 2

This is pretty rough and possibly out of order/context since it is strictly from wiki knowledge which lacks any sort of decent comprehensive article on them so its bits and pieces from a few articles.

Derek Barona
Dec 8, 2009

WHO'S YOUR FRIEND?!
So basically, there are exactly two kinds of villains in FF7 World. You're either a genocidal maniac who wants to kill everyone because reasons, or you're an evil scientist performing genetic experiments on people who will eventually become genocidal maniacs, because science.

Silegna
Aug 20, 2013

Hey, heads up. I'm about to unleash my rage.

Derek Barona posted:

So basically, there are exactly two kinds of villains in FF7 World. You're either a genocidal maniac who wants to kill everyone because reasons, or you're an evil scientist performing genetic experiments on people who will eventually become genocidal maniacs, because science.

Or a Patricider by extension.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Is there any group on Gaia that isn't full of lunatics with blood on their hands?

Silegna
Aug 20, 2013

Hey, heads up. I'm about to unleash my rage.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Is there any group on Gaia that isn't full of lunatics with blood on their hands?

Fan clubs?

DanielCross
Aug 16, 2013

Silegna posted:

Fan clubs?

Considering some of the info they manage to get their hands on, I'm not convinced.

Nashun
Apr 18, 2015
Chapter 22: Building Relationships

Last time we wandered all over gathering only the crappiest finest of parts for our flower wagon we promised Aerith we’d make about six months back! Just about time to actually do it, but we’re in the Shinra tower so let’s look around and see if anyone has anything notable to say.


Infantryman: There were also no injuries among the infantrymen who escorted the team, sir! I am grateful that we have SOLDIER, sir! They have my utmost respect, sir!

Well, at least one guy in the army doesn’t hate our guts.


We haven’t had a chance to check in our loot box since we rushed back to save Aerith from...uh...Shinra robots? Hmm that wasn’t quite the plan. This one is disappointing. Zack already has three pairs of these!


SOLDIER 2nd Class: They’re saying Director Lazard was behind the attacks on the Shinra Building. He looked like such a good guy… I guess you really can’t judge a book by its cover.


And that’s about that for the tower this time. Pretty low key considering an all out war just erupted again with Genesis copies everywhere. This is that helmet we found last update. It wasn’t trash. Well, total trash. There was a guide to building wagons inside!


We now continue are regularly scheduled too long conversation with this kid.

Boy: It’s called street smarts, big guy! Okay! We got everything. Why don’t you head on over to Aerith’s place? I’m going home.


Boy: Yeah, right! I know better than that!

Oh yeah. The thief thinks Zack is getting some action tonight.

Boy: I’ll leave the rest up to you. Hee hee hee. Let’s do this again! I’m sure you’ll find more stuff if you look around all Midgar. See ya!

That’s our hint we can make better wagons. Luckily I’ve already scrounged all that poo poo up over the last how many ever updates.

I guess I should go see Aerith. I bet she’s waiting for me.


Let’s start making the flower wagon, then!

*banging, sawing, general construction noises*

It’s looking really good. The materials are matching perfectly!

Music: A Flower Blooming in the Slums (from FFVII ''Aerith's Theme'')


Click to Watch


It’s all about the flowers, anyway.

I want….a nicer one!

Stop being so picky!

Fight! Fight! Fight!

A tiny little wish, that’s all.




Haha. How many you got?

Hmm...twenty...three?




Of course Zack and Aerith are basically incapable of having a conversation without Zack’s phone going off. He’s so inconsiderate.

There are new developments.

What?

Headquarters. Now.

Work stuff?

Sadly.


Mmhm.


And now for something completely different.



Music: The Mako-Controlling Organization (From FFVII “Shinra Company”)

Local SOLDIER operatives have also vanished. The company is dispatching additional operatives to investigate the matter. You and I that is.


What’s wrong?

Well, you know…

I WAS shirking duty again and on a date with my girlfriend you so rudely interrupted.


The missing operatives were the ones tracking Lazard. Also, they had reported a strange podlike device in the area.


