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Talmonis posted:No, gently caress that. Failure to compete, typically the result of factors out of the individual's control, should not result in death in a civlized nation. If they refuse to purchase food (and not because like all the bodegas near them are out of stock somehow) with the money we gave them, I don't know what to say. What's really shocking to me is Ytlaya's notion that there is a sizable portion of the people who would get a net gain from mincome, just won't buy food with it or pay rent. That's a level of disability that demands assisted living, I think.
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My Imaginary GF posted:In a civilized, Democratic society, individuals should have the freedom to make bad life choices which may result in their death. They should not be free from the consequences of their life choices. How else can you have a free society if you do not hold individuals accountable for their actions? I agree with this. There's no sense taking every possible police state measure to keep people from jumping off bridges. We can put suicide hotline phones there, but ultimately we have to allow some viable means of self-harm for the exceptionally self-destructive, and in some cases we can get them institutionalized (I just wish the institutions that we -alize people into were better at improving people's inner strength and capacity for success), but trying to stop all of them would swiftly lead to a totalitarian world.
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Feb 17, 2016 20:26
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Talmonis posted:With addicts, which many thousands if not a few million Americans are, I can see that being a problem. But those addicts are somehow not starving to death, without mincome. I think that institutionalizing people who are so addicted they spent every last cent on just the drug, then they'll either OD anyway, or their vagrancy could get them put in the (reformed) system, where they would receive treatment. But that's just my absurd pipe dream of a sensible America.
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