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Jan 3, 2013
I would very much like an update.

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Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
Update Thirty Two: Ask And Ye Shall Receive

Hey, everybody! Welcome back to Secret of Evermore! Last time, we recovered the Wheel and Gauge from Prehistoria, which included kicking the poo poo out of a monster named after the taxonomy of beetles. Today, we'll be grabbing the Diamond Eyes, so let's boogie.





Since we haven't done it yet, let's go visit the palace. Besides, Horace is up there, and he might have something interesting to say.







There's a glitch here, in where if you keep mashing the button, you can get infinite Call Beads. But...Why would you do that? Call Beads aren't that useful.



Or maybe they are and I'm completely missing something.





Horace! What's going on with you?



Does anyone in the real world actually use the phrase "By Gum!"?



Seriously, it sounds like someone doing a parody of old folks.



Tiny has the Diamond Eyes, by the way. I'm...I'm not sure why.



I'm not sure if it's even mentioned here. I know Horace doesn't say it, but then, who the hell does? What random-rear end NPC did I miss that has this information?



Oh, hell, I don't care. Nobody is reading this for the dialog or story.





Hmm....Crush also uses Limestone...



Barrier grants invulnerability to physical attacks for 45 seconds, as well as restoring a small amount of HP. This is actually pretty good, since no regular enemies use alchemy attacks and not many of the bosses from here on out will use alchemy, so this is practically gamebreaking.



While I can completely crush everything else in my path, I may as well try and keep some semblance of fairness.



Off to the Pyramid!



I'm not crossing that desert again, so we're going to fly.



This is satisfying in ways you can't even imagine.





In other news, I've quit smoking.



Cigarettes, at least. I'm using a vape thingy to ease my way into it, but it's going pretty smoothly. I went from a pack a day to a half pack a day in about a week and now, I'm going to try and cut cigarettes out completely.



The next step is to cut out the vape thingy, but we'll get there. I've tried a lot of other things to try and quit, but this seems to be the biggest help.



I once had a plan to eat a dog treat every time I wanted a cigarette, and it worked pretty well for about a week.



It was then that I realized that cigarettes tasted better than dog treats, so I went back to smoking.



It's a hell of a struggle. It's one I can't properly explain to someone who isn't a smoker.



Wanting a cigarette is like...All of you reading this, you've all had mosquito bites. You know how those sons of bitches get to itching?



You can ignore it for a while, but when you finally give it up and start itching it, you know how good it feels?



Imagine that same itch, but located in your brain, in a spot that nothing else can reach, and only one tool can scratch.



A cigarette is that tool and getting to relieve that itch is like scratching that itch so well, it completely disappears.



For an hour or so, at least. It's hard to explain.



Anywho, I'm only saying that to fill space help cement it in my mind, so that I really stick to it this time.





With that said, we've got some dumbass poo poo to do in this pyramid.



There's some teleporter shenanigans, as well as a...Hell, I can't even call it a boss fight. You'll see what I mean.







There's some minor exploration to do here, and some stuff to grab.



Sons of Anhur roam the halls; you might recognize them as the mini-bosses we fought back when we first visited this place.



:sigh:



I really want Call Beads to be useful, but without forcing myself to use them, I can't be them useful.



This leads to the boss, but it's not quite unlocked yet. Let's visit the right-hand path.



And there is a big-rear end rock around. You can sort of see it in some of the previous shots.



Either the Bronze Axe or the Knight Basher is needed to get past these walls.



No, I'm not doing a great job of showing this, but...How the hell am I supposed to do that? It's a very tiny area, with few branching paths.



Hell, when I get to the boss fight, I wasn't even sure how to show that.



It's not even interesting enough for a boss video.



Neat!









And that teleporter leads us to a DVD set of an underrated show.



Alright, let's go do something about that rock.



Thought we were done with Levitate? Joke's on you!



Er...Just one second.







We hit the two switches again and



Viola!





Just give us the Eyes and I won't destroy you all.



Just you wait until I get up there.



Yeah, your Oglins are doing you a ton staying up there.



Aaaand he's throwing Oglins down here.



Truthfully, it'd be more effective if you just threw the Oglins directly at us.







Now, I know what most of you are thinking; we just follow the teleporters around.



It's not that simple. It's much stupider.