Probably the same device that was stolen in Modeoheim.

Meaning…

:cripes:

Lazard, Hollander…

...And Genesis?


Mm...Let’s go.

First, go to the SOLDIER floor. We’ll depart as soon as you and the rest of the men are ready to go.

Understood.




Depending on what happens, I may abandon Shinra.

*gasp*

Until then, I’ll remain loyal to SOLDIER.

-End Video-


Oh, hey, Zack. I heard you’re going on a new assignment with Sephiroth.

At this point I’m convinced Kunsel has a bug planted on Zack.


Looks like we won’t see each other for a while.

Yeah, I guess this is goodbye…

Hey, why the long face? Are you that sad to see me go?


I can’t resist.

Aww, I didn’t know you ca--


You still have some time, right? You should go see her before you leave.


Kunsel, you are one creepy motherfucker. But you can still be a bro.

And now we get to backtrack allll the way across Midgar to Sector 5. We basically could not be further away.


We do get a few more news bites on the way.


drat you Scarlett! Cutting into our budget!


Actually, I was given an important assignment, and I have to leave Midgar for a while.

When will you be back?




Of course!


Zacks cruel addiction to the superman pose continues.

Hey, let’s start now!

Huh? Start what?

Start filling the slums with flowers!


Cart: *godawful squeaking*




hmm...Hmm, nobodies coming.

just give it a little more time! A lot of people will come, you’ll see!


Man, she just won’t let up on this wagon we slaved away on!

Oh, a customer!


Honestly I think if a guy ran up to me effortlessly with a 6’ long sword on his back and asked me to buy flowers I would be a true goon and just poo poo my pants.

10 gil a pop! That’s a special one-day offer! You’re not gonna find a better price anywhere!


Aerith! The customer will buy if you can go down to 5 gil.

Sure. Any price is fine.


But… the customer just left…


Zack Fair: Businessman extraordinaire.

I’m sorry, Aerith…

Why are you sorry?


because you’re here with me.

Dawww. This is honestly the most functional relationship in all of Final Fantasy, and possibly all of JRPGs.




:pedo:


Click to Watch

Protecting the subject is part of surveillance duty.


Well that’s a quick turn around from WHAT THE gently caress ARE YOU DOING AROUND MY WOMAN of a few updates ago.


Hahaha.

Hey, why are you laughing!


And heightened emotions have affected the DMW! I forgot to check if it was Aerith, Tseng, or both! Maybe I will remember to check next time!

-End Video-


Raghaghiagh. Once again we are dragged back to Shinra tower, and we aren’t done yet!

You’re in luck. Sephiroth isn’t here yet. So, what are you gonna do? Are you just gonna wait here?


If we say we have no regrets we’re stuck away from Midgar for a while, so make sure you clean up any sidequests you want before you do. We still have more wagons to build! So…


One walk across town later…

If we use those materials, maybe we can make a new flower wagon!


So this is the wagon we make with the craftsman weekly, mithril tools, mithril tools, and walnut wood we ended up with.

What do you think, Aerith?






I like this one a lot. It’s the best one so far!

oh yeah!




This actually starts out identical to the first flower scene, word for word. Just with the new car model. The godawful screeching is actually still there. Premium tires my rear end.


Wow, Zack, the flowers are a big hit!


At this rate, the wagon will be empty soon.

Sorry, Zack. it will never empty. The developers couldn’t be bothered to make a cart model with less flowers. You will be trapped in an eternal purgatory of selling flowers to smiling customers.

Woman: Oh! Such beautiful flowers!

But of course they are! Because Aerith here tended to them with love and care.

Woman: Is that so?


Yeah, that’s me and Aerith’s dream. Not just the slums, either. We want to fill the whole of Midgar with flowers! If they can grow under an open blue sky, I’m sure that flowers will blossom all over Midgar.


About whether the flowers might like going to the city above?

Are you still afraid of seeing the sky?


I won’t be afraid if you are with me.

Yes, I’ll go with you. That’s a promise.


Thanks, Zack.

