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I seem to recall a scene in the Matrix, the first one, where Morpheus gets caught by the baddies. What happens in the uncut scene is Agent Smith begins to slowly pull Morpheus's hands from his throat, whereupon M. headbutts him in the face. In the first edition of that film I saw, they removed the headbutt scene and skip straight to the punch-up, which left little ol' me wondering where the hell Smith's sunglasses (which were broken because of the headbutt) went before the fight scene.
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Subjunctive posted:Counterpoint: Wild Things I feel like Kevin Bacon is its own catagory. Maybe it has changed in recent years, but I remember that growing up tits were everywhere in movies, and you rarely saw a dick, erect or flaccid. And seriously, everyone in this thread needs to watch This Film has not yet been rated, as it really gets down to why the MPAA is really bad an rear end backwards. It should be replaced by an organization that is run by like WGA or something that picks ratings. Aesop Poprock posted:Wasn't Rogue and Gambits thing that they literally couldn't touch each other because of their powers? I thought I remembered them specifically mentioning that even in the cartoon when I was a kid cause I remember even then thinking "wow that blows" The implication I got was that they just didn't want the couples on the show to imply that they were having sex, even if that was actually impossible. Though I think the show did write Rogue really well that her funloving bombshell personality was a facade to cover up the really hosed up life she had. Raised by Mystique, and manipulated into being a villain and absorbing Ms Marvel powers and personality. It was also funny that I've read that shows that feature robot characters, the rules for robots were not used, because Megatron and Optimus Prime were characters more than they were robots, so the wanton destruction of them could not be done as it would be in Ninja Turtles or X-men or GI Joe with the BATS.
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Feb 21, 2016 00:46
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AlphaKretin posted:That doesn't surprise me in the least. Oh well. I remember the ESRB used to use the very confusing terminology of "game experience may change online" by which they meant "people may be dicks online", but it's read as " the online game is totally different!"
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Feb 21, 2016 00:52
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twistedmentat posted:I feel like Kevin Bacon is its own catagory. We weren't saying that male nudity is more common, just that female nudity results in higher ratings and more censorship. Breasts have always been used to sell movies, but they've gone from flashes in PG movies like Airplane to a hard R for any nipples. Also, dicks aren't really comparable to breasts. If it's something directly comparable like asses, you can just look at the prevalence of man rear end on TV, like I mentioned, to see the difference in censorship levels.
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Feb 21, 2016 00:56
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Samovar posted:I seem to recall a scene in the Matrix, the first one, where Morpheus gets caught by the baddies. What happens in the uncut scene is Agent Smith begins to slowly pull Morpheus's hands from his throat, whereupon M. headbutts him in the face. Are you British? The BBFC used to be really, really weird about nunchaku and headbutts, for whatever reason.
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Feb 21, 2016 00:59
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Are you British? The BBFC used to be really, really weird about nunchaku and headbutts, for whatever reason. Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles!
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Feb 21, 2016 01:00
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foobardog posted:Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles! Attack of the clones!
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Feb 21, 2016 01:03
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Are you British? The BBFC used to be really, really weird about nunchaku and headbutts, for whatever reason. Isn't face sitting and other kinky porn literally illegal in Britain now? Those are some weird laws. 
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Feb 21, 2016 02:09
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twistedmentat posted:It was also funny that I've read that shows that feature robot characters, the rules for robots were not used, because Megatron and Optimus Prime were characters more than they were robots, so the wanton destruction of them could not be done as it would be in Ninja Turtles or X-men or GI Joe with the BATS. This brought to mind that in Batman: The Animated Series (and every other ensuing DC animated universe show, though maybe not so much Zeta Project  ) they were always excited to have a robot show up so they could gently caress them up particularly gruesome ways, often including creative decapitations. And then there was Scarface, the ventriloquist dummy, who I'm pretty sure got destroyed by the end of every single one of his episodes. I think it might've even been his first episode where he gets gratuitously shot to poo poo with a tommy gun.
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Feb 21, 2016 02:18
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Isn't face sitting and other kinky porn literally illegal in Britain now? Those are some weird laws. A cups, regardless of the age of the woman, count as CP in Australia. 