You just randomly pop around the teleporters.



Until you land up here with Tiny. That's it; you just bounce around the teleporters until you get up here. I'm not even joking. It's just random chance if you get where you want to go. It's...God, there's a phrase I want to use here...It's something like...poo poo. I think...

Mind-bogglingly stupid! That's it! This is so stupid, it boggles the mind.





And after all of that, Tiny doesn't even want to actually fight. He threatened to crush us, but he didn't me the chance to Crush him!



I want nothing more.



Stop it, York. You didn't even do anything!



Jesus, even Tiny is calling you on that poo poo!



Let's get back to Tinker. All this bullshit, and I didn't even get to Crush anything.



Goddammit, I knew I liked Antiqua the least for some reason.



Eh, this'll do. It's not perfect, but three Crushes are better than none.







Alright, let's see if Tinker's machine is going to do anything.





I wouldn't be back if I didn't!





We also give him the Wheel and the Diamond Eyes.





I have a feeling you don't really have a clue about what you're doing.



It has gizmos? Maybe I was selling Tinker short.



If you're shooting us to space with an experimental rocket, I'd like you to be a little more confident.



And it turns out that this machine doesn't shoot us to space, but actually is just a projector for the Michael Jackson documentary.





Oooh, York with the :iceburn:





I...I can't argue with that.



On a sidenote, those last bits of dialog actually made me laugh out loud.





We do the full countdown to 0 before blasting off.







I see no way this can go wrong.





Uh...I guess this is the place.



Get away from our rocket, you little weirdo!





loving rats! They're everywhere!



Hey, it's pretty dark around here.



I owe Tinker some props. He did a hell of a--



So, uh, yeah. Our dog is a toaster now.



We're in Omnitopia, the final area of the game, and with Zach's final form!



This line also amuses me.



Be careful, York. He's got a laser cannon now.



I'm not even loving joking. Our dog is now a toaster-animal with a laser cannon.



While that sinks in, let's take a break, and I'll see you next time.

Stay tuned!

Cador_2004
Oct 13, 2012
Robo-Dog is easily the most broken of dogs.

Unoriginal One
Aug 5, 2008
Well, you can use Call Beads to cast Barrier via Horace, so you can at least dump them on that.


Toaster Dog starts broken, and only gets more so once a certain support alchemy comes into play. We're also about to render melee weapons largely obsolete as well.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Toaster dog, the coolest dog of all! Show off his lasers next update please!

I love this area too.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Wow, the dog turned into K-9 from Doctor Who.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Basically I think I beat this entire area with just the dog. Also he really does pop up toast randomly.

Sanguinaire
Feb 10, 2003
When I played this years ago, I actually did leave Tiny's arena, and then saved, and had to restart the game as I realized I couldn't get back in because who would be stupid enough to leave.

MagusofStars
Mar 31, 2012



Prowler posted:

I look at this thread periodically and wonder how in the world my brother managed to get through most of it. I think, probably, sheer inertia and tons of grinding.

We rented it for Thanksgiving break. I remember being so excited then suddenly so disappointed when A) I couldn't play with him and B) the game felt half-baked. The engine was already there and so many problems with it could have been fixed with a few modifications. I really enjoyed Secret of Mana, but pace is glacial to me now.

I just feel there is so much wasted potential.

It's actually very fun to play - the game is well-paced and the combat is fun.

Also, there's not much grinding at all, with the possible exception of Thraxx near the very start. It seems like Leave is grinding a lot, but it's mostly for demonstration purposes - the game is balanced well enough that while you COULD grind, it's really not necessary:
>Your level and cash flow will be fine as long as you're fighting mobs as you go along (rather than sprinting through every area) and make sure to open chests.
>There are a bunch of potential weapons to level, but you can just pick one weapon type (Spears, probably) and roll with that. Honestly, you could even roll the entire game with the Horn Spear until you get to the point you can buy Bazooka ammo, then exclusively use the Bazooka and not bother to level any of the other weapons.
>There are tons of Alchemy spells to level, but if you pick a couple favorite spells (Crush, Heal, maybe Defend/Speed) and cast them fairly regularly, they'll level enough naturally to carry you along.

There's wasted potential in the dialogue and story, but the gameplay itself is enjoyable.