This time we end up back in the church instead of at Shinra HQ thank christ.


Finally, hours later and who knows how many updates(8) we finally get to harvest the fruit of our squatting labors. Hm. That didn’t quite come out like I planned.


Way to be a critic.

Zack?

It’s so cool-looking…


I love Aeris looking horrified in the background.






God drat it, Zack! You already had this conversation twice.


Researcher: I’ve never seen a model like this before! Is it a new Shinra weapon?

We definitely saved the best wagon for last.

No! It’s a flower wagon! Can’t you tell?

Would you like to buy a flower?

Researcher: No…




Researcher: I may be able to convert it into a powerful weapon.



Seriously, Zack has more than that rattling around in the lint trap of his dryer.

I made this wagon from scratch for Aerith! You can’t put a price on something like that!


hehe… I’m kidding, silly!

She’s also clearly seen the balance in his checkbook.

Okay, buddy, if you’re not buying, then move along!


Infantryman: This is where it was sighted.


Jesus, what now.






And back to the church we go.

I guess you better go do your work now.


And we check in our on Angeal copy buddy real quick before we leave.


He doesn’t respond, but seems like a chill dude for a horrifying genetic monstrosity, so we’ll take that as a yes.


Ok, three wagons down. I think we can call that a day.

Thanks for everything. Let’s finish our respective assignments quickly, and meet up again in Midgar.

Will do. Until we meet again!


Click to Watch

Music: Theme of CRISIS CORE ''To a New Post''

I’m having a little trouble rounding up the group…

We’re in a hurry, let’s move it!

In so much of a hurry you built two wagons and sold flowers and fought off the Shinra army over your doom wagon.

Sir!




Apparently they’ve worked together enough to get a secret arm bump greeting going on.

Thanks. Hold on, I’ll get everyone.




By the way, where are we going?


Oh. Ooooh. It’s going to be a REAL long time back, isn’t it?


I have no idea why Tseng gets the end of chapter image instead of Aerith and the cart. Oh well. And yeah, we just passed the point of no return for Crisis Core. If you missed out on any of the side quests in Midgar, oh well you ain’t getting them now. We can still freely do our missions from the save point, though there are some you can’t do if you hadn’t already talked to the quest giver.

So hold onto your butts, cause it’s this ride is about to get bumpy.

Nashun fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jun 18, 2016

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Of course Zack gets a fanclub right before the part where poo poo hits the fan and he can't appreciate it.

Derek Barona
Dec 8, 2009

WHO'S YOUR FRIEND?!
Anyone watching this or playing it for the first time who got to this point, even knowing what he was about to say, that claims they didn't get a serious chill down their spines at "To Nibelheim." is a goddamn liar.

Silegna
Aug 20, 2013

Hey, heads up. I'm about to unleash my rage.

Derek Barona posted:

Anyone watching this or playing it for the first time who got to this point, even knowing what he was about to say, that claims they didn't get a serious chill down their spines at "To Nibelheim." is a goddamn liar.

Makes Sephiroth's announcing he plans to leave SHINRA even worse.

SMaster777
Dec 17, 2013

I wish this was my Smash main.

Derek Barona posted:

Anyone watching this or playing it for the first time who got to this point, even knowing what he was about to say, that claims they didn't get a serious chill down their spines at "To Nibelheim." is a goddamn liar.

Its really the best bit of storytelling this game has, IMO. You've seen Sephy be a total bro to pretty much everyone (most notably Angeal, Genesis and Zack). You've come to appreciate him as an actual good guy for once. You've learned and realized that he really is the hero the FF7 world's lore made him out to be.



And yet, its here that you realize, he's going to jump right off the slippery slope and never look back. And because this is the prequel, there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

<3
This is the part, in retrospect, where Crisis Core really ups the tragic and sad factors and the years really start comin' and they don't stop comin'.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

The Mak-controlling company. :lol: Assuming they used the English word controlling, I can tell that pun worked perfectly in Japanese. Here? Not so much.

