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OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Whoa: Rada speaker Volodymyr Hroysman has withdrawn his candidacy for PM, as some of his conditions haven't been met. As Yataenyuk's resignation is supposed to be submitted tomorrow, things have gotten pretty strange.

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OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Flavahbeast posted:

is Jaresko still considered a candidate?

Depends on how one defines it. She is interested, but under conditions of a technocratic government, and it's hard to get parliamentary backing w/o handing out ministries, so it doesn't seem likely except as a desperation move (it may be more attend than losing early elections!).

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
The news from Poland made me inspired to share some from Russia: today someone unveiled a 3m-tall statue of Zhirinovskiy, with "God save the Tzar" as the music for the ceremony.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Further update on PM saga in Ukraine: negotiations still going on, so Hroysman candidacy may be back on!

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
"Could have been" is awfully vague. Maybe the conspiracy involved assigning incompetent pilots, after all!

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
So it looks like there will be a Hroysman government in Ukraine after all -- the coalition voted for it in its own meeting (though the Rada vote is still outstanding). Making it work seems to have required an absurd number of Vice Prime Ministers.

Highlights of negotiations mostly involved Ukrainian and Western press demonstrating poor quality of their work (OMG, they are horse-trading over ministerial portofolios, how barbaric --- did they think Steinmeier became German FM because he was the best person in the country for the job?), including complete inability to adjust poorly sourced preconceptions based on actual evidence (what do you mean Hroysman has his own opinions? We KNOW he is Poroshenko's puppet, so clearly this is just super-disfuction unique to Ukraine, and not a politician being less than 100%-aligned with their mentor, which happens everywhere else). Also present was traditional over willingness to take anything journalist/MP Leschenko says as true uncritically, not at all tempered by his inability to do his actual MP job.

OddObserver fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Apr 13, 2016

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

sparatuvs posted:

Russia isn't gonna invade Poland. :toxx:

"Russia isn't going to invade Ukraine", " Russia isn't going to annex Crimea" ---- lots of people slightly over 2 years ago. Having enough of a military that Russia can't even think of a fait accompli is one way of actually making the prediction true.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Totally-unrelated-to-the-press-conference: the worker who asked a year ago about him and his colleagues not getting paid for building the
Vostochniy Kosmodrome has been arrested for 5 days. (And he still hasn't gotten his salary).

There also have been a bunch of FSB raids aimed at pressuring the owner of the RBC news agency to someone who would be less prone to let them do some
occasional journalism.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Earlier someone posted a poll on Polish opinions of various ethnic groups. Here is one of Ukrainian opinion on countries (and one multi-country entity):

I think you can guess the colors, and the names are, top to bottom:
Poland
Belarus
EU
Georgia
Canada
Lithuania
USA
Germany
Moldova
Turkey
Russia

Wonder what they would have gotten were they to ask about the Netherlands...

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

TheWeepingHorse posted:

Czechia and Chechnya, Slovakia and Slovenia, strolling hand-in-hand through a garden maze of potential misunderstandings...

Thankfully the name Ruthenia is out of style...

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

steinrokkan posted:

Ukrainians are impressively ambivalent, is my takeaway from this.

I would say: they either like you or don't care unless you invade them.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

GreyjoyBastard posted:

"I won't shoot, but I'm not too old to carry a club!" :corsair:

First President of Ukraine, Leonid Kravchuk has offered to man a machine gun against the Russians a year or so ago. He was somewhere between 80 and 81 or so at the time ;)

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

steinrokkan posted:

Reminds me of the neo-folk controversy: Are the musicians fascists, or do they merely make music for fascists? And is there a difference?

Well, neo-fascists seem like the fastest growing market segment in Europe these days, so the second category might just be soulless capitalists instead. :shrug:

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
You know where else has a law like that? Russia. Very selectively enforced, of course.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Wait, why would you care about the Catholic Church approving of you leaving (since anyone who wants to leave clearly don't value their opinion in the first place)? Do they have some sort of special legal privileges when it comes to people they consider members?

Also, the kids can surely appeal to ECHR, can't they? (Probably well after their lives get ruined).

OddObserver fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Apr 26, 2016

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
In the other direction, a couple of Russian opposition activists had their Telegram accounts hacked. The process apparenty "coincided" with their phone company (MTS) disabling their service for a period overnight, then someone doing some sort of recovery process and mysteriously getting the code SMS that should have been sent to the temporairly disabled phone number. Wonder how that happened....

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

GreyjoyBastard posted:

God drat it. :mad:

I'd been hoping that the status of the Tatars would be one of the fairly few bright spots in this whole kerfuffle.

One of the first deaths of this war was a Crimean Tatar activist who was kidnapped from a protest and then founded dead, naked, with knife through his eye.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Russia (and probably much of the rest of post-Soviet space) has a serious thing for overuse of dress-military style uniforms --- even the foreign ministry spokeslady has one (in a rather... evocative... black, at that).

