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I really like the period, the music and the concept but Richie is just such a loving rear end in a top hat with no redeeming qualities and he's not interesting either.
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Lord Tywin posted:I really like the period, the music and the concept but Richie is just such a loving rear end in a top hat with no redeeming qualities and he's not interesting either. I enjoyed the latest episode, especially the Col Parker and Elvis parts, but, yeah, after that reveal at the end, I just don't see how the writers of this show can expect anyone to ever empathize with the main character again, and the fact that the main character just doesn't have the qualities that would still make you interested in and root for the hosed-up antihero leads of a lot of the other Scorcese projects this show emulates just sorta drags the show down. It's like I feel like the season should be leading to his death, but I know that's not gonna happen cuz there's going to be more seasons. The show also fucks up with other characters too. The frizzy blonde chick is so much less interesting to me now that I know she's just going through a "gently caress you, Mom" phase and can just go inherit a company and tons of money if the Nasty Bits don't work out for her, have no idea why the writers would think this would make for something interesting to get you invested in a character, unless they're aiming to make everyone on this show as unappealing as possible. Also, is Hannibal supposed to be a stand in for a familiar, famous music star, or is he just another Nasty Bits, in that he's just a generic representative of funk, instead of punk? Also also, Hocus Pocus by Focus was awesome, dudes on the show dissin it made me hate them much more than anything else they've done so far
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Hannibal is a fictional amalgam of R&B stars they invented. A big part of the show's attitude problem is that it keeps sticking in sneering, rib-elbowing dismissals of perfectly fine acts that the audience is nevertheless supposed to take at face value as bad to be "in the know", like that Jethro Tull dig early on. Every now and then it's like having someone's alcoholic grandpa over your shoulder waiting to blurt out "NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC!". "rockist" in the free world, maaaahn! Also, the show commits a huge HBO sin I haven't seen anyone else mention - the opening loving suuuuuuucks. 2 minutes of compulsively skippable noise and boring visuals
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Mar 28, 2016 22:28
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TheRationalRedditor posted:Also, the show commits a huge HBO sin I haven't seen anyone else mention - the opening loving suuuuuuucks. 2 minutes of compulsively skippable noise and boring visuals I would actually disagree with this, I think the opening is pretty cool! Yeah, saw last night's episode, not really much to say. Don't know enough about late Elvis (or even early Elvis for that matter) to know whether or not their casting was good, but I was reasonably entertained by the Elvis scenes so I guess it's cool. Richie and the plot in general suck, the music and fashion are cool. I'll be amazed if this show turns it around and becomes anything more than that before the season finale.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:32
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That impersonator's performance was legitimately one of the very best things in the whole show so far, he was extremely good at playing middle downward spiral Elvis
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TheRationalRedditor posted:Hannibal is a fictional amalgam of R&B stars they invented. Alright, I thought he might've been a stand in for Sly Stone for some reason, maybe just wishful thinking, as that dude's life n career had more than enough drama worthy of it's own prestige show. In regards to your second paragraph, they went way over the top with that poo poo this latest episode with how they had the supposed "REAL FUCKIN ROCK" insider experts reacting to Elvis during and after his performance. Sure, Elvis was in a decline, but it's already been made fun of so, so much over the past decades in every form of entertainment medium that's it's so unnecessary for them to have a character belaboring the point. Plus, even at that point in time, Elvis was still way more awesome and cool than most anyone could ever hope to be, especially any character on or writer for this show, so glad he got to bust out one of his dope karate moves to disarm and put down Finestra both figuratively and literally Oh, also agree about the opening credits sequence. The whole weird, super close up imaging of the needle on the vinyl record was interesting to watch the first time, but not so much after that, and the rest of the opening seems like some cliche generic commercial to make some new product look cool and hip savinhill fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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savinhill posted:Oh, also agree about the opening credits sequence. The whole weird, super close up imaging of the needle on the vinyl record was interesting to watch the first time, but not so much after that, and the rest of the opening seems like some cliche generic commercial to make some new product look cool and hip
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TheRationalRedditor posted:Exactly, the very first time I was like "oh this microscope LP is neat". And then it gives way to vibrating cocaine and stock b&w in AfterEffects filtervision for 2 fuckin minutes. Seriously, it's longer than GoT's intro without a memorable, triumphantly tuneful theme to justify any of it I love the opening sequence but I think I go through "HBO Intro Stockholm Syndrome" with every show they put on - Boardwalk, Treme, Luck, both seasons of Leftovers - where I'm cold on the intro at first but eventually I come around on it and I look forward to watching the whole thing. And really, at this point, Vinyl's opening is the best part of the show! I was really enjoying this episode until the reveal started, then I said "gently caress YOU!" and fast-forwarded until I saw, yeah, Richie's still a piece of poo poo. I just can't fathom where they're taking this...it's like the writer's room read the litany of thinkpieces about how every "prestige" drama is built around a white male anti-hero and they took that as some kind of challenge. I hate Richie! I don't want to see this rear end in a top hat get a redemption story! At this point all I want to do is see his coked-up rear end fall through a glass table and die at the end of the season, and HBO to pull a "whoops we sobered up and looked at these ratings and we're cancelling the renewal on this show" like they did for The Brink.