Also :facepalm: is :ughh:, :doh: or :cripes:.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Well, poo poo. This is going to be an interesting perspective. I figured all of these copies would bite the dust before now.

Nashun
Apr 18, 2015
So this isn't dead, but it may be a week or two before an update. My schedule is kind of a dumpster fire with a 4 day vacation in the middle where I sure as hell won't be playing video games for the internet. I may sneak one in between the 4th and my trip that weekend but I won't guarantee it.

Schwartzcough
Aug 12, 2009

Don't tease the Octopus, kids!
Thanks for the heads-up. I hope you have a nice dumpster fire.

Nashun
Apr 18, 2015
Chapter 23: Echoes

It’s been a long road. There have been fan clubs, and Genesis invasions, and even a little romance. But in the end it all really comes down to Nibelheim. As I said in the beginning, this game can only go where its rails take it and the biggest station has to be Nibelheim.


Click to Watch

Music: A Closed Off Village (from FFVII ''Anxious Heart'')

To be home after all this time. I have no hometown. I wouldn’t know.


And here it is, the bigger twist that was kind of hilariously shielded by Aerith dying in FF7. Now we get to just go through in reality. Not Cloud’s wrong memory or the hosed up mess that is inside his head, but what really went down. Well, mostly. Things ARE a bit different this go round.


The geometry is a bit changed, but the general layout is the same. The emphasis also shifts from just Cloud(Zack) and Sephiroth to the extra infantry as well. It makes sense with us knowing Cloud is here.

Uh...what about family?

My mother’s name is Jenova. She died shortly after I was born. My father…


Hahaha

With knowledge of late game FF7, this bit of conversation now really strikes me as weird. So the last conversation before Hojo turns himself into a horrible monstrosity makes it seem like Sephiroth has no idea who his father is(Hojo).

I suppose it’s possible at this point he knows or at least suspects it though. He did go through a ton of archives trying to figure out what the gently caress was up with Angeal and Genesis. The context is definitely weird within what is known in FF7 itself though.


Come on. Let’s go.


Zack is actually one of the few non-Shinra scientists/executives in possession of any knowledge of Jenova. Hollander made it sound like the files were pretty much purged of most of the information on her.

-End Video-


You’re bored, huh?

Infantryman: Practice… Oh, the posing? SOLDIER members must always be conscious of their public image, right? So, how does it go again?


Err, yeah, especially the hip thrust.

Hey, that’s quite an improvement!


Well you could have told us before hand, ya jerk.

This is actually a call back to this scene. In the flashback Zack/Cloud DID show that guy how to pose.


This is also straight out of the FF7 flashback. Though 15+ years later I still don’t understand why Zack/Cloud would get in trouble for looking around town.




Jesus Christ, Tifa. What are you wearing?


It is largely the same costume, but way with way more skin showing. But seriously, what mother lets her leave the house looking like that. (Edit: A dead one, I totally forgot about that)

yeah, my name is Zack, and I’m with SOLDIER. 1st Class, mind you, 1st Class!

Huh.

What do you mean, “Huh”?

are there a lot of SOLDIER 1st Classes?


It makes sense Cloud never brings up this conversation. Presumably he’s currently at Tifa’s house being a loving creep and looking in her underwear drawer or maybe at his mom’s.

They only sent two?

Yeah, me and Sephiroth.




Tifa looks like she wants to ask us something but then just loving books it instead.

Weird girl.

You don’t know the half of it, brother.


Only one of you needs to keep watch. Make sure you get some rest as well.


You have permission to go visit family and friends, if you so wish.

Oh. I guess Cloud was just being a coward avoiding Tifa, not being a creeper yet.

Nibelheim, huh…


It’s...personal.

Weirdo.

Zack telling it like it is.


Man: I want to take a picture of Sephiroth fighting a monster. I want it to be a memorable shot.


Why would Zack do anything but the one that feeds his ego?


Hey, man. You forgot what game we’re in. I’m the hero this time!


Boy: But we’re no strangers to strange things in this town, heh heh. In fact, we have what we like to call the town’s “Seven Wonders.” Are you interested?