Leavemywife posted:



Get away from our rocket, you little weirdo!
He's just doing his job sweeping out the trash. I mean, look at that rocket - that dingy thing is probably single-handedly ruining property values all over Omnitopia.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
There are some legit problems with the gameplay. Thraxx is one: it's a brick wall of difficulty that is not reflected by the other bosses in the game. The thing with weapon leveling is another. I really do remember feeling like I had to grind to get them leveled, which matters when you are used to relying on a weapon's charged attacks, and then you get a new weapon and have to do it all over again. Which is why you might stick with the Horn Spear all game. The balance patch feature that makes leveling count by weapon type is probably the best change.

Oddly, when I think about why I couldn't get into Secret of Mana after playing this, I can only remember two things. First, it was just way too hectic for me to have to deal with three party members with weapons and spells after just having one character like that and a dog that can attack and nothing else. Second, the loving dancing shopkeepers. I don't know why they dance but it was just so stupid it pissed me off. There was one part of the game early on where something sad happens and sad music is playing everywhere in town, but that doesn't get the shopkeepers down! They're still partying like it's 1999. Couldn't take the game seriously after that.

Kheldarn
Feb 17, 2011



Sanguinaire posted:

When I played this years ago, I actually did leave Tiny's arena, and then saved, and had to restart the game as I realized I couldn't get back in because who would be stupid enough to leave.

Not only was that me, but I was even dumber: I called the 1-900 Nintendo Help Line, to see if there was a way back in that I was missing. :suicide:

A Pleasant Hug
Dec 30, 2007

...It's the thought that counts, right?
Fun fact: Lv.1 Toaster Dog is powerful enough to kill anything in Omnitopia except the bosses.

Shitenshi
Mar 12, 2013
I swear when I was younger, I always thought Tiny's facing to the side sprite always looked like he had shoulderpads on, like some big bad anime villain. Now I don't know how I ever saw it.

ParanoidLogician
Jul 24, 2012

Where did the punster go when he was defeated? The "punitentiary"!
BOAH ZACH HAS A LASER CANNON!

Now with that obligation done, I can say that I'm glad we're nearing the finale when things might actually be explained and we might have something interesting happen... at least, I hope.

senrath
Nov 4, 2009

Look Professor, a destruct switch!


So it's at this point that I'm realizing I did beat this game after all, I just hadn't remembered the entire last world there.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Kheldarn posted:

Not only was that me, but I was even dumber: I called the 1-900 Nintendo Help Line, to see if there was a way back in that I was missing. :suicide:

So, what did they tell you?

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.
Since no one has said it, can I just say how much I appreciate that you're trying to quit smoking? At the very least, switching to vaping will make you less of a health hazard to everyone else, plus you're not sucking down all the other horrifying stuff that comes with the nicotine. Good luck kicking the habit entirely!

Kheldarn
Feb 17, 2011



Carbon dioxide posted:

So, what did they tell you?

That I was right screwed and had to start over. It was the second, and last, time I called them. The other time was for yet another game Leave LPd, Super Mario RPG...

No Gravitas
Jun 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

FredMSloniker posted:

Since no one has said it, can I just say how much I appreciate that you're trying to quit smoking? At the very least, switching to vaping will make you less of a health hazard to everyone else, plus you're not sucking down all the other horrifying stuff that comes with the nicotine. Good luck kicking the habit entirely!

Seconded. Good job, man!

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

FredMSloniker posted:

Since no one has said it, can I just say how much I appreciate that you're trying to quit smoking? At the very least, switching to vaping will make you less of a health hazard to everyone else, plus you're not sucking down all the other horrifying stuff that comes with the nicotine. Good luck kicking the habit entirely!

Yes this! Good luck on quitting smoking.

100 HOGS AGREE
Oct 13, 2007
Grimey Drawer

GunnerJ posted:

Second, the loving dancing shopkeepers. I don't know why they dance but it was just so stupid it pissed me off. There was one part of the game early on where something sad happens and sad music is playing everywhere in town, but that doesn't get the shopkeepers down! They're still partying like it's 1999. Couldn't take the game seriously after that.

I cant believe how wrong this opinion is.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

He is everywhere. Doing everything.

Randabis
Apr 2, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 49 minutes!

