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Poor Miserable Gurgi
Dec 29, 2006

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Lava Lamp Goddess posted:

This, basically.

All major retailers refuse to sell AO rated games. So, if you want to make money, you need to keep it at M.

This also makes it into a threat for the ESRB to use similar to how the MPAA now uses NC-17. It will basically mean a product is guaranteed to fail, so they can slap it on something they don't like until the publisher does whatever they want. The last big thing I remember reading about it was years ago when Rockstar made Manhunt, and the ESRB said it would be AO almost sight unseen. Rockstar cut enough to eventually get it down to an M. Violence isn't as big a concern for them anymore, it seems though. It's basically just sex that gets everyone up in arms now.

Your Dunkle Sans posted:

Speaking of which, were there really porno film houses in the 1970s? It's kind of incomprehensible to imagine going to watch porn in public theaters with other people that aren't in a seedy sex shop. :psyduck:

Dude, there were porn theaters in Times Square until the 90s. Disney decided they wanted to get into Broadway, bought a theater, and basically started throwing money at the city to clean up the area and make it suitable for families to come to see a show with Disney's name on it.

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Poor Miserable Gurgi
Dec 29, 2006

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

It's worth nothing that it wasn't until The Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and loving Three that the SCOTUS finally ended sodomy laws entirely, once and for all. Though most states had removed their sodomy laws very few states legalized consensual butt sex between adults before 1970. Pornography is still coming under fire even though the SCOTUS also ruled that people can watch all the porn they want in the privacy of their own homes.

Plus look at how much of a meltdown the nation goes into if a woman's nipple is seen on public TV. You can gun down 5,000 people on your show but you can't say gently caress or show a boob because that would be immoral.

Some states, specifically Michigan, have made new, unconstitutional sodomy laws THIS MONTH and attached them to anti-bestiality bills. Oral and anal sex are both illegal between ALL people there now, regardless of marriage status.

Poor Miserable Gurgi
Dec 29, 2006

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Men's butts and men's nipples being okay goes into the big mess that is the ingrained misogyny in society that makes women into sex objects. Men's bodies aren't a problem because men are considered the default, and of course men aren't attracted to other men, etc. A woman's body is what the 'default person' is considered to be attracted to, so they are inherently more sexual.

Poor Miserable Gurgi
Dec 29, 2006

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twistedmentat posted:

A dong is worse than boobs though. Seriously, a bunch of boobs in a movie, and it pretty much gets an R rated, but have a swinging dick, you're getting NC-17. Unless it's CGI and blue.

Dicks show up in R movies pretty often, they just can't be erect. Jason Siegel did a full scene in the nude in Forgetting Sarah Marshall, and was writing and directing a Muppet movie a couple years later. This highlights a problem with filmmakers in itself, where male nudity can be played only as a joke with no sex, but there will always be sex attached to a naked woman, at least in any mainstream movie.

Man butts have been showing up in network TV as well, and are pretty much good to go on cable, while lady butts are still forbidden on TV. Women's bodies are policed pretty heavily in every way when compared to men's.

Ein cooler Typ posted:

yeah because the government can only focus on one problem at a time

Well, they sure nipped the problem of married couples having oral sex in the bud. Those pervs are going to jail.

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Poor Miserable Gurgi
Dec 29, 2006

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Issues aren't universal, but they're apparent when you look at the whole. Female nudity is more common than male nudity, even though male nudity isn't censored as harshly. Filmmakers tend to be male, and they make movies with men in mind, for the most part.

Non attractive bodies are rare to see nude, and are usually played for a joke, but I'd say a non attractive female body is more rare than a male one for those jokes. I can think of maybe one or two other example off the top of my head other than that Kathy Bates scene, which was a big loving deal at the time. Even when a woman being fat is the joke, producers worry it'll stop people from seeing it. Melissa McCarthy was photoshopped to be thinner on all the posters for The Heat, even though the entire point of her characters tend to center around her size. In general, a woman's body is seen by producers as something to sell a movie to a male audience.

Poor Miserable Gurgi
Dec 29, 2006

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

Rogue and Gambit had the hots for each other but Rogue couldn't touch anybody. That was a common thread among X-Men thing that explained her personality; she kept people at a distance because she hosed up whoever she touched. It registers as "holy poo poo that sucks" because humans generally really like to touch each other. Think about how different life would be if you couldn't even high five, shake hands, or hug.

It was also kind of interesting that, despite this, Rogue was an upbeat, fun Southern gal who liked beating poo poo up. She just had a tragic part of her life that came up sometimes.

X-Men Evolution made her a mopey goth, and most comic writers in recent years aren't much better. It just makes her really one note for everything to be about how sad she is about that one thing.

Poor Miserable Gurgi
Dec 29, 2006

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twistedmentat posted:

I feel like Kevin Bacon is its own catagory.

Maybe it has changed in recent years, but I remember that growing up tits were everywhere in movies, and you rarely saw a dick, erect or flaccid.

We weren't saying that male nudity is more common, just that female nudity results in higher ratings and more censorship. Breasts have always been used to sell movies, but they've gone from flashes in PG movies like Airplane to a hard R for any nipples. Also, dicks aren't really comparable to breasts. If it's something directly comparable like asses, you can just look at the prevalence of man rear end on TV, like I mentioned, to see the difference in censorship levels.

Poor Miserable Gurgi
Dec 29, 2006

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Your Dunkle Sans posted:

:psyduck:

Imagine that's the exploding psyduck with a billion more psyducks pouring out.

Shouldn't that count as some form of discrimination? Some women can't help being flat-chested...

poo poo like that extends to real life, as well. I dated a very petite Asian woman once, which led to people I knew making both racial and pedophilic "jokes" to me. Never said anything like that when she was around, though, which shows they knew how lovely what they were saying was.

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Poor Miserable Gurgi
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AlphaKretin posted:

The character's ~quirky anime trait~ was being a chick who jokingly flirted with chicks, but wasn't actually romantically interested in them (:thejoke: is she's the daughter of a womaniser and does it better than her father). The main character gives her a potion that makes her see him as a woman to help her open up or whatever, and the love comes from realising she doesn't need it.
:goonsay:

God damnit geez louise, Japan.

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