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Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

Quality posting direct from my brain to your face holes.
Tina Peshmerganina REACTS to almost getting bullet to face and you'll LOL at what happens NEXT!

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Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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Duke Chin posted:

lil late but I'm still here pew pews and ka booms outside so here

http://i.imgur.com/LiI4w1O.mp4

My whole life has been a lie

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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The big strykers had a problem with tipping over when firing their mobile gun variant, but that was a direct fire variant I believe.

Makes me wonder if direct fire guns have anything notably different than indirect. So I did some internet research.

Indirect fire weapons can (and should) shoot beyond line of sight. A 155mm artillery piece for example has a much longer range because it's using a lot of propellant (powder). But also because it points up instead of ahead, duh. I don't know how much propellant is used in a tank or stryker MGS, but I have difficulty imagining fitting an equivalent amount in that tiny little metal cave.

An abrahams gun according to the internet fires a 40lb projectile with a muzzle velocity of 1600m/s whereas a M777 fires a 90lb projectile at charge 8 super with a MV of 827m/s. All of those figures vary based on target range, projectile used, propellant temperature, etc. But it does appear that our big artillery gun fires a project ~2x the weight at ~1/2 the muzzle velocity, which suggests the same amount of energy is being transferred. The ratio of what's absorbed by the projectile and what's absorbed by the chassis and tube is....??? I am not a physicist. I trained on slide rules and tabular firing tables.

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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Back in my day we used to mark up our kills, not give ourselves awards just for showing up and popping off a few rounds

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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War is stupid

Think of all the cool vets from other countries we can't drink with because we had to kill each other

gently caress

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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new game of thrones spinoff looking good

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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I've long since retired and my son's moved away
I called him up just the other day
I said, I'd like to see you if you don't mind
He said, I'd love to, dad, if I could find the time
You see, my new job's a hassle, and the kid's got the flu
But it's sure nice talking to you, dad
It's been sure nice talking to you
And as I hung up the phone, it occurred to me
He'd grown up just like me
My boy was just like me


And the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon
Little boy blue and the man in the moon
When you coming home, son?
I don't know when
But we'll get together then
You know we'll have a good time then

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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Not meant as a burn. Being a mod...well, it does something to you.

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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I'm glad a bunch of fat brokedick goons have met their cynicism match in some russian twink propaganda trusty-shooty youtube garbage

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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Before you roast me, please know that I am including myself in that assessment

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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Loss remixes are that idiot at the party who stills shouts "I'm rick james bitch" 13 years after it stopped being funny (and it was never funny)

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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tastefully arranged labia posted:

Brother you've really turned into VV lately in terms of hating everything

I know. I’m not happy about it either.

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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It all goes back to tactics vs. logistics.

The biggest difference between mortars and artillery isn't the explosive yield, the math involved in obtaining hits, the range, or the uses on the battlefield. It's the logistical supply chain.

When you graduate from sending explosives kinda far (3-12km) to really far (5-30km), you need orders of magnitude better propellant and equipment to do so. It ends up becoming its own speciality, hence the 13 series for artillery. Things start to matter like weather, earth rotation, etc. that you can fudge a bit with mortars. Also, as mentioned earlier, you need different kinds of propellant in different quantities in their own batches to send howitzer shells as far as you'd like. Lastly, when you're subjecting long howitzer barrels to those extreme forces, they require calibration and repeated testing to ensure the metal hasn't worn thin (it can explode or deform or just lose accuracy) aka "tube wear". The military has a host of contractors and specialists who perform all of those tasks. I don't know what they do with beat-up mortar barrels, but they could probably afford to just toss them and buy new ones since they cost so much less.

In addition to all of that, you have one MOS (11C) in the army that can set up mortars of close/med/far range (60/81/120mm) respectively in light infantry, and also in stryker/heavy units, with much less schooling and expertise. The drawback is that they rarely carry the amount of ammo (especially if they're humping) that artillery does. The plus is that they deploy quicker and are organic/attached to the infantry ground force commander meaning they do what you want when you want it without any loving around or arguing on the radio. They also have drastically reduced range, but that matters in drastically different ways in a COIN vs conventional fight. In a COIN fight, you can put all of your artillery on a FOB and operate with relatively strong and reliable fire support within about 25km. Beyond that your options for a TIC are organic mortars, MK14 / M2 on your vehicles (assuming you're not in eastern Afghan mountains), or CCA/CAS. Downsides to all. For mortars, it's about logistics. You probably have enough rounds to get you through a few small engagements or one big engagement.

Anyway, in terms of practicality, having spent a year doing fire support with an infantry company in eastern Afghanistan I almost always wanted mortars. I knew the team on the guns and they knew me (so they never second guessed my calls for fire); we drilled better than I ever would've had the chance to drill with for a howitzer section; they were quick and they answered to the same boss that I answered to. Additionally, mortars almost always fire in high angle (above 45 degrees) because they're built for it. Firing high angle with a howitzer is really taxing on the equipment and there's often an elevation maximum, which means they may or may not be able to clear an intervening crest (mountain) or can't hit a low spot beyond a crest with HE.

But really at the end of the day, the fact that you can have responsive fire support with an aiming circle, mortar/baseplate, and a palette of rounds vs. the battery- and battalion-level equipment and teams required to meet the

https://quizlet.com/88033814/gunnery-flash-cards/ posted:

FIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCURATE PREDICTED FIRE
...well...it's like when you need to get something done fast, you ask your average friend and he says "ok let's roll" but you ask your smart friend and he just starts asking you annoying what-ifs.

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Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

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CarForumPoster posted:

Instead of just war porn maybe some context?

Who is this and what did they shoot down? I see the dead guy and I see L-39...did they shoot down an albatross?

EDIT:
This? https://www.rt.com/news/414285-syria-warplane-downed-pilot/

Right click->translate to english

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