FredMSloniker posted:

Since no one has said it, can I just say how much I appreciate that you're trying to quit smoking? At the very least, switching to vaping will make you less of a health hazard to everyone else, plus you're not sucking down all the other horrifying stuff that comes with the nicotine. Good luck kicking the habit entirely!

Thirded, and be sure to check out my vaping thread in TCC if you need any help/advice/etc.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3650856

MaskedHuzzah
Mar 26, 2009

Come now! Look me in the eye and tell me - isn't this the face of a guy you can trust?
Lipstick Apathy
If my memory serves me correctly, the teleporters aren't entirely random, just set up in a ridiculous way, and that the fastest path through them is to walk back into the one you just stepped through. At least, that's what I always did.

And Omnitopia is half incredible, half incredibly annoying in ways we're about to see.

MagusofStars
Mar 31, 2012



GunnerJ posted:

Oddly, when I think about why I couldn't get into Secret of Mana after playing this, I can only remember two things. First, it was just way too hectic for me to have to deal with three party members with weapons and spells after just having one character like that and a dog that can attack and nothing else.

I can't believe that "stupidity of the allies' AI" isn't something you remember. Because holy crap was that awful - you couldn't go two screens without the idiot Sprite getting stuck on a wall, door or the wrong side of a stream. In fact, it's so irritating that it's possible your brain selectively forgot about it as a defense mechanism.

FredMSloniker posted:

Since no one has said it, can I just say how much I appreciate that you're trying to quit smoking? At the very least, switching to vaping will make you less of a health hazard to everyone else, plus you're not sucking down all the other horrifying stuff that comes with the nicotine. Good luck kicking the habit entirely!

Yes. Besides the health benefits, it also will save you a crapton of money - I had a friend quit smoking a couple years ago and every time I ask him about it, one of the first things he mentions is just how much more money he has. He was a pack-a-day or more - the $5 for a pack doesn't sound like much, but when you add up the 1-2 packs a day, he's saving a couple thousand dollars a year :eyepop:

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

MagusofStars posted:

I can't believe that "stupidity of the allies' AI" isn't something you remember. Because holy crap was that awful - you couldn't go two screens without the idiot Sprite getting stuck on a wall, door or the wrong side of a stream. In fact, it's so irritating that it's possible your brain selectively forgot about it as a defense mechanism.

Well, actually that's more a part of the gripe about "dealing with them" since I never had to "deal with" a dog that just went at enemies and bit them a lot. :v:

Rabbi Raccoon
Mar 31, 2009

I stabbed you dude!
You go Leave. I know you've been talking about it and I'm glad you're following through.

Also, Secret of Mana would have been worlds better if the AI could cast spells. Same with Seiken Densetsu 3

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Nickchange to "Leave my cigs" ?

Word on the Wind
May 23, 2014
Another peanut gallery comment extending encouragement for tobacco abandonment.

Go you. :toot:

A Pleasant Hug
Dec 30, 2007

...It's the thought that counts, right?
Embrace the vape. The sweet flavors and industrial chemicals are worth the cancer.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
Thanks for the well-wishing on quitting smoking! I've had three cigarettes in two days, so I'm doing pretty well!

In other news, I have an asston of footage recorded for the next update, so it might be a little while before I get that one posted.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Just casually shooting down Tinker's dreams of exploration. That's our boy.

DayoDayo
Apr 23, 2016

Love the update! Still can't get over how much of a baby Tiny is! Kudos on quitting!!!

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Man, I loved Secret of Mana. On the other hand, I played it with my brother and sister, so we all had a character and didn't have to deal with stupid poo poo AI.

My older brother chose the Hero, which didn't work out well for him when I started magic poo poo with the sprite. The sprite totally wrecked everything in that game, and boy did the game know it.



:getin:

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
Whoops. Accidentally posted the update. Lemme finish it and it'll go back up.

Kheldarn
Feb 17, 2011



Leavemywife posted:

Whoops. Accidentally posted the update. Lemme finish it and it'll go back up.

Tease.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
Update Thirty Three: Space Station Evermore Valley

Howdy, folks, and welcome back! Last time, on Secret of Evermore, we completed Tinker's rocket and were blasted off to Omnitopia. Today, we're going to start exploring and fight the bonus boss of Secret of Evermore, so let's boogie.