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Feb 21, 2016 02:20
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AlphaKretin posted:A cups, regardless of the age of the woman, count as CP in Australia. Imagine that's the exploding psyduck with a billion more psyducks pouring out. Shouldn't that count as some form of discrimination? Some women can't help being flat-chested...
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Feb 21, 2016 02:21
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I mean I'm not 100% sure, I heard it by word of mouth and even with private browsing I don't want that search term coming from my IP. 
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Feb 21, 2016 02:33
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:
poo poo like that extends to real life, as well. I dated a very petite Asian woman once, which led to people I knew making both racial and pedophilic "jokes" to me. Never said anything like that when she was around, though, which shows they knew how lovely what they were saying was.
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Feb 21, 2016 04:22
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I just learned that Fallout 3 and Fallout NV (initially) were censored in Germany to get rid of the gore of heads exploding and limbs flying off. Gore is the best part https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOTYcdjJjOc
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Feb 21, 2016 05:42
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Thin Privilege posted:I just learned that Fallout 3 and Fallout NV (initially) were censored in Germany to get rid of the gore of heads exploding and limbs flying off. Gore is the best part Germany is very strict on violence (as well as Nazi symbols for that matter). The strangest change for this to me is Team Fortress 2, which made the blood black, and replaced the gory gibs with silly little objects. Arguably that's an improvement.
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Feb 21, 2016 05:53
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foobardog posted:Germany is very strict on violence (as well as Nazi symbols for that matter). The strangest change for this to me is Team Fortress 2, which made the blood black, and replaced the gory gibs with silly little objects. Arguably that's an improvement. If I could I would play every game with rubber ducks replacing gore. Imagine stabbing a guy in the stomach in GTA and instead of blood a bunch of rubber ducks magically fly out 
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Feb 21, 2016 06:13
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John Murdoch posted:This brought to mind that in Batman: The Animated Series (and every other ensuing DC animated universe show, though maybe not so much Zeta Project Speaking of the DC animated universe, Warner bros. had a really really dumb strict rule on Batman characters showing up in other shows. The Justice league for example could not use any Batman villains after season 2, not even the Joker, because people would be confused about them being on The Batman tv show for some reason??? The Batman also couldn't use Scarecrow or Ra's al ghul because they appeared in Batman begins, it was really dumb.
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Feb 21, 2016 06:54
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I recall a Metal Slug game or games that made all the blood white. It didn't make the game any less gory, it just made enemies explode in a jizz shockwave which ended up being even more cartoony and ridiculous.
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Feb 21, 2016 08:35
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I've heard that Adventure Time is heavily censored in Australia. Apparently in one of the first episodes they cut a character saying "Jam on!" because the CN Australia execs thought it was a sexual reference.
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Feb 21, 2016 08:51
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John Murdoch posted:This brought to mind that in Batman: The Animated Series (and every other ensuing DC animated universe show, though maybe not so much Zeta Project If you own the DVD set of BTAS the two parter Heart of Steel has creator commentary where they talk about the increased levels of violence they could get away with on otherwise human looking characters because they were robots. In particular a scene that has a woman robot crushed violently by an elevator. Batman really pushed the boundaries of what they could get away with in cartoons at the time. It was mentioned earlier that guns in cartoons had to look futuristic or shoot lasers, the Batman show runners actually convinced the censors to let them use real guns due to how silly it would be for 20's style gangsters to be shooting laser canons. The episode Heart of Ice also featured a scene where Mr. Freeze points his gun directly at the camera which was apparently a big no-no for cartoons too.
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Feb 21, 2016 09:36
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Samovar posted:I seem to recall a scene in the Matrix, the first one, where Morpheus gets caught by the baddies. What happens in the uncut scene is Agent Smith begins to slowly pull Morpheus's hands from his throat, whereupon M. headbutts him in the face. Curiously, the harsh ban on headbutts (amongst other things) was lifted before the Matrix happened, but WB only ever submitted a cut version to the BBFC for the fear of it being given an 18 rating instead (when in actuality the headbutts would not have changed it from being a 15).
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Feb 21, 2016 13:50
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You Are A Elf posted:The English version of Bionic Commando on NES also had Hitler as an antagonist, although he was called "Master-D" like he was in a breakdance troupe from 1983. His head violently explodes, something completely unheard of in an NES game where the Nintendo Seal of Quality meant no gore or blood (from an otherwise long list of no-no's). 
