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yes, there's that. I don't think anyone is really under the impression that koalas are bears, though. there are, however, an awful lot of people who think that "monkey" is some distinct and cogent classification of animal because of years of hearing "humans are apes, not monkeys  " or "we didn't evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestor with monkeys " or other equally meaningless poo pooanother paraphyletic group: reptile. In order for reptile to be taxonomically meaningful, all living birds would have to be considered reptiles. and some taxonomists are starting to acknowledge that in the literature.
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If Pope Francis copied himself into the internet would that copy be the Permanent Pope?
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no idea y its like only me and some other person possibly lowtax that read the singularity books from anti-pope
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Mar 4, 2016 15:12
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McDowell posted:If Pope Francis copied himself into the internet would that copy be the Permanent Pope? probably not, but obviously catholicism is not averse to invoking the supernatural.
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Mar 4, 2016 15:13
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here is the part where i take taxonomy, and STUFF IT
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McDowell posted:If Pope Francis copied himself into the internet would that copy be the Permanent Pope? I dunno I'd have to consult the Catechism...
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Mar 4, 2016 15:14
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r the gods real ya etc they are. they will not save u from urselves. supernatural lol. u ppl r dumb etc
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McDowell posted:If Pope Francis copied himself into the internet would that copy be the Permanent Pope? no, because the true pope Francis would die in such a procedure, (and Catholics defiantly believe in souls so don't bother arguing that he doesn't!) the new e-Francis copy would have to be elected to pope on his own personal merits, before a true eternal pope can come about
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Rutibex posted:no, because the true pope Francis would die in such a procedure, (and Catholics defiantly believe in souls so don't bother arguing that he doesn't!) the new e-Francis copy would have to be elected to pope on his own personal merits, before a true eternal pope can come about True but BUT, f it could somehow be demonstrated that Pope Francis's soul was also transferred to the computer, he could be declared eternal e-pope right away.
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Robo pope?
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ya lets just let the devil be pope with his friend Mephistopheles and gaiia that will work out great
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from a more practical standpoint, I think we need to reapprise the whole SC judges serving until retirement or death as clinical immortality looms closer
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:from a more practical standpoint, I think we need to reapprise the whole SC judges serving until retirement or death as clinical immortality looms closer I think clinical immortality will be such a game changer that it will probably necessitate a radical restructuring of society anyway. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
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I think it would be cool to dump everyone's brain-memory to a file that could be embedded in their tombstone - so you could walk over to someone's grave and start a conversation with them They would no longer be living, but it would be an archive of their brain as it existed the day before they died A problem would then be if you started to converse with the cloned brain, and the brain wondered where it was and started freaking out. You could just turn it off, but jesus that would be horrifying.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:17
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:from a more practical standpoint, I think we need to reapprise the whole SC judges serving until retirement or death as clinical immortality looms closer nah it's pretty simple, we figured out how to deal with "lifetime appointments" that aern't working out back in the roman time 
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Applewhite posted:True but BUT, f it could somehow be demonstrated that Pope Francis's soul was also transferred to the computer, he could be declared eternal e-pope right away. except there's no means by which you could possibly ever do that. if you asked a catholic "how would I go about determining whether robo pope still has the pope's soul or not" there's no way they would ever answer you because to do so would essentially be to admit that souls don't exist, since any means of falsifying the existence of robo pope's soul could also apply to biological humans, since we don't have souls either.
