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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

My favorite thing about the Fukumoto manga I've read is how they always sympathize heavily with the working class and generally involves a lot of empathy towards people in bad situations.

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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Petiso posted:

The way years pass by in this manga like it's nothing is giving me existential dread.

It is accurate! FKMT understands the human condition.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I'm kind of curious if Nikaidou is ever going to actually become successful at golf, since everything we've seen indicates that he's just straight-up not good enough, with Nikaidou himself commenting on how Kirishima is simply more skilled than him during practice. So even if Nikaidou has been getting unlucky during the pro test and could conceivably pass it, he just doesn't seem to have a very bright future in the sport (and this doesn't seem like the sort of series where there'd be a sudden turn-around without some sort of reasonable explanation).

Also, was it ever explained what the deal with the little shadow man early on was? Is that just supposed to be his self-doubt or something? I don't remember seeing it any time recently.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I feel bad that I burst out laughing when Kasumi in the caterpillar suit appeared during the idol performance. It was so pitiful that it crossed the line into funny.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

CodfishCartographer posted:

It's hard to say, as there really isn't a "good" option for Nikaidou involving golf. He's obviously good at golf, just not to the point where he can be a professional - so like you said, I doubt he'd be able to be successful even if he did pass the test. Theoretically his arc should be about him accepting that he's just not going to be good enough...but then where does that leave him? He's seemingly devoted his whole life to this dream, if it doesn't work out then there's not really anywhere for him to go. If he quits, does he just work at the golf club until he retires? The typical shonen solution would be he hunkers down and devotes himself to a training arc and finally improves to the point of success, but this very obviously isn't that kind of story. This is a much more brutally realistic story, and realistically that just isn't going to happen.

I think the only good outcome for him is to quit, but find happiness and fulfillment in something else. I suspect this is partially why it's called "Hell" golf - the sport itself is Nikaidou's own personal hell that he can't escape until he leaves the game itself. However knowing how stubborn he is, I kind of doubt he'll ever let that happen.

Maybe he can teach golf or something. That's seemingly the main path you can go down (that still involves music) if you try to get professional at classical music and can't pull it off. Though I have no loving idea how stuff like this even works for golf. It's a weird sport! Are golf tutors even a thing?

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Petiso posted:

Nikaidou's story would certainly fit one of those stereotypical old grumpy trainer characters that couldn't realize his dream and tries to live it through the pupil they reluctantly take.

Then again, on one hand, those characters are usually legitimately good at what they do, on the other hand, a loser golfer getting a loser trainer is the kind of story that certainly fits FKMT's style.

Tbf Nikaidou is probably quite good, even if he isn't pro-level. The guy's been basically practicing golf full-time for almost his entire adult life. He might be good at teaching people up to a pretty high level.

Nikaidou's level of "talent" in general is a bit unclear, though. I get the impression that his early progress was unusually fast. And he did better in his first few tests than he's doing in his current ones, which does point towards there maybe being some sort of mindset barrier. So his career trajectory isn't exactly consistent with "a guy who has always just been kind of mediocre."

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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

This is unrelated, but I really liked the whole scene at the swing with Kirishima (and the dynamic between Kirishima and Nikaidou in general). Just everything about the actions/reactions on both sides was extremely believable. And then later, when Kirishima quits, and the narrator points out that he was absolutely taking Nikaidou seriously at the time.

I can't really think of any other manga authors who portray people so realistic/unvarnished way.

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