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Feb 21, 2016 14:30
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The South Park pinball game has the weirdest censorship. When you put in a coin, the default sound clip that plays is the lady bus driver saying "How'd you like to suck my *beep*". For the longest time, I figured the censored word was supposed to be "dick", even though it's being said by a woman. A customer requested the special prototype ROMs, which removes the bleeps. Apparently the word is "rear end". The bleep makes it much worse. The prototype also has a few things that were cut out due to requests from the higher-ups at Sega of America. I suppose I can understand removing the carpet munching video mode, but they also removed a bunch of sound clips with the word "lesbian". In a game with quotes like "Quit draining those balls!".
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Feb 21, 2016 19:04
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I grew up watching all the garbage anime that was available on TV to an American in the 90s. Funimation is a very odd company because their censorship, like all pearl-clutching agencies, we're very inconsistent. Blood was a huge no go because that was the norm. Blood was either made into black hash marks or turned white so heavily beaten characters were spitting a lot, I guess. In some ways they would censor aliens that normally have purple blood in the same fashion or would cut entire segment. I remember them cutting Piccolo regrowing and arm which made the fight really confusing. DBZ didn't have the same sexual innuendo and Dragon Ball but Funimation did their best to make a show designed for 15 year-olds acceptable for babies. Krillin's girlfriend, a ditzy bombshell, would have scenes cut for being busty, not that she was showing anything "bad".
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Feb 21, 2016 19:28
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I think in DBZ any punching or blows would be censored by putting a frame of white or a flash at the point a blow would connect.
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Are you British? The BBFC used to be really, really weird about nunchaku and headbutts, for whatever reason. Yes, indeedy. Though, considering I spent a lot of my life in a city where headbutts are one of our main exports, I can understand that the BBFC was a wee bitty cagey on them. Nunchucks and ninjas however is just plain odd.
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Feb 21, 2016 20:34
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I always wonder why titties and sex get so much more of a watchful eye cast over them than some person getting their brains bashed in or shot in the head. On the list of things I hope my kid never does, engaging in violence and weapons falls way below having sex or ever seeing a naked lady. Also, some of the stuff censors try to do to air clean versions of movies that have rob everything about them once they're scrubbed bugs the poo poo out of me. Why even bother airing movies like Goodfellas, Scarface or Pulp Fiction on TBS?
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Feb 21, 2016 20:41
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BiggerBoat posted:Why even bother airing movies like Goodfellas, Scarface or Pulp Fiction on TBS? You could always watch Badfellas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmRTUNh1vPo "Did you /fun/ my wife?" "Suck my /lozenge/ you /muddy funster/!"
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The worst censorship I've seen was when ITV in the UK showed Conan The Barbarian. Apparently somebody thought it was a bit bloody and violent and they did their best to cut out any gory scenes. However, the main point of Conan is that it's a revenge story - as a child, Conan sees his mother beheaded in front of him and spends his life tracking down her killer. The climax of the film is when Conan hacks the killers head off and throws it bouncing down the steps of a temple. That's the scene they cut.
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Game ratings in the UK can be kinda weird; like the rest of Europe, games are rated by PEGI (and ELSPA before them), but games can also be rated by the BBFC instead, either optionally or dependant on content. This results in such oddities as C&C3 being rated 16+ by PEGI whereas the special edition for the same game was rated PG by the BBFC because it happened to have a bonus content DVD. Onto films, the UK used to have more stringent ratings laws for cinema viewings than America - children can't go into, say, a 15 rated film with an adult like they can with R rated films in America, and until around 2001ish the same was true for 12 rated films until the first Spider-Man film was rated 12. There was a massive uproar by parents about it, to the point where the BBFC had to introduce a 12A rating because cinemas were just ignoring the law and admitting kids anyway.
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Feb 22, 2016 00:53
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BiggerBoat posted:I always wonder why titties and sex get so much more of a watchful eye cast over them than some person getting their brains bashed in or shot in the head. On the list of things I hope my kid never does, engaging in violence and weapons falls way below having sex or ever seeing a naked lady.  If our children grow up thinking that violence is wrong they might start to ask why we're carpet bombing everybody that we think might have looked at us funny one time. But if Junior learns that tits are awesome before he's 37 he might have premarital sex and that would be immoral. Really, that's all of it; America is a culture that glorifies violence but abhors sex.
