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A Pale Horse posted:One more thing. The new justice minister is doing away with the "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine, meaning any evidence gathered illegally will be admissible in court. Eh, That's probably the first change introduced by the new government I agree with.
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Aumanor posted:Eh, That's probably the first change introduced by the new government I agree with. Can I ask why? I mean we have laws about evidence gathering for a reason, and that reason is to protect citizens from abuses and provocations.
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Aumanor posted:Eh, That's probably the first change introduced by the new government I agree with. Those laws are there as much to protect the prosecution from discrediting itself with stupid blunders, as they are to protect citizens from extortion and underhanded tactics.
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The most Eastern Europe? lol can i has western judicial traditions? no, because of government incompetence.
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Aumanor posted:Eh, That's probably the first change introduced by the new government I agree with. Are you a fan of loose cannons who don't play by the rules, but dammit, who get results?
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On the police TV shows I always see the good hero cops catch the bad guy but then the bad guy does some lawyer voodoo and suddenly the evidence is all thrown out. We need to empower cops to get the bad guys, like on the television programs.
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They're going at it backwards. They should keep the doctrine and avoid the bad press, while at the same time removing all regulations that make obtaining evidence illegaly illegal. "Fruit of the poisonous tree" still applies, illegally obtained evidence is still inadmissable, except all ways of obtaining evidence are legal.  Where's my cushy government job Mr. Ziobro?
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The US Federal Government has built cases with illegal evidence gathering - its called 'parallel construction'. This is why former prosecutor Chris Christie is a big NSA fan.
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The presidential limousine almost crashed when one of its tires - supposedly puncture-resistant - fell apart. No one got hurt. Many PiS voters are already making new conspiracy theories, while another half of the country is cracking jokes and putting tasteful stuff like "I wish he had died a torturous death" on their Facebook walls.
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A Pale Horse posted:One more thing. The new justice minister is doing away with the "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine, meaning any evidence gathered illegally will be admissible in court. Do you have sources for this and other similar greatest hits of PiS's new glorious rule? My dad keeps sending me  emails over "look at how evil PiS is, they give benefits for families with kids, the horrors!" so while it won't change his mind or anything, it would make me feel much better to have sources to respond with "lol who needed rules of evidence anyway".I mean, as a PiS supporter you can imagine the conspiracy theories he subscribes to and he'll probably praise throwing out fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine as "PO made up ridiculous evidence rules to stop PiS from prosecuting commie mutant traitors! GLORY TO THE FATHERLAND!" but I'd like to think if he's so obsessed with getting rid of corruption in Poland, a functioning justice system would be kinda important to him.
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The man who made this video of the Estonian Independence Day parade lost his job for the colorful commentary about how gay the Baltic forces' flag was and many racial slurs when the American troops paraded by. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7ZBTmKWQFk http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/estonia/k...dom?id=73780407 And here is another video supposedly made two years ago today showing Russian troops and materiel arriving at the BlackSea training unit in Crimea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDqXuVuG5Lo HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Mar 6, 2016 |
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DrProsek posted:Do you have sources for this and other similar greatest hits of PiS's new glorious rule? My dad keeps sending me Is he a Duda Assassination Attempt truther? Because I'm kinda enamored with the fact this is a thing that exists. (for non-Pole goons: president's car caught a flat tire two days ago. It is Serious Business.)
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Lichtenstein posted:Is he a Duda Assassination Attempt truther? Because I'm kinda enamored with the fact this is a thing that exists. Sadly I haven't gotten a chance to find out yet  . I know my mom is hardcore Russia assassinated Lech Kaczynski truther, and she really loves Duda so unless he's making rounds outright saying "no seriously, it was just a faulty tire, these things happen" (which I strongly doubt he is), she's probably onboard that train.
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Lichtenstein posted:Is he a Duda Assassination Attempt truther? Because I'm kinda enamored with the fact this is a thing that exists. Probably the same hitmen that got the contract on Nigel Farage's head.
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An interesting article on Putin's poll numbers: https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...=pm_world_pop_bquote:Just over two years ago, as Russia headed toward the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Putin’s poll numbers were slumping. Only 61 percent of Russians approved of his job performance — high by Western standards, but the lowest for Putin since shortly after he took office. After Putin annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula, then stoked tensions with the West to their worst since the Cold War, Russians took their minds off their struggling economy and positioned themselves resolutely behind their leader.
