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greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Or just take half the money up front and then gently caress off instead of doing any real work at all

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greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Professional graphic design skill is the opposite of what these guys want. Here's an interview with a designer who got a summer job making banner ads for porn scammers whose major complaints were that the models she chose were too pretty and the copy didn't have enough errors in it. Needless to say, there are some :nws: images that accompany the article https://www.vice.com/en/article/9bzg9y/this-girl-designed-porn-banners-for-a-living

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Prepare for a golden age of fake emails and data theft... Microsoft Exchange has been exploited which means that tens of thousands of companies have probably had their data stolen at best and many will have some kind of persistent ongoing exploits in their system to try and root out. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/tens-of-thousands-of-us-organizations-hit-in-ongoing-microsoft-exchange-hack/


I've been looking for a new apartment and I wonder why so many scammers make their fake ads so easy to spot by pricing them 20-30% below market rates. All of the search sites I use have a button for users to report fake ads and most of these get taken down in about 5 minutes. Do they really get so many hits because the place is super cheap that they wouldn't get if it was just a little bit under market rate and just stayed up for 2-3 weeks? Some of these guys obviously put a lot of work into the ads--not only do they have floorplans and photos of the propterty that match up with Street View images and full descriptions, in one case they were also using a phished email address from a Mercedes dealership to make it look like they were somehow the landlords. Then all their work gets deleted in 5 minutes. I guess the desperation is what gets people to engage? It's also super irritating because the very first ad my wife and I saw was for a place that was bigger than ours, in among a bunch of trees, right next to the river, in the middle of town, with roof terrace access--where there's a pool!--for $300/month less than we pay now and so we got all excited for about a day until we figured out the obvious truth but now honestly none of the other apartments we see look very good in comparison.

Does anyone have any articles about identity theft supply chain? I'm sure the apartment scammers and email spammers are something like harvesters, just hoovering up any kind of email or info they can so they can sell them on to what I guess are aggregators who bundle a bunch of accounts up to be used by the proper fraudsters. I'm kind of piecing together what I've read in a few cybercrime articles, but I'd be interested to know more about the actual market of it all and how much people pay for the different kinds/amounts/qualities of data.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Volmarias posted:

You want people who will be too blinded by greed about getting a "really good deal" to stop and think about it.


Same, either help them or don't, but don't just keep watching the train wreck from the sides, and especially don't post more here.

There's one at the moment that's more than 50% below market and asks you to click a bitly link to make an appointment hahaha

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Simsmagic posted:

I got a poo poo ton of these when I started a website purely for personal use, and outside of my web host selling my information (entirely plausible) I still have no idea how it got into the hands of so many spammers because I didn't advertise or do anything to put that information out there.

Is it in your whois info?

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



The internet was a lot better when every activity wasn't centred around being served ads and/or having your data harvested to tweak your ad servings tomorrow

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



I may have already posted about it ITT but the greatest gently caress you bait and switch scam is the predatory locksmith assholes. You lock yourself out of your house or car, you've got poo poo you need to do, you google a locksmith in your area, click a link that has a good price for what you assume is a straightforward job for a professional, call and get the price quoted on the phone and then wait a long rear end time for someone to show up and tell you it'll cost 3-4x as much and then probably a little extra gently caress you money at the end. It's so easy and so lucrative that adwords prices were astronomical (this NYT article says $30 per click) and SEO was so insane that legit local businesses could never get listed anywhere people could find them. It's so hosed up and I wonder if Google has done anything at all about it or if these scammers have just switched to moving vans or garage door repair or something else now.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



namlosh posted:

Locksmith: bring up maps on your phone and find someone local and call them up. Lol at going to a generic search engine to look for a local business.

You do realise that Google search and Google maps are pretty much the same data in a different interface, yeah? As The Lone Badger said, the scammers manipulate the poo poo out of maps results too. From that article I linked earlier:

quote:

The flaws in the Google machine are well known to Avi, an Israeli-born locksmith, who asked that his last name be omitted from this story, citing threats by competitors. (“One told me there is a bounty on my head,” he said.) Avi has been at war with lead-gen operators for eight years. It’s like guerrilla combat, because the companies are forever expanding and always innovating, he said.

To demonstrate, he searched for “locksmith” in Google one afternoon in November, as we sat in his living room in a suburb of Phoenix. One of the companies in the results was called Locksmith Force.

The company’s website at the time listed six physical locations, including a pinkish, two-story building at 10275 West Santa Fe Drive, Sun City, Ariz. When Avi looked up that address in Google Maps, he saw in the bottom left-hand corner a street-view image of the same pinkish building at the end of a retail strip.

There seemed no reason to doubt that a pinkish building stood at 10275 West Santa Fe Drive.

Avi was skeptical. “That’s about a five-minute drive from here,” he said.

We jumped in his car. It wasn’t long before the voice in his GPS announced, “You have arrived.”

“That’s the address,” he said. He was pointing to a low white-brick wall that ran beside a highway. There was no pinkish building and no stores. Other than a large, featureless warehouse on the other side of the street, there was little in sight.