I'm not sure what sort of fresh hell we've landed in, but there are tentacles and they freak me out.



They don't bother Zach a bit, though, because he now has a loving laser cannon.



A laser cannon that doesn't bulllshit.



As with all of his new forms, Zach's stats have gone up. He's even more powerful than before.



We'll have a screenshot of that in a second, but for now, let's chat with this guard bot.



:uggh:



:shepicide:



That's as good a lead as any. We've done more on less.



Psh, it's a video game. I'm flipping every damned switch I can find.







As far as I can tell, these are the same sort of tentacles that were in the Aquagoth fight.



It's been a little bit since I've done one of these. I was going to try and keep up with them regularly, but I...Forgot.



York isn't doing too bad. His defense is a lot higher than his attack, but if we had that much attack, things would be a little too easy.



And, y'know, we'd be as strong as Zach. Just look at his loving defense! I know he's made of toaster-metal now, but holy Christ, 607!



Alright, Scotty, let's roll.



Huh. We've wandered into the Acid Bath stage.



How the hell do you pull off that fatality, again?



Not quite what I was looking for, but Zach pulling a Kano is pretty satisfying. And those little dudes, the Neo Greely, only have 300 HP. They drop 500 EXP a pop, though, but no Credits.



We're in a futuristic environment now, so we use Credits, you see.



I mean, what kind of currency did you really expect?





These look like jail cells...



That one back there was open. I'm sure there's a good reason for that.



FLIP ALL THE WALL SWITCHES



Uh...Not that one.



OH GOD REFLIP IT REFLIP IT THAT RAPTOR IS MADE OF METAL



...Why didn't I restock my supplies!? :gonk:



At least the Red Jelly Ball isn't dangerous; 100 HP and 600 EXP, but they keep spawning until you've killed five or six of them.



The Metal Raptor doesn't really take poo poo from alchemy, which is bad. He's got 4,000 HP.



And he hits like an absolute nightmare.



He behaves like the other raptors, being very quick to dodge and attack.



Eventually, he's dusted by Zach. He also dropped 24 EXP and 48 Credits, if this Monster Statistics guide is to be believed.



This is just a middle finger on top of that "gently caress You" cake.



No problem, IM-L8. What'cha got for us?



Oh, the strongest weapon in the game and the only other one I'll be using. Neat!





All the end-game weapons have 50 attack, so at this point, it's down to whether or not you prefer axes, swords or spears. I'm sticking with swords because they're pretty much the best, but also because of the Silver Sheath's effect giving us another 25% on top of that 50 attack.



I'll have to pop into Prehistoria and grind it up at some point.



Alright, let's get into the meat of this update. This next section is why my video is 35 minutes long.





Not that this section is difficult, mind you, but it is a pain in the rear end.



To get through here, we have to destroy these Sphere Bots.



But to do so, we have to switch to Zach and pop up into the section above the tubes.



Sphere Bots have 1,000 HP and only give 70 EXP and 10 Credits. Their attacks don't do much of anything, but to get York through the path, we have to destroy all of them in his way.



Zach's basic attack, the three laser shots, hit multiple times for good damage. In this form, Zach is damned well broken, moreso than usual. He's much more powerful than York and his attacks hit multiple times; in this form, when he dodges an attack, he has the chance to retaliate with a level 1 charged shot, which will usually hit near the damage cap.



I mean, Christ, developers. I love that our companion is super powerful, but at least give the enemies a chance when he's around.



:smugdog:





See that D 1 down at the bottom? We'll be navigating around to various doors, from D to A.



Yeah, Rimsala is just wandering around here. This form has 3,000 HP, but Zach can deal with that.



Another thing to mention in this form, is that Zach can run extremely quickly, but also indefinitely.



If there's a downside to this form, I don't know what it is. Someone, please explain it to me.



And if you give lovely reasons, I'll send Keeshhound to your house to talk about politics.



Maybe that's only a punishment to me.



Section 4 is as far as we can get, so we're getting there.



The trick is getting York over here. The Rimsala is quite dangerous to him; it can't quite pose a threat to Zach, but it can kill York in short order. With our limited alchemy supplies, York isn't much of an offensive powerhouse.





Let's start working our way back to our boy companion.