Oh, definitely.

And you thought being away from Midgar would protect us from dumb side quests. Well, Im not really interested but I do want some of the loot that I get from this.


I don’t know if this is a Japanese thing or a Squeenix of this era thing but this sort of scavenger hunt also came up in Kingdom Hearts 2.


Boy: *shiver* Oooh, scary! *shudder* That can’t be right...can it? Once you discover the secret of this wonder, come back and tell me.

This one is super quick AND super easy.


Let’s climb this well tower! No heartfelt promises will be made this time though.


I’m not sure that is how materia works, but sure. We’ll go with that.


And our reward for walking 10 feet is adding Phoenix to our DMW. Not a bad deal honestly. It does fire damage and gives us Raise. Which is nice because the potion lady in Shinra Tower won’t be seeing us anytime soon.


Getting close! I think they are all actually available at this point but I still have more missions to grind through.


Boy: Aw, that’s not exciting at all...oh well. But now listen to this… The next wonder HAS to be real. I get goosebumps just thinking about it!


Not yet, but this sounds interesting.

Zack Fair: Enjoys lying to kids.

Boy: Well, go take a look right now. Second floor of the inn, the wall opposite the bed.

Fine, don’t just tell us. Make us wander over.


This solidifies that Cloud WAS one of those rookies. So I guess in the background he washed out of SOLDIER. I mean, we really don’t have time for him to try again at this point.


Sephiroth is just chilling upstairs where we saw him all the time in FF7. Talking to him is the way to time skip tomorrow so will just pass for now.


2 spooky 4 me.


Boy: I guess it’s a cute painting, but isn’t it also kind of...eerie? The second wonder is…


Well, it’s a more exciting start than materia in the well.

Boy: *Shiver* oooh, scary! *shudder* That can’t be right, can it?

Have I mentioned before the brick walls to pacing this game likes to offer up. Yes? Well, ok. Then just consider this a reminder. We are RIGHT on the edge of the most pivotal moment in all of FF7 and we are off loving around on lovely local ghost stories.


Well, at least this one seems to have something to it.


You could kind of drive yourself a little nuts solving this one. Basically we need to wait until the male innkeeper heads upstairs and follow him. This may take running up and down the stairs a few times.


What’s all this then! Some mastermind trying to gin up business by creating fake ghost stories?


Caught in the act you fiend!

Clerk: You found it!


Clerk: I hide the money behind paintings and whatnot. I sometimes use it to go gambling, and end up losing it all.

All right, so you keep a nest egg, but why does the painting change?

Clerk: Oh, this is actually a two-sided painting. One side has the girl sitting in it, the other side doesn’t.


Clerk: So, sometimes I forget whether I have any money saved up or not.

Well, this is officially lamer than the materia in the water.

Clerk: when the girl is there, there’s gil. When she’s not there, there’s no gil. Pretty easy to remember, right? It’s kind of like a memo for me. I hope you’ll do me a favor and not tell my wife about this.


Oh, we are very reliable in this type of situation, sir. Though you don’t pay as well as Shinra execs smoochin’ in the VR room.


Boy: Eh, I don’t understand grownup stuff. In any case, I guess it wasn’t a wonder at all?


Boy: Well, the most dangerous monsters there are the bombs. Now, rumor has it one of the bombs is different from all the others. No one has seen it yet, but they say that it has a different face.

Kid, your story doesn’t add up. How can they know the face is different if no one has seen it!

Boy: They say it drops this special kind of item. If you can get it, then bring it to me.


Mt. Nibel: Even uglier when not pre-rendered!


Bombs are the primary enemy in this area, though not the ones we are looking for. You go through a bit more of town to get there, but there is barely anything to do anything besides the wonders and move the plot forward



Somehow this group of dumbfuck kids made it all the way here. They all have advice of varying levels of usefulness. This one tells us we get a special reward if we keep them from exploding.


You should have listened to him, idiot! Kid 2 tells us the “Wonder” bomb gets smaller if we hit it.