“This is what I’m dealing with,” Avi said. “Ghosts.”

It's a high-tech war on consumers and Google is delighted with their CPM metrics so they don't do poo poo. You have to get a personal recommendation from someone or go to page 3 or 4 of the search results and know how to spot a real local business.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Perfect timing. I'm driving in a foreign country (I live in Europe) and there's a problem with the drat car. Seems to be a fuel pump/filter or spark plug or something, just losing power sometimes when you put the pedal down. My wife really wanted to bring it in to the nearest garage and I just said gently caress No. It's not even our car, we don't need one, so we had to call the regular mechanic who recommended just trying to make it home somehow and bring it to him. The people at the hotel here told my wife about a guy in town (she's nervous because we do have to cross the freakin Alps in this thing) and he turned out better than I expected but as posted earlier he's busy as hell. He did say we could probably make it though, we're gonna put the car on a train for the first bit of the mountains and then go around the second bit to get home. Will just get it towed if we don't make it.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



peanut posted:

I got a 30-day burner phone while I was in the US for one month and I still got a JW voice mail

My first spam call came in before the text message that confirmed my phone had been activated

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Simsmagic posted:

It suckers people in because if you're paying for a product that's silently doing everything in the background (or using the free windows alternative that works fine on its own) then how can you be sure it's working? Yeah I only ever visit the same 4 sites but what if I get a virus off of them? If I get barraged with weekly reports and notices to scan my computer then that's a product that's being proactive in most people's eyes

software for people with middle-manager Boomer brain: if it's not at its desk sending me notifications, it's not working!

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



I teach college courses and when I ask, it's probably less than 10% of students run an adblocker. Most common reason why is "meh" followed by "it's too complicated/I'm too lazy to figure it out". I've also heard from a number of students that you always have to allow all the cookies and trackers or the websites won't work properly.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



A "cover charge" is a standard service fee for sitting at a table requiring service. It's just part of the bill but it's way cheaper than a 15% tip. A small plate of olives is not the couvert, it's some boomer misunderstanding how the system works. You don't get out of paying the cover if you don't eat the olives.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Man, I just found out about Landmark a couple of weeks ago and the angle was its relation to the most infuriatingly hippie woo woo bullshit restaurant northern California ever produced. Here's their menu, and yes, you have to order the items as they are named and yes, the server does ask every table the question in the top right corner too.



So, on top of, you know, all that... "According to a 2009 East Bay Express exposé on the restaurant, managers and owners describe it as "a school of transformation disguised as a cafe." The methods in which employees are expected to "transform" are what some people, former personnel included, find questionable.

The restaurant's business model, which the owners have dubbed "Sacred Commerce," integrates spirituality into their profit-making. In order to infuse the company with positive energy, employees are strongly encouraged to participate in the Landmark Forum, a program "designed to bring about positive, permanent shifts in the quality of [one's] life—in just three days." Matthew Engelhart and Terces Lane, the founders of Café Gratitude, met at one such forum."

from https://la.curbed.com/2014/10/23/10033900/cafe-gratitude-and-the-cult-of-commerce

I can't find a real connection between the restaurant owners and the Landmark leadership or anything, but the owners sure seem to fancy themselves as cult leaders and IMHO are just outsourcing the brainwashing to a third party. "The Engelharts wrote a book about their business practices in 2008, called Sacred Commerce, in which they justify their practice of sharing as being part of a new sacred community, a sort of anti-business business. “Our sacred enterprise, Cafe Gratitude, is sometimes accused of being a ‘cult’,” they write, “because the perception is that we ‘make’ people be grateful. Apparently the god of materialism, the Hungry Ghost, finds thankfulness threatening. But we are not threatened.”"

from https://www.grubstreet.com/2011/11/a_new_side_of_the_caf_gratitud.html

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



My sister's apartment complex gets kickbacks for snitching on their own residents parking with expired tags. Someone had a new car with the registration on the dashboard and it took a community intervention to get the driver to gently caress off. He said he could tow because the tag wasn't on the license plate. I'm sure you'll be shocked to know it's a low-income area.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



BiggerBoat posted:

I hardly ever watch cable/regular TV anymore and am not subjected much to their ads these days but my work has TV's everywhere and it's been pretty wild seeing every single ad with entire paragraphs of fine print that you couldn't read if you tried with the highest 4k high def on the planet in the time it's on screen that I'm pretty sure just say "everything we just said is bullshit and will not be honored SO gently caress YOU"

I listen to some radio here and there and they do the same poo poo only with really super sped up disclaimers that say the same thing in order to save on the ad time that explain how "everything we just said is bullshit".

I'm sure there's some toothless government FCC regulations somewhere that address these sorts of things and I like to imagine a bunch of lawyers arguing about what's legally legible, how long it needs to be displayed to be readable and what font size constitutes full disclosure but my main takeaway is basically that every single ad anywhere at any time in any medium is a scam that is nothing more than a legal way to lie to you.

Along similar lines: ever take a look at the verbiage in a credit card statement, prescription drug print ad or a bank loan because jesus christ. Even if you read it, good luck parsing it.