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Paladinus posted:

It's not revived, because it never died. But I've heard this year they planned to skip the Labour Day parade because of the Orthodox Easter celebrations, so I'm surprised they actually held it.

This year's in--Russia tactic seems to just combine the two, so you got Orthodox priests walking around with red Lenin banners.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

steinrokkan posted:

It's kinda amazing they are wasting the resources of a besieged city on tacky banners.

"Besieged"? The occupying army has full, unrestricted supply lines to Russia.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Any chance a miracle happened and someone didn't call a ground attack plane a fighter?

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Given the first advisors background, expect people working for Trump companies to be told that if he doesn't win they are all fired, and to keep that in mind while voting.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Mans posted:

Natonalist idiots are attacking Portuguese people in Poland because they think we're Arabs. did they privatize sun rays during the 90's and everyone in Poland is a pale ghoul or something? :psyduck:

That's not really Poland-specific. Here in US a plane got held up because "Middle-Eastern looking" man was scribbling something strange and not explaining it to the lady sitting next to him.
Turned out he was an Italian-born economics professor working for a prestigious university working out some math in preparation for a talk he was going to give.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

alex314 posted:

Ffs, I've posted that picture so we'd make fun of shitheads who call themselves patriots. There's something wrong with you if you think that statue glorifies child soldiers.

What's their angle, anyway? Why would a Polish nationalist have an issue with a memorial for a Polish fighter?

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

-Troika- posted:

What's the status of the front line in Ukraine lately?

Hot enough for a typical day to have something like 1 KIA and 4 WIA per a typical day.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

El Scotch posted:

Hahahahaha

Hey, at least they said "image data for illustration purposes only", which may make the image one of the most honest things they have ever posted.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Rincewinds posted:



Was going to say RIP Grigory but he is apparently not in Russia anymore.

Polonium tea has been known to work outside Russian borders....

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

kalstrams posted:

That's General Shevchenko, chief of ground vehicle department at their MoD.

Ukrainian double-agent spotted.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Attitudes like that is partly why Russian opposition politicians never win.

(And they are even more condescending towards Ukrainians).

Edit: reminds me of how when there was that plane crash near Rostov-on-Don people online were saying how it was a "rural area", never mind it's a city of over a million people and close to the previously densely populated Donbass region of Ukraine...

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
I wonder whether they get a bonus for commenting on the topic of media freedom right after what just happened to RBC.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
The are plenty of Russia-excusing dipshits that don't believe half of Europe has rights and ought to be good little slaves to Russia for in publications as obscure as NY Times.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

fishmech posted:

Can you rewrite this in non-"Frankenstein Gangster Computer God" syntax? Thanks.

Is that a Chomsky joke?

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

StandardVC10 posted:

Does the Assad regime take foreign recruits?

Does the Assad regime have anyone non-foreign fighting for them these days?

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Let's not dehumanize too much, plus the victims of the fire were mostly just heavily anti-Semitic Soviet nostalgia fanatics which were herded in to act as human shields for those who were running around with guns --- who got out from both the building and the country just peachy, along with some of the cop bigwigs who were backing them.

Also sadly the fire truck hijack likely contributed heavily to he outcome, since the nepotism appointee running the emergency services (accomplishment: daddy was a mayor, IIRC) wasn't going to risk another truck just to put out some fire!

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Torquemadras posted:

That's something. Yeah, I guess sanctions are the only thing that could make Russia pay up. Seems hard to say how much it's hitting them, anyway. The best-case scenario with the least death involved really seems to be a slow, drawn-out crippling of the Russian economy, given how entrenched they are...
European courts can also freeze/garnish Russian assets in Europe. That has happened with the Yukos case (until that got reverted) --- stuff like Arianespace payments to Roskosmos would have been diverted as compensation.

Sadly I don't think they have ability to auction off all the real estate in London that was bought by money stolen from the Russian people.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Nenonen posted:

Keeps friends close, enemies even closer?

Nah, that'd be because they are for some reason ungrateful for all the civilizing the Russians burdened themselves with on their behalf.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Young Freud posted:

Apparently Medvedev told an elderly pensioner there was "no more money" to pay pensions . In front of TV cameras. Russian social media has gone apeshit.

He did that in Crimea like a week ago....
(Also told them to "hang in there").

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Of course, they do have money for the defense budget increases....

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

woodenchicken posted:

You don't get it, the military spending will jump start the economy! Somehow!

Given the way those things work in Russia, the main thing it will be jump-starting will be the luxury real estate business in London.

OddObserver fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 9, 2016

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OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Oh boy. Hope that doesn't cause the Ukrainian hooligans to get involved...

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