Because gently caress it, Zach is the main character now. York is just the one who drives the plot.



We also get 1000 Credits were kill, as well as 3,000 EXP. If you were behind in levels before, you'll catching up quite shortly.



York needs to meet back up with Zach, which is much easier than you'd expect.





At here in C, two seconds later, we meet.





Let's flip that switch.





Urgh...I took a looong break and now I don't remember what I was writing about.





Okay, I can remember blowing up a Rimsala.



Alright, down into C 1.



These heating systems can hurt you, but for little damage. I took all of 0 damage from these.





Ah, Old Reliable. That sounds like a new weapon, perhaps a double-barreled shotgun, but that's not even close.



It's a brand-new helmet! One of the last we're ever going to get.



We're in the endgame now; we're very close to the final boss and alla that, as well as the end of the LP.







And we're going to need plenty of Credits. All the best end-game armor is bought, not found.





Floating Fans aren't too big of a deal; they're more an annoyance than a true threat.



Like a lot of enemies in this game, now that I think of it. Unlike most enemies, however, they have 700 HP, give out 300 EXP and drop 10 Credits.

This panel here can be interacted with, as well as a couple of others.



We'll be visiting there at some point in the future, but we'll need to drop that laser gate.





Ah, the Greenhouse. It's a good place for your run to end if you don't realize what's going on.



Note; you do not want these lights on when you go through the Greenhouse.



We'll need these lights on, to grab an assload of treasure.



Behind that "LOCK" is the game's bonus boss. I'm willing to bet most folks haven't fought them, but maybe I'm wrong. Until this LP, I haven't heard of the bonus boss.



You have to kerjigger these switches around until you find the right combination.



It's not told you to anywhere, so you have to enter three digit combinations until it pops open.



In this case, I had 131 for my access code.



:ducksiren:Alright, let's get this done with.:ducksiren:



If I were properly stocked on ingredients, this fight would have gone perfectly fine.



Since I did not, this went pretty poorly.









Anywho, this is the hidden boss of Secret of Evermore.



Bosses, rather.



It's the mysterious Face that we never learn anything about, yet seemed to be a key villain!



They each have 4,000 HP and only use Flash to attack.



They're capable of using Heal to restore small amounts of damage, but that's not much of a concern.



Their Flash is pretty powerful; check out Zach's health here.



And see how quickly it nosedived.



Being low on ingredients, I decided to make use of those shitload of Call Beads I had around.





We get 2,000 Credits for each one, as well as 4,000 EXP.





The screenshots don't really show it, but I got the poo poo kicked out of me in this fight. If not for Flash, I would have been okay, but they can spam it so quickly, and deal such good damage with it (100+), it can quickly overwhelm you.



And our reward for doing this?



:sigh:





Normally, I'd break there, but we're going to get this poo poo done here.



I'm not going to really be using the Bazooka and I'll show you why.



Because it knocks you back with each and every shot, and it has to be charged to 100% to fire a shot. If an enemy dodges your shot, then you're left wide open. The Bazooka also can't level up, and it has limited ammo (even if there is a glitch to get infinite ammo), so it's ultimately not worth it.





Now we're down in the storage room, so let's nab some goodies.



New hand armor!





More Bazooka ammo.



And we finish it off with some Honey and Acorns.



And, uh, there's this. I don't know what Thraxx's are doing up here, but it's kind of spooky.





I did spend some time with the Bazooka, which is why I feel I've developed an expert opinion on it.







We now have a mini-boss battle here, but it's nothing special.



There are five sets of these doors, and each release two Guard Bots.





It's about as exciting as you'd imagine.



Quit posing like you're Link and you just found the Compass. You like like a jackass, York.







That's a hell of a boost.





We're looking to get over to A 4, to finish off this section.





York gets his rear end knocked back, and Zach...Is doing something.



Most of the time in this section, I controlled Zach, just to kick rear end, take names, and chew bubblegum.



Pictured: chewing bubblegum.





I'm making a terrible mistake here. Some of you know what it is.



You do not want to be in the Greenhouse with the lights on. In no way, do you want to be here.





Now, why don't you want to be here? It doesn't look bad, since nothing is trying to kill me.



That's because these things, the Flowering Death, don't have to try. They'll never deal less than 999 damage, and you'll never have more than 999 HP.