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Feb 22, 2016 01:53
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BiggerBoat posted:I always wonder why titties and sex get so much more of a watchful eye cast over them than some person getting their brains bashed in or shot in the head. On the list of things I hope my kid never does, engaging in violence and weapons falls way below having sex or ever seeing a naked lady. Cable is actually way less stringent than it used to be- they'll usually just air those movies with a TV-MA and mute most of the F-bombs. Walking Dead and American Horror Story pretty much mean cable networks don't have a leg to stand on for censoring violence and sex nowadays, and every curse below "gently caress" is acceptable with a TV-MA (and whether "gently caress" is acceptable just depends on the channel- FX says no, Comedy Central says yes, AMC says sometimes). e: also, the misogyny and hyperviolence of American culture is not an accident, and the people who want to maintain it tend to end up on ratings boards, with regards to the sex vs. violence thing.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Really, that's all of it; America is a culture that glorifies violence but abhors sex. The late Umberto Eco would have a few choice words on this. Also, didn't George Carlin pave the way for less censoring on cable with his 'Words You Can't Say on TV' routine?
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Pixeltendo posted:Speaking of the DC animated universe, Warner bros. had a really really dumb strict rule on Batman characters showing up in other shows. The Justice league for example could not use any Batman villains after season 2, not even the Joker, because people would be confused about them being on The Batman tv show for some reason??? I didn't mind that too much until you got to the Legion of Doom at the end of Justice League. It just felt so empty without Riddler and Scarecrow!
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Domus posted:The South Park pinball game has the weirdest censorship. When you put in a coin, the default sound clip that plays is the lady bus driver saying "How'd you like to suck my *beep*". For the longest time, I figured the censored word was supposed to be "dick", even though it's being said by a woman. A customer requested the special prototype ROMs, which removes the bleeps. Apparently the word is "rear end". The bleep makes it much worse. This reminds about something I heard about Nixon's notorious tapes during his time as President. When the recordings were to be revealed to the general public Nixon realized that there was a massive amount of light curses, stuff like 'Hell' and 'Goddamn' so when they were released he had a lot of the bad language censored out to try and protect his image to some degree. The problem was that, since people didn't know what the original words were their minds immediately ran to stuff like 'poo poo' and 'gently caress' when they saw an all caps 'EXPLETIVE DELETED' which helped inadvertantly crystallize the newly forming image of Nixon as a hateful, foul rear end in a top hat when the cameras and crowds weren't there
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When I was a teenager I visited the US with my family. While we were there I ended up watching TV in the hotel room in Utah and watched Cruel Intentions on broadcast television (during the day?). When you cut all the "bad" bits of that movie out there's not much plot left, entire scenes were simply cut. I'm not even sure why you'd try and play that movie rather than something else.
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It's a parody, but the first thing this thread made me think of was "Pallies" - a Goodfella's riff by Mr. Show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqjBbpS3HW8 Discount Dracula has a new favorite as of 05:57 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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I was thinking earlier about how quickly nudity and sex became acceptable in games. GTA San Andreas cost Rockstar 80 million due to the Hot Coffee thing, something that wasn't accessible without mods and wasn't even explicit. Now you can play Witcher 3 and have HBO level sex scenes and casual nudity, or Stick of Truth with full on swinging ball sacks. Though I think the fact most PC games are sold digitally these days, so who cares as long as its up on steam. Though that doesn't explain console versions, but does wal-mart and target stock these games?
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Feb 22, 2016 06:06
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GTA San Andreas was a weird case because it was interactive sex scenes, iirc.
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twistedmentat posted:I was thinking earlier about how quickly nudity and sex became acceptable in games. GTA San Andreas cost Rockstar 80 million due to the Hot Coffee thing, something that wasn't accessible without mods and wasn't even explicit. Now you can play Witcher 3 and have HBO level sex scenes and casual nudity, or Stick of Truth with full on swinging ball sacks. I bought Witcher 3 from Walmart and I've seen it at Target so yeah
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