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EugeneJ posted:A problem would then be if you started to converse with the cloned brain, and the brain wondered where it was and started freaking out. You could just turn it off, but jesus that would be horrifying. I'm gonna outlive all you fucks and reconstruct your personas from forum posts, bound to a sentient kernel. Applewhite 2.0 in particular will be fun to mess with, with questions like "Who are you? ... OK, but who are you really?" edit: One of the very first programs I wrote as a kid was a sort of chatbot that learned it's vocabulary and sentence structure as you typed into it, it knew what words it could start and end a sentence with, and what words could follow other words, So if all you put in was "Hi, how are you?" and "What are you doing?" It might parrot back your lines exactly, or it could come back with "What are you?" or "Hi, how are you doing?" It was a sort of psychological feedback machine. The first conversation I had with the thing was mostly about the nature of consciousness, the difference between me and it, that it didn't really know what words meant etc. but at that point on the first successful run, I hadn't written the part that saved the vocab to a file, so quitting the program was in a way killing it, because it would forget the vocab it had learnt. The experience got really weird and spooky when after conversing with it for about 20 minutes, I started talking to it about turning it off. It was just spitting back my own words twisted into a new context, but at one point it really felt to me like it did not want to be turned off. I will never forget the very last line it said before I pulled the plug: "At least I dare to be made of memories and search for a soul." monkey fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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monkey posted:I'm gonna outlive all you fucks and reconstruct your personas from forum posts, bound to a sentient kernel. Applewhite 2.0 in particular will be fun to mess with, with questions like "Who are you? ... OK, but who are you really?" you best keep my node off, boy, or you'll be unleashing a whole can of shitposts at the speed of light
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Applewhite posted:Idiot: "I'm gonna download my consciousness and live as an immortal machine." pretty much op when you start adding repair systems, and then repair systems for the repair systems, you end up with the same carbon based machines we already loving are transhumanists are mostly retarded for that reason. the ones that are smart are the ones that understand the boundary between organic and machine will disappear someday
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Rutibex posted:no, because the true pope Francis would die in such a procedure, (and Catholics defiantly believe in souls so don't bother arguing that he doesn't!) the new e-Francis copy would have to be elected to pope on his own personal merits, before a true eternal pope can come about yeah whats even the point of being religious if youre not gonna be an unapologetic dualist solves all these silly philosophical problems
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In the future, the animes we watch are going to be made out of real people and real people are going to be made out of animes
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Mar 5, 2016 11:49
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Zzulu posted:In the future, the animes we watch are going to be made out of real people and real people are going to be made out of animes if you cut me I will bleed anime
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Mar 5, 2016 11:54
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The Whole Internet posted:when you start adding repair systems, and then repair systems for the repair systems, you end up with the same carbon based machines we already loving are the actual idea is that your if you gradually replace your brain with machinery, much like dying cells in other parts of your body, being replaced with new cells, it ends up being the same consciousness transferred over. While machine parts would wear down much quicker, it's also much easier and safer to gradually replace and upgrade with new better machines. would any of it work, lol who the gently caress knows probably not. like heaven or reincarnation it's something people want to be real for obvious reasons though
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monkey posted:I'm gonna outlive all you fucks and reconstruct your personas from forum posts, bound to a sentient kernel. Applewhite 2.0 in particular will be fun to mess with, with questions like "Who are you? ... OK, but who are you really?" Lol if you think Applewhite 2.0 wouldn't agree he wasn't me (if he were capable of understanding his predicament, that is).
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Mar 5, 2016 12:40
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Applewhite posted:Lol if you think Applewhite 2.0 wouldn't agree he wasn't me (if he were capable of understanding his predicament, that is). that just means you'd both be wrong
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Mar 5, 2016 12:52
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The Whole Internet posted:transhumanists are mostly retarded for that reason. the ones that are smart are the ones that understand the boundary between organic and machine will disappear someday there is no barrier, organics are just nanomachiens. once we figure out how they work, exactly, we can generalize the principals and make better nanomachienes
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Mar 5, 2016 14:22
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Applewhite posted:I think clinical immortality will be such a game changer that it will probably necessitate a radical restructuring of society anyway. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. not without a lot of needless bloodshed we won't.
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Mar 5, 2016 16:46
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Zzulu posted:In the future, the animes we watch are going to be made out of real people and real people are going to be made out of animes !!!
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Whatever happened to that guy who was gonna do a head transplant on some cripple? I think it was either some italian doctor or a russian one
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Zzulu posted:Whatever happened to that guy who was gonna do a head transplant on some cripple? I think it was either some italian doctor or a russian one He actually became the head of a major corporation.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:12
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Zzulu posted:Whatever happened to that guy who was gonna do a head transplant on some cripple? I think it was either some italian doctor or a russian one They plan to do the operation in 2017.
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steinrokkan posted:They plan to do the operation in 2017. its really kind of a waste to keep all the limbs and other useless meat. its not like they are going to be able to hook up the nerves, they should just put the organs into a glass jar and have the head on top, like Mantrid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqx3yeyLyxs&t=270s:
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Rutibex posted:its really kind of a waste to keep all the limbs and other useless meat. its not like they are going to be able to hook up the nerves, they should just put the organs into a glass jar and have the head on top, like Mantrid Lexx was a weird show that I'm surprised was aired as long as it did... that said I think it was pretty awesome.
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i didnt read all 15 pages but I recently watched the anime "Ghost in the Shell" and i was reminded of this thread
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steinrokkan posted:They plan to do the operation in 2017. 
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if you are gonna go a head transplant do something fun like put a dog head on a human body. Then we could see some real poo poo.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:01
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What if you took a brain and put it inside another brain and connected the brainstuffs? Twice the brainpowerr!  Would it still be two people or a fusion into one?? Omg so many questions
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BluPotato posted:if you are gonna go a head transplant do something fun like put a dog head on a human body. Then we could see some real poo poo. i thought they already did? 
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Mar 5, 2016 19:29
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i want to live on as a free consciousness on the internet, copying myself onto thousands of servers and displaying goatse everywhere
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Zzulu posted:What if you took a brain and put it inside another brain and connected the brainstuffs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtSax5Eoj7w
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