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Well if only the good czar knew about their plight, he would fix it, but the bourgeoisie won't even let the glorious ruler know of those things.
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The tzar is good, it's the boyars that are bad and steal
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Death to Putin's approval rating.
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Somaen posted:The tzar is good, it's the boyars that are bad and steal Pretty much, Putin is loved, the guys working for him are hated because they keep failing Putin and Russia.
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Somaen posted:The tzar is good, it's the boyars that are bad and steal please ignore the implication that the tsar must be incompetent, stupid or complicit to keep hiring bad thieving boyars
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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DrProsek posted:Do you have sources for this and other similar greatest hits of PiS's new glorious rule? My dad keeps sending me I have sources but they're in Polish and if your family is rabid PiS fanatics they will reject them because they come from the traitorous "German" media. There's not a concise summary of changes implemented by PiS that I know of and your people would probably think most of those are positive changes if they have that ideological bent.
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DrProsek posted:Do you have sources for this and other similar greatest hits of PiS's new glorious rule? My dad keeps sending me It's worth pointing out that they only give you money for your first child if you earn less than PLN 800 per month, per person within your family (1200 if your child is disabled). This is a massive "gently caress you" towards single parents. You also lose the right to the money if your son and daughter has children themselves. The people who could use the additional money the most, won't get poo poo. It's Catholic families with lots of children that are supposed to benefit from this program.
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A Pale Horse posted:I have sources but they're in Polish and if your family is rabid PiS fanatics they will reject them because they come from the traitorous "German" media. There's not a concise summary of changes implemented by PiS that I know of and your people would probably think most of those are positive changes if they have that ideological bent. Yeah, true, probably a wasted effort . He's not quite as rabid as my mom is, and will agree stuff like PiS's foreign policy is somewhere between idiotic and suicidal, and social conservativism is stupid, but he has definitely mentioned the "German" media thing (wherein all news sources criticizing PiS are owned by Germans and spread anti-PiS propaganda) and has praised stuffing the Supreme Court with more judges (because judges appointed under PO were a poison pill to undermine PiS's efforts to root out corruption, you see).I don't know whether to stop following Polish news because it's just all bad, or keep following it so my only source of information on Poland doesn't become my parents who um aren't a reliable source. E: Gantolandon posted:It's worth pointing out that they only give you money for your first child if you earn less than PLN 800 per month, per person within your family (1200 if your child is disabled). This is a massive "gently caress you" towards single parents. You also lose the right to the money if your son and daughter has children themselves. Ah, grand  . I kept seeing it referred to as a flat benefit for having kids, good to know it's more like a benefit for giant families (with a stay at home mom most likely) than helping out struggling poor single parents.
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 "Through the present (document) it is attested that comrade Stefanescu Eusebiu is an actor of the State Theater of Ploiesti. The aforementioned is cast in the play "the Windmill" by Ion Luca, and the character he's interpreting requires for him to have long hair. Thus the present (document) was issued to serve as justification when confronted by law enforcement." It wasn't allowed for men to have long hair in communist Romania
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3peat posted:
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GreyjoyBastard posted:...Well, did it work?
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Sergiu64 posted:Supposedly Ukrainian units are getting some kind of new home made AT equipment: http://www.diamantova-ledi.top/?p=1742 They sort of resemble Konkurs or Kornet ATGMs to my dumb eyes. I'd read that Ukroboronprom was trying to develop new AT Missiles as well as a load of other prjects, but with no information beyond a few model numbers. It's worth noting that Ukraine provided a lot of high technology to Russia, like certain types of radar and laser guidance proponents, and the conflict meant that Russia is unable to receive a lot of it (though I doubt it has any measurable effect). It's strange suddenly getting information challenging the norm with these conflicts. For years, Russia bragged that Abrams cannot hurt T-90 xaxaxa)))) and it seemed legit, but there are videos in Syria of TOW-2s cutting right through T-90 Shtora and ERA for kill hits. Plan Z fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Mar 7, 2016 |