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Conventional wisdom is that you can't polish a turd. HBO is proving conventional wisdom wrong. In many ways this show is a turd, but I'll be damned if the HBO magic hasn't made a pretty entertaining turd.
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JethroMcB posted:I was really enjoying this episode until the reveal started, then I said "gently caress YOU!" and fast-forwarded until I saw, yeah, Richie's still a piece of poo poo. I just can't fathom where they're taking this...it's like the writer's room read the litany of thinkpieces about how every "prestige" drama is built around a white male anti-hero and they took that as some kind of challenge. I hate Richie! I don't want to see this rear end in a top hat get a redemption story! At this point all I want to do is see his coked-up rear end fall through a glass table and die at the end of the season, and HBO to pull a "whoops we sobered up and looked at these ratings and we're cancelling the renewal on this show" like they did for The Brink. There's nothing wrong with a protagonist being a selfish piece of poo poo in good drama, it's a huge part of what made 'The Sopranos' so masterful. Vinyl's problem is that Richie's story is nowhere near interesting enough to justify what a loathsome hunk of garbage he is, and there is no sign yet of any room for revelatory growth or potential that's worth getting invested in. This is a bad place to be 7 episodes deep into a season of 10
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Mar 29, 2016 04:10
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Vinyls problem is that it's the most derivative show I've ever seen
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JethroMcB posted:"whoops we sobered up and looked at these ratings and we're cancelling the renewal on this show" like they did for The Brink. Wait, what? Also, yeah, I don't want or care about a redemption story. I'm all in for Team Cops.
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TheRationalRedditor posted:There's nothing wrong with a protagonist being a selfish piece of poo poo in good drama, it's a huge part of what made 'The Sopranos' so masterful. Vinyl's problem is that Richie's story is nowhere near interesting enough to justify what a loathsome hunk of garbage he is, and there is no sign yet of any room for revelatory growth or potential that's worth getting invested in. This is a bad place to be 7 episodes deep into a season of 10 Exactly. Tony was a multifaceted character, and Gandolfini's performance kept you guessing as to whether he hated his own actions or reveled in them; you'd at the very least see him realize how he'd hurt someone, whether he felt remorse for it or not. Richie meanwhile is just a caricature of a coke fiend who keeps screwing over everybody in his life without really realizing it, much less even internalizing it - he left his partners high and dry without warning, mistreated his wife and drove her away with children in tow, but all he cares about is how it affects him in that moment. There's no moment of clarity for Richie, no humanity for him, it's just assign blame and do another line. Bulky Bartokomous posted:Wait, what? HBO renewed The Brink last July, about halfway through the initial run of episodes. Fast forward three months, and suddenly word hits the trades that the show would not be going forward with a second season. It was a very odd (and very rare) about-face for HBO, especially since the show was doing decent ratings. Better ratings than Vinyl's doing, by a long shot.
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The Brink was so much fun, too bad it was cancelled. This episode was so odd. Richie goes on the wagon, so suddenly Zak has to go completely out of character and become the out of control irresponsible and horny coke snorting drunk. Just for this episode. Just...because. And even when sober, Richie is still a complete rear end in a top hat, taking the money, gambling it away and blaming Zak. And in the previous episodes American Century was cutting its old acts and only wanted to discover new music, so they go after... Elvis?! Why? How? They couldn't afford to poach him away from RCA even if Col Tom completely lost his mind and agreed to sign with them. savinhill posted:Plus, even at that point in time, Elvis was still way more awesome and cool than most anyone could ever hope to be, especially any character on or writer for this show, so glad he got to bust out one of his dope karate moves to disarm and put down Finestra both figuratively and literally  JethroMcB posted:Exactly. Tony was a multifaceted character, and Gandolfini's performance kept you guessing as to whether he hated his own actions or reveled in them; you'd at the very least see him realize how he'd hurt someone, whether he felt remorse for it or not. Richie meanwhile is just a caricature of a coke fiend who keeps screwing over everybody in his life without really realizing it, much less even internalizing it - he left his partners high and dry without warning, mistreated his wife and drove her away with children in tow, but all he cares about is how it affects him in that moment. There's no moment of clarity for Richie, no humanity for him, it's just assign blame and do another line. And if we're going to see Jamie and Clark on the fire escape sharing their hopes and dreams, there should be more of that and I sure hope something comes out of their story arcs. Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Mar 30, 2016 12:50
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Oh man they canceled The Brink? I missed that news. :-(
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AAA DOLFAN posted:Oh man they canceled The Brink? I missed that news. :-( The Finer Arts > The TV IV > Vinyl - did you hear they cancelled The Brink?