He tells us to just hit the ones that look like they’re about to explode.


These birds also hang around here, but aren’t anything to write home about.


Finally found the special ones! Who just kind of have splotches of black on their face.


You can’t actually damage them while they are doing a size change. Also drat they get big.


Click for Motherfucking Cactuar Time


And a level up to boot.








Jesus! RIP that bomb. Seriously, watch the video. Zack doing the Cactuar dance is amazing.


These guys basically just get big and explode, you are unlikely to even be attacked by them. So just punch the biggest and it’s no problem.


Boy: I guess that was a real wonder. Well, as a token of appreciation…


Safety Bit prevents instant death. I think I have one already, but if you don’t it’s real handy to have on hand especially for side missions.

Boy: Do you know about Shinra Manor? It’s an old mansion in back of the town. We call it the haunted mansion.


Boy: But no one knows the code to open the safe, so we can’t check what’s inside.

A locked safe with an asinine combination you say? Sounds familiar.


Apparently it’s mail time because we get blasted with 3 e-mails on our way to the mansion.

And maybe our old “friends” are to blame over some of the poo poo going on here. Apparently the pod passed through town. God knows why since this is the rear end end of nowhere.


Sorry, I have it on good authority from Cid loving Highwind that it’s boring garbage. She does know Zack well though.


Ah, finally important news. Also whoever gave them this info is a god damned liar. Zack hits on anything female in his vicinity all the time. Thanks for whitewashing us “Black Suit”. CERTAINLY not Cissnei.


Ah such memories we have. If only we could have left Vincent locked in the basement and avoided Dirge of Cerberus.



Music: The Gloomy Mansion


Our first step is to run to the safe room which is in the back left of the upstairs. We find a note with our vague video game safe combination hints.


“Knowledge overflowing” is in the back right.


Basically count all the books that aren’t on a shelf. So on the top of the bookshelves, on the chair, or on the ground.


“Unwelcome Faces” is back in the main hall. We look through the right door to count Funny Faces. A bit on the nose. These can be a pain since they can be riiiight on the edge of your view and drift in and out.


Back upstairs in the non-safe room we need to count Banora Apples and food cans to get “Tasy reminders of home.” Don’t count the potions!


And back downstairs in the left hall we need to count chairs for “Resting on All Four Feet”. :effort:

You actually need to go through the effort and count these, unlike in FF7’s mansion. There is some randomness to it.


So let’s see what are hard work earned us! Hopefully not a fight with Missing Number.


I told you that mission briefing Cactuar would make a comeback! Apparently he’s been locked in this safe the whole time! Whew, the secret data was SAFE.


Uh, yeah. Let’s tell no one about this.


SO this is actually the sweet materia I thought I got a few updates ago. Vital Slash is a guaranteed 9999 damage vs. most enemies. It does have a pretty big swing charge time though.


Yes. That was it. It wasn’t carrying secret information. In fact, you didn’t even hear it was a cactuar.

Boy: I guess it got trapped in there, huh? Maybe it wasn’t laughing, but was actually calling out for help.

:smith:

Boy: When you think about it that way, maybe we did a good thing?

:unsmith:


Boy: Did you know there are caverns underneath Shinra Manor? Well, you can hear these blood curdling moans coming from deep within. To get down there, you have to use these secret stairs from the second floor of the mansion.

They can’t be that secret if some 10 year old kid knows about them!


This kid must be related to Kunsel.

But for now we can’t actually check on the fifth wonder. Plot must move forward. Time must crawl inexorably towards a dark and twisted future. Past. Uh, something. Let’s just look forward to it next time unencumbered by dumb sidequests.

Nashun fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Jul 6, 2016

Derek Barona
Dec 8, 2009

WHO'S YOUR FRIEND?!
Jesus Christ, even with the pacing being shot to hell just BEING here is making me tense. And that laugh he did at the start is just... :stonklol:

Schwartzcough
Aug 12, 2009

Don't tease the Octopus, kids!
So Cissnei doesn't die or anything? Just seems weird for her to be introduced as a minor character, and then just kinda evaporate into irrelevance as of FFVII. But I guess they needed more females on the cast.

