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NOTE: In honor of the year in which the Hurd project was born, I have made this thread 56K SAFE by compressing JPG images a little more than necessary! It's been 26 years since the Hurd project was started which coincidentally is also my age. I've grown into a fine young man so let's see how Linux's competitor has matured in the same time period. First, a look at Wikipedia to see what Hurd is all about : quote:In December 1991 the primary architect of the Hurd described the name as a mutually recursive acronym:[5] We've reached sperg territory and we're only at the name. This was anticipated, so we continue onward! As a quick sidenote let's check this Thomas (then Michael) Bushnell out, he has a Wiki article: quote:Thomas Bushnell, BSG, formerly known as Michael Bushnell (born 1967), is a software developer and Gregorian friar. He was the founder[1] and principal architect of GNU's official kernel project, GNU Hurd.[2] Bushnell was also Hurd's official maintainer from its instigation until November 2003, when he posted to the GNU project's discussion mailing list saying that he had been dismissed by Richard Stallman for criticizing the GNU Free Documentation License.[3] Stallman said the dismissal was because Bushnell had been inactive since 2001 and wasn't responding to mail.[4] Of course RMS dismissed the principal architect of his project because of disagreement over a license for documentation. Of course. Anyway, luckily the fine folks at Debian have packaged Hurd with their installer and package management system to that it can be used out of the box. There is no official Hurd distro, other projects have had to wrap poo poo around it to make it work. First, I download an install disc.  That's a lot of CDs for a 2-bit OS... I download DVD 1 hoping that it's enough to get a basic install working. Then I create a VM because lol if I'm going to dedicate any hardware to this turd (which coincidentally rhymes with Hurd!)  It's 32-bit only of course. VMWare stupidly does not have a template for one of the most important operating systems ever, so I choose 'Other Linux'   I give it 1GB of RAM because quote:Just like any 32-bit OS without bad tricks, GNU Mach can not cope well with lots of memory. Latest versions of the Debian gnumach package will limit themselves to around 1.7 GiB of memory. If you want more, you can twiddle the VM_MAX_ADDRESS limit between kernelland and userland in i386/include/mach/i386/vm_param.h.  I boot from the disc and away we go! Whatever pseudo-graphical means.  It sits at a blue screen for a good 5 minutes after I select my keyboard layout. I hope this experiment isn't over before it began!  At last it continues on.  Even though the virtual hard drive is 10GB, I guess the 2GB barrier has not been crossed yet. No, not the 2GB memory barrier. The storage barrier.  Ack! The installer halts after trying to create partitions (only ext2 and swap are supported) Oh, VMWare defaults to SCSI, doesn't it? Uh alright let's try IDE and start again.  Yes! It continues on. Now I wait. And wait. It's been 20 minutes and it's still going. Stay tuned to this exciting thread for more updates coming soon! When (if) it finishes installing we'll take a tour and even try installing a web server!
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 im looking forward to the rest of this
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Feb 17, 2016 21:32
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Captain Foo posted:
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Feb 17, 2016 22:21
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install gnome3 op
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Feb 17, 2016 23:25
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sounds like a great idea for the next "twitch installs"
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Feb 17, 2016 23:34
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unironically enjoying thread so far, looking forward to the thrilling conclusion
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Feb 17, 2016 23:34
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gently caress yes
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Feb 17, 2016 23:39
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Captain Foo posted:
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Feb 17, 2016 23:40
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It finally finished installing after about 45 minutes. I rebooted and it appears to be starting up... ...but it's been like this for 15 minutes. And it's maxing out its CPU.  I think it's...just trying to start the ext2 mounter?
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Feb 18, 2016 00:23
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I let it sit there for a couple hours while it burned through cycles trying to mount a partition, finally deciding it must be stuck in some sort of loop. We can't expect magic here, these functions were coded by a Gregorian monk afterall. I finally got it to boot by choosing recovery mode. Unfortunately I made a mistake by running the highly volatile startx command which crashed the system and now it won't come up even in recovery mode. Stay tuned while i try to import the premade image (meant for kvm) into vmware
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Feb 18, 2016 02:05
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it's like, op, much like your posting, this OS is a POS
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Feb 18, 2016 02:28
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does rms even use this poo poo?
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Feb 18, 2016 03:14
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akadajet posted:does rms even use this poo poo? No but he believes in it
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Feb 18, 2016 03:15
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 More to come tomorrow!
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Feb 18, 2016 04:32
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Wat?
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Feb 18, 2016 04:34
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Hey MooCow -- it's Hurd not Herd. 
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Feb 18, 2016 04:49
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Raere posted:
Owns.
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Feb 18, 2016 04:54
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Also owns.
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Feb 18, 2016 04:55
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Squeezy Farm posted:Hey MooCow -- it's Hurd not Herd. haha   :cow:
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Feb 18, 2016 06:32
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get that poo poo in the cloud
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Feb 18, 2016 06:39
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i too like installing operation system in virtual machines for no real reason
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Feb 18, 2016 07:21
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Samuel L. ACKSYN posted:i too like installing operation system in virtual machines for no real reason 
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Feb 18, 2016 07:33
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make the neptune thread plz
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Feb 18, 2016 07:34
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lol @ the shameful hurd developer not writing it as "gnu/linux"
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Feb 18, 2016 10:37
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jony ive aces posted:lol @ the shameful hurd developer not writing it as "gnu/linux" RMS might be the only person left who writes it that way
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Raere posted:
awwwww yeeaaaah
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Feb 18, 2016 14:52
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Feb 18, 2016 15:40
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gimme
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I had to use VirtualBox because ESX does not want to boot this POS. Another victory for open source   Here's the default desktop with some applications (apps) open. The included web browser and mail client are both terminal based.  There are multiple era-appropriate themes to choose from! Win95 is pretty sweet, but I decide on warp4 because OS/2 or star trek or something  I tried to check out some of the cool sounding screensavers but the daemon wouldn't start, even after turning off access control which "will allow anyone logged on to this machine to access your screen, which may be considered a security problem"  It has a patch! Luckily the patient folks at Debian ported apt so things shouldn't be too difficult. For my first package, I'll install Apache! Everything runs httpd.  Hmm maybe not. I screwed around for a bit, made it use mdm_prefork instead of mdm_event, whatever the hell that means.  I think it works! Let's set up port forwarding so I can access it with a real web browser...  ...and voila! Now that apache is working, what other fun things should I try with my brand new, achingly slow OS?
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Feb 18, 2016 18:10
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Raere posted:
5 what a beautiful POS OS see what sort of pain is involved with playing any sort of media
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Feb 18, 2016 18:17
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yeah see if you can get sound working
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Feb 18, 2016 18:18
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Wait, why the hell would you change your name from "Michael" to "Thomas"?!
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Feb 18, 2016 18:18
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I also wanted to point out that just idling at the desktop with top open, it sits at between 20-30% CPU usage.
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5 also, Testiclops posted:yeah see if you can get sound working
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