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Plan Z posted:They sort of resemble Konkurs or Kornet ATGMs to my dumb eyes. I'd read that Ukroboronprom was trying to develop new AT Missiles as well as a load of other prjects, but with no information beyond a few model numbers. It's worth noting that Ukraine provided a lot of high technology to Russia, like certain types of radar and laser guidance proponents, and the conflict meant that Russia is unable to receive a lot of it (though I doubt it has any measurable effect). It never actually seemed legit. The actual armor spaces have remained more or less the same since it was the T-72B. The T-72BU, later re-branded as T-90, was a modernization program to incorporate similar technology to that on what was currently the top-end Soviet tank, the T-80U, into the cheaper T-72 while a the T-80 would be replaced with a new generation top-of-the-line tank (it didn't because the T-80 was a victim of politics after being use incompetently in Chechnya). The biggest addition to protection was to stick Kontact-5 on it to improve kinetic protection rather than just shaped charge protection. Shtora has no impact whatsoever on tank munitions aside from laser guided missiles (see: Russian tanks) and Arena never entered service on the T-90. So the T-90 is essentially an economy model of the T-80U. Now consider that the UK purchased legit modernized T-80Us through a shell corporation in the early 90s, complete with Kontact-5, ammo, etc. They then proceeded to test the hell out of them while passing a few to the US and other NATO countries to do the same. Some apparently did get used in live fire testing, after which the UK, Germany, and the US released a new generation of 120mm kinetic penetrators slightly longer than the previous generation....and that's it. Essentially the US had a tank with nearly identical protection and the same level of sophistication as the T-90 to use as target practice and weapon R&D 15 years ago, and released new generations of ammunition around the time the T-90 entered service. The T-90 was marketed heavily for export from the beginning, though, which is where the TANK STRONK stuff came from. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Mar 7, 2016 |
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Plan Z posted:It's strange suddenly getting information challenging the norm with these conflicts. For years, Russia bragged that Abrams cannot hurt T-90 xaxaxa)))) and it seemed legit, but there are videos in Syria of TOW-2s cutting right through T-90 Shtora and ERA for kill hits. Do you mean that video where a TOW hits a T-90, and the a member of the crew comes out ? It didn't look like a kill and it certainly didn't penetrate. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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Plan Z posted:Fair points. I guess I meant it "legit" in terms of "it could compete in some capacity." The exact stats on any given tank don't matter that much any more. It's not like these are Panthers and Shermans duking it out in the hedgerows of Normandy. Kontakt 5 and Shtora are primarily there to save the crew and secondarily to make the tank recoverable. On a battlefield with AT artillery and 3rd generation ATGMs glued to everything and scout drones loitering overhead, sticking around in a tank that has been hit once but not obviously knocked out is not a great idea. US doctrine has revolved around the idea that "if you can see it you can kill it" and vice versa for 20 years now, and there's nothing to suggest that this is a mistake. The difference between a Challenger 2, an Abrams or a T-90 are pretty marginal in that context. That's why NATO tank design tends to focus on fire control and the latest packages include laser warning sensors that automatically pop off the smoke mortars. The idea is that the first shot of the engagement is probably going to be the last shot, no matter how fancy your armor. Again, this means that the exact capabilities of tanks are not that important in the field. So in a sense the T-90 is about as good as any other modern tank, but you can bet that the US will clown on any country buying export T-90s because of their huge advantage in precision fire support and battlefield networking. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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Ardennes posted:Do you mean that video where a TOW hits a T-90, and the a member of the crew comes out ? It didn't look like a kill and it certainly didn't penetrate. That's one of them, but it didn't look like a kill. Trying to find the other ones, but they were posted by a guy who got banned from the miltalk forum I go to.
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Ardennes posted:Do you mean that video where a TOW hits a T-90, and the a member of the crew comes out ? It didn't look like a kill and it certainly didn't penetrate. He could mean the first one that outright exploded after a rear hit. But yeah, if he means the one that got smacked in the turret face it probably survived the hit. Also notable that ATGMs like TOW using shaped charges tend to be protected from differently than from kinetic penetrators you'd see tanks lobbing at eachother.
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Warbadger posted:He could mean the first one that outright exploded after a rear hit. But yeah, if he means the one that got smacked in the turret face it probably survived the hit. Also read most atgm in Syria aren't latest generation and thus can't actually get a kill on t90 (though I suppose a rear hit is always different)
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Arglebargle III posted:The idea is that the first shot of the engagement is probably going to be the last shot, no matter how fancy your armor. That is quite wrong from what I know. Few years ago during war games in Poland an Abrams tank put five slugs info front turret armor of decomissioned Polish PT-91 (lovely t72 knockoff inferior in every way to T90 and T72B3) and none penetrated. Distance was 1300 metres, and modern DU penetrators were suposedly used. And that ignores additional factors like moving targets, active defences and so on. In the second Chechen war Russians had tanks returning to base after 8 ATGM hits.
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