And how old is Tifa supposed to be here? Seems like she should be too young for the hooker cowboy look. But I guess not if she's about Cloud's age, and he's in the military.

SMaster777
Dec 17, 2013

I wish this was my Smash main.

Schwartzcough posted:

So Cissnei doesn't die or anything? Just seems weird for her to be introduced as a minor character, and then just kinda evaporate into irrelevance as of FFVII. But I guess they needed more females on the cast.

And how old is Tifa supposed to be here? Seems like she should be too young for the hooker cowboy look. But I guess not if she's about Cloud's age, and he's in the military.

Its because of that JP-only game, Before Crisis, that Cissnei exists. In BC, the player is a fully customizable turk, and generally speaking they're referred to by their weapon and gender, IE "Rod (Male)" when speaking of a specific turk from the game. Its plot has some crossover with Crisis Core's, so they took Shuriken (Female) and made her Cissnei.

Tifa is 20 in FF7, and Nibelheim is 5 years prior, so..... yeah..... she's 15 here....

CmdrKing
Oct 14, 2012

Maybe if I called it 'Interpretive Stabbing'...

Nashun posted:




Jesus Christ, Tifa. What are you wearing?


It is largely the same costume, but way with way more skin showing. But seriously, what mother lets her leave the house looking like that.


A dead one!

As I recall Tifa's dad is some sorta village chief or whatever, so presumably he's hosed off to bury himself in work and Tifa had to just raise herself since she was 8 or whatever it was. Probably saw the wrong movie on Shinra-1 News and decided to copy the look of the lead in Sultry Back Door Chocobo-Handler.

Nashun
Apr 18, 2015
I totally forgot Tifa's mom was MIA.

I'm now envisioning a sitcom where Tifa's dad and Cloud's mom get married and wacky hijinks ensue.

Nashun fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Jul 6, 2016

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Derek Barona posted:

Jesus Christ, even with the pacing being shot to hell just BEING here is making me tense. And that laugh he did at the start is just... :stonklol:

Nothing good ever happens in Nibelheim.

Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Jul 6, 2016

ZoninSilver
May 30, 2011

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Nothing good ever happens in Nibelheim.

Zack did the cactuar dance, so clearly this is wrong. :colbert:

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.
The seven mysteries thing is a recurring thing in Japanese anime and manga, mostly in a school setting.

Guy Fawkes
Aug 1, 2014

Lvl 62, +5 meadow defense

Nashun posted:




Jesus Christ, Tifa. What are you wearing?






Sorry, but the citation was sort of necessary......

Sylphosaurus
Sep 6, 2007
Oh man, that loving Cactuar dance had me in stitches.

Derek Barona
Dec 8, 2009

WHO'S YOUR FRIEND?!

Guy Fawkes posted:



Sorry, but the citation was sort of necessary......

Pfffffffffffffff that last panel.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Yeah, the inevitability of this moment is just kind of hanging overhead, whatever goes on.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I wonder if Angeal could have prevented Sephiroth's insanity if he'd been here. Genesis would have undoubtedly made things worse, though, because he's a total jerk. He probably would just whine about how he deserves to be made from alien DNA more.

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.
I wonder how the inevitable scene is going to look in the FF7 remake.

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Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Glazius posted:

Yeah, the inevitability of this moment is just kind of hanging overhead, whatever goes on.

Which means it's the perfect time for us to catch up on our sidequests!

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

I wonder if Angeal could have prevented Sephiroth's insanity if he'd been here. Genesis would have undoubtedly made things worse, though, because he's a total jerk. He probably would just whine about how he deserves to be made from alien DNA more.

Yeah, it's kind of sad to see Sephiroth now, before what we all know happens. Because he seems to be a decent human being. He knows something's up with Cloud and doesn't want to call attention to it but does free him to go see his parents if he wants to. He's also conflicted with his feelings about Genesis but he's honest about them.


Hojo really is the worst father.

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