This was the opening slide of the Tesla Investor's Day livestream:



quote:

Certain statements in this presentation, including, but not limited to, statements relating to the future development, ramp, production capacity and output rates, supply chain, demand and market growth, cost, pricing and profitability, deliveries, deployment, availability and other features and improvements and timing of existing and future Tesla products and technologies such as Model 3, Model Y, Model X, Model S, Cybertruck, Tesla Semi, Robotaxi, our next generation vehicle platform, our Autopilot, Full Self-Driving, and other vehicle software and our energy storage and solar products; statements regarding operating margin, operating profits, spending and liquidity; and statements regarding expansions, improvements and/or ramp and related timing at existing or new factories are “forward-looking statements” that are subject to risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements are based on management’s current expectations, and are a result of certain risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from those projected. The following important factors, without limitation, could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements: uncertainties in future macroeconomic and regulatory conditions arising from the current global pandemic; the risk of delays in launching and manufacturing our products and features cost-effectively; our ability to grow our sales, delivery, installation, servicing and charging capabilities and effectively manage this growth; consumers’ demand for electric vehicles generally and our vehicles specifically; the ability of suppliers to deliver components according to schedules, prices, quality and volumes acceptable to us, and our ability to manage such components effectively; any issues with lithium-ion cells or other components manufactured at Gigafactory Nevada and Gigafactory Shanghai; our ability to ramp Gigafactory Shanghai, Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg, Gigafactory Texas and new factories in accordance with our plans; our ability to procure supply of battery cells, including through our own manufacturing; risks relating to international expansion; any failures by Tesla products to perform as expected or if product recalls occur; the risk of product liability claims; competition in the automotive and energy product markets; our ability to maintain public credibility and confidence in our long-term business prospects; our ability to manage risks relating to our various product financing programs; the status of government and economic incentives for electric vehicles and energy products; our ability to attract, hire and retain key employees and qualified personnel and ramp our installation teams; our ability to maintain the security of our information and production and product systems; our compliance with various regulations and laws applicable to our operations and products, which may evolve from time to time; risks relating to our indebtedness and financing strategies; and adverse foreign exchange movements. More information on potential factors that could affect our financial results is included from time to time in our Securities and Exchange Commission filings and reports, including the risks identified under the section captioned “Risk Factors” in our annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC on January 31, 2023. Tesla disclaims any obligation to update information contained in these forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.

Welcome investors, to this special event for you, who we want to invest in our company. However, we will not be held accountable for any of the crazy poo poo we're gonna say tonight.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



peanut posted:

My daughter got her first phone for Christmas and even though I'm the only person who knows her mobile email address (Japan issues @provider addresses) she is starting to get fishing messages.

- You won the money prize!
- New phone let's catch up!
- Your package is scheduled to be delivered!
- Link without context

Can I assume that the mobile company itself is selling its customer list to these pests?

The company's not going to be selling lists to spammers, but an employee might be

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



We're part of a phish-hunting "contest" at work and it's dreadful. I work in a college but the contest is on the municipal level so you can see how all the different departments stack up. The secretaries and admins are beating the IT dept at reporting all the planted phishing emails we get. Meanwhile the teaching staff are under 60% so I'm also glad I have my own device and storage and I'm not sharing with these goobers.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Admin is at 92% spotted, IT is at 91%. There have been some very expensive breaches and ransomware attacks on public sector infrastructure in this country over the last couple of years. I'm pretty sure these scores are getting reported to the top and imagine IT has been told to not loving blow it.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



EL BROMANCE posted:

This has been my Gmail from the word go, dumbasses with the same real name as me who think they own firstname.lastname@ when they don’t. It’s unusable. Luckily those dummies don’t have Apple stuff, so my @me.com has always been fine.

I'm the dumbass who made a very common jokey pun with my first name as my gmail address, because it was 2002 and having dumb edgelord email addresses was still the thing to do. It's been a nightmare forever. People use it to make restaurant reservations, to fill in online surveys, to join curch websites and newsletters, to register for dating sites, to make flight reservations, everything. The spam folder is always full but the inbox is worse because they're all "legitimate" emails. Then some easyjet employee put it in the system as some kind of test account so I started having flights appear in my calendar that didn't match anything and couldn't be found on the easyjet website.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



It's not that the scam has to be perfect, but the timing can be perfect. It may have been the YouTube scam buster mentioned above, but I remember one story by someone who definitely knew all about how scams work and still got scammed because they were in the middle of a super stressful day and they just didn't have the attention to spare. Like their kid was sick and they were on the way to the hospital but they got a flat tire and their MIL needed to be picked up at the airport and now loving Amazon needs me to do something too jesus christ OK will this bullshit ever end and then 3 days later they're out 3 grand or something.

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greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



I've got a really strong feeling that the shoebox of cash story is something she made up that she feels is less embarrassing than how she actually lost the money.

It could have been a romance scam, drug habit, cam models, gambling, lots of stuff. I can't wait for the Streisand effect to play out on this

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