Aura or Barrier doesn't affect their damage, either.



And you can't hurt them. I've read that they have 10,000 HP, but there's no way to actually do any damage to them.



So we have to get back to the lighting system and turn off the lights.



This is the highlight of that trip.







Okay, now let's get through here.





You can work your way to this point without being killed, but you can't get past these two flowers.







We're almost there!







This is actually our end goal.





There might be a thing or two that I missed (there's a formula back with I8-PI, but we'll get back there), but I'm not worried about it.



Hey, it's been a long time since we've seen this guy!





And now I'm creeped out. :ohdear:





Let me make my own world, then. It'll be full of Mole Men and floating islands.





Ah, so the butler did it!



We've met him before, York.



Tuxedo?



Yeah, I'm not seeing it. He's not dressed like James Bond.



Has that ever worked out well?





And then he made sure it was permanently clean by burning the place down, forcing you to create Evermore, so you didn't have to live in the poor house.





Did you program him free will or something? Everyone knows not to program robots with free will! It never ends well!



I'd like to think he did this by pouring a beer on the console, saying, "gently caress you, Dad!"



Wouldn't it have been easier to kill you all? Or at least you, Doc?





And we make our move, over to that machine.





Still not sure where Evermore is, exactly, but Ruffleburg has built a teleporter.



Inefficiently threaten them, I might add.



YOU PROGRAMMED HIM THAT WAY WHAT THE gently caress ARE YOU COMPLAINING FOR, DOC



Then let him destroy it! Or destroy him!



For you budding robot-builders at home, always build a shut-down remote for your robots. This is why you need poo poo like that.



Truthfully, we didn't even realize we were doing it, most of the time.



Hey, uh, quick question.



We know where Elizabeth, Horace and Camellia are, right?



Why don't we grab them, bring them back here, and just give Carltron the world of Evermore? What real downside is there to that?





I'm not going to question this logic.



What's it like to write a video game where you can't just address those sorts of concerns?



Do you purposely have to write dumb-downed stories (for certain games, at least), to give the motivation to continue?



Or do writers not think of these things and nobody else notices? That feels unlikely, but I've never written a game before, so I have no idea.



Well, let's get back to Evermore, then.



How many of you forgot about that Energy Core and how we saw it when we were below the chessboard?



It's okay if you did, because I pretty much did, too.



That'll be next update, though.



This one has gone--Oh, look at the kitty.



And...There's not much left of that kitty now.



Yeah, we've been here before.



This is the same place from the very beginning of the game.



Which means we've come full circle!



Ugh. This requires very rare ingredients.



There are only supposed to be 10 bits of Dry Ice in the game, but there's a very roundabout method of getting more.



If you have more than six Call Beads...He doesn't give you any more. There's nothing special about it.







Alright, folks, I'm cutting it here. This update has been extremely long, and I'm sure you're tired of reading it.

Next time, we'll get that Energy Core, so stay tuned!

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.
The Dog/Zach is the real ultimate weapon of the game in terms of damage output.

As someone who mainlined the Bazooka as soon as ammo becomes available before it, I have a few counterpoints:

100% is standard for every weapon to do actual damage, as the pithy sub-100% swings of other weapons are going to have a hard time doing more than single/teens digits.
Getting knocked back isn't a big deal as Omnitopia is where a great deal of 'melee really sucks' enemies start to pop up. Such as that Metal Raptor. It's there kind of as a primer for what's to come.
The Neutronium sword adds 50 attack along with the 25% bonus damage. The weakest ammo for the Bazooka has an attack of 200, while the strongest, Cryo Blast, has an attack power of freakin' 800.

Really the only thing the Neutronium weapons are better at are for multiple targets. But that's also where Alchemy shines.
And technically the spear will do more damage due to the static nature of the bazooka but that requires an obscene amount of grinding.

In short, shoot Cryo Blasts every day, Crush/let the dog kill everything else.

Bazooka supremacy :colbert:

Tallgeese
May 11, 2008

MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR


Now, there's a legend here.

Supposedly there's a way to make a merchant that sells Dry Ice appear here.

Total bullshit of course.

...or is it?

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GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
I don't remember the hidden face bosses, but I also barely remember anything at all from this part of the game because it's dull and tedious as gently caress.

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