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:The Finer Arts > The TV IV > Vinyl - did you hear they cancelled The Brink? The Finer Arts > The TV IV > Vinyl - "Don Draper was too likable." - Martin Scorsese
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Apr 3, 2016 01:18
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The Finer Arts > The TV IV > Vinyl -"You Can Smell The Cocaine Sweating Out Of Richie"
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A new episode of the HBO Premiere Series "Vinyl" aired last night That's my hot take
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Did Ray Ramano just sign Jobriath?
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Lending money from the mob seems like a great idea. However, it makes me quite hopeful that Richie will end up dead at the end of the season!
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TheRationalRedditor posted:Hannibal is a fictional amalgam of R&B stars they invented. I also noticed the dig at Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. "Every mop head in America is contemplating that drat pyramid, blah blah blah..." A lot of that is Mick Jagger's longtime back and forth with David Gilmour and Roger Waters, even tho he uses a lot of their ideas and stage designers for Stones tours. It is really annoying, and I picture some teens watching this show and believing that poo poo too. Richard Hell even brought up Vinyl's portrayal of drug usage: why does every time someone (Richie) do cocaine, they scream and act like someone just shoved a steel pipe up their rear end rather than just doing a line and giving a smile? I like the idea of this show, and I like the 70s, but it just seems like they are trying way to hard to brain wash young hipster wannabe's, like Oliver Stone's Doors movie. Every old timer I knew was turned off by that movie, especially the ones who actually saw The Doors in concert in the 60s. They stated there was no way they would've wasted their money on what Val Kilmer portrayed.
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That was a pretty good episode, because it was mostly played for laughs, and because of the EAB chord progression song. Funniest bit was the designer guy who got fired, claiming to have given Bread a hit song and then placing a devil-worshipping curse on everyone. Bread was just so bland and non-demonic it's an amazing juxtaposition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvsHkyqzy9M
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Gimmedaroot posted:Richard Hell even brought up Vinyl's portrayal of drug usage: why does every time someone (Richie) do cocaine, they scream and act like someone just shoved a steel pipe up their rear end rather than just doing a line and giving a smile?
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Binary Logic posted:That was a pretty good episode, because it was mostly played for laughs, and because of the EAB chord progression song. Twarn't nothing but a ripoff of Axis of Awesome
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Finndo posted:Twarn't nothing but a ripoff of Axis of Awesome This sort of medley has been done many times, by many people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0lcdXJ4wG8 and I also liked that in this episode the police caught up with Richie and have that recording. He might weasel out of it somehow but at least his murderous actions are having consequences. Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Apr 5, 2016 |
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Apr 5, 2016 12:35
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Lord Tywin posted:Lending money from the mob seems like a great idea. However, it makes me quite hopeful that Richie will end up dead at the end of the season! I just hope the scary mob guy(Corrado?) comes in the office once an episode from now on and gleefully performs his over-the-shoulder-cord-choke-holder to one of the lovely characters on this show while Julie cheers him on and kisses his rear end, leading to mob guy running the label/being the main character with Julie his second in command next season.
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Heaven help me I am really starting to like this show.
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Heaven help me I am really starting to like this show. Because Clark from the mailroom might have found a new act! The show has a unique tone due to the skewed reality it exists in. For me the more it's about music and the industry the more fun it is to watch.
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Binary Logic posted:This sort of medley has been done many times, by many people. This was interesting, thanks, but not really the same sort of medley (where a bunch of different songs are revealed to be, at bottom, the same song) as sung by Little Jimmy Little or the bearded goon. If there are others, I'd love to see them.
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Finndo posted:This was interesting, thanks, but not really the same sort of medley (where a bunch of different songs are revealed to be, at bottom, the same song) as sung by Little Jimmy Little or the bearded goon. If there are others, I'd love to see them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM And this is not the same thing at all but really great and worth a listen, Jeffrey Lewis performs The History of Punk on the Lower East Side 1950-1975 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88QLxLHQW_M Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Apr 6, 2016 04:59
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The murder subplot is so drat unnecessary ...
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Is True Detective coming back? season was abysmal
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doo doo doo doo SA TVIV Headline Compilerbot interrupting this thread with breaking news:quote:‘Vinyl’ Showrunner Terence Winter Exits HBO Series, New Showrunner Named Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Apr 9, 2016 |
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Binary Logic posted:doo doo doo doo SA TVIV Headline Compilerbot interrupting this thread with breaking news: I was coming here to post that but, yeah...this was Winter's dream project along with Scorsese's, so that takes the wind of its sails. I imagine the murder plot also made more sense when Vinyl was originally going to be a movie.
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This show is so hard to watch...
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MoPZiG posted:This show is so hard to watch... It gets a lot easier when olivia wilde and her amazing cheekbones are on screen
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zVxTeflon posted:It gets a lot easier when olivia wilde and her amazing cheekbones are on screen You mean bush right?
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Harton posted:You mean bush right? That was what the producers believed to be a 70's era accurate Merkin, but much like a lot of other things they believe, it wasn't even close to authentic.
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