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In Poland at least there's a "hooligan league" where groups set up skirmishes (along with rules what weapons are allowed for a given fight and expected group size) and assign each other points for who won. The meet-ups are often connected to their team's friendly matches, but not necessarily, if there's a period of boredom. They're often pretty chill towards each other post-battle (as opposed to intra-city semi-criminal rivalry, where you can get your head macheted off).
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Regrettably, the only guy involved with this poo poo first-hand got interested in hooliganish things after we lost contact. Back when I knew him as an acquaintance, he was heavily involved in ONR, which was a source of fun stories on its own.
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Somaen posted:So who is going to do the poo poo jobs at british factories/warehouses/farms if they send us back our lumpenproles The exact same dudes, just illegally.
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The last time this happened (like two years ago?) it was total scaremongering bullshit over standard day-to-day gently caress ups, though up by some hacks with no knowledge of gas transmission that got hard because  PUTIN. I wouldn't give it much thought until it's like complete shut-off, or lasts for a week or so.
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I actually looked up the 2014 case, because I vaguely remembered it being entertainingly dumb, and I was not disappointed. PGNiG (state oil & gas company) sent out a number of announcements that 45% of their daily demand is unfulfilled and a bunch of newspapers lost their poo poo about it. What actually happened was, the gas flowed at the usual rates, while PGNiG increased their order by said 45% and it took Gazprom a few days to adjust.  The thursday/friday flows of this week actually dropped by mere 8%, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was another case of dumb wording and scaremongering. 8% disruption of gas supply for 18 hours really isn't a newsworthy occurence.
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never trust an elf posted:How many European countries get their gas supply directly from Russia? The pipes go all the way to France, but not everyone is equally reliant on the Russian supplies. Like, for France a shut-off of 15% of their gas supplies would be a mild inconvenience of having to form some new trade deal while the stored gas reserves slowly peter out, while the Baltic States are 100% reliant on Russia, except for the new LNG terminal in Klaipeda, which is more of a negotiation tool anyway (They semi-recently renegotiated the volume of deliveries from Statoil down, due to terrible economics given prolonged slump in gas prices and the only actual gas storage infrastructure in the region - located in Latvia - is co-owned by Gazprom itself, with legally enforced monopoly until 2017). quote:Rollouts and Energiewende As much as retarded post-Fukushima German-tsunami fearing rollback is dumb and terrible and contributing to renewables being unable to catch up with demand, it is the choice of wind and solar that is driving the current shameful return to coal. Basically, the hosed up thing about electricity market is the current inability to store energy at the industrial/national* scale, leading to (somewhat predictable) swings of frying your neighbor's power grid and being stuck with deficiencies*. This leads to the need of appointing so-called load following power plants, that heat up and down across the day to make up for these inconsistencies. This is generally less efficient than heating the plant up once and keeping at it, which combined with the fact renewables - for all the hype for (legit impressive and exciting) efficiency gains year on year - are still chosen for political**, rather than economical reasons, leads to going for the cheap thing. German case is extra hosed, because the strong push to boost renewable energy development made fossil fuel plants are kinda legit uncompetitive economically (especially the load following ones), and yet have to be kept to sustain the system (both for peak balancing and general catching up with demand), making them this burdensome red-headed stepchild. E.On, a major energy utility, actually spun off it's fossil fuel facilities into a separate company they're now looking to dump on some unsuspecting fools. Also, AFAIR, the Germans are, ironically enough, leaning on lignite, that is some shittiest, dirtiest cheap-rear end coal there is. * From the  perspective, Austrians are particular assholes about these swings.** Before anyone gets angry, in this context I treat climate change consideration as political matters. AMA European Energy, Oil & Gas Lichtenstein fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Tevery Best posted:What are the odds of reducing Poland's dependence on coal in the next decade, two, and five? Shale gas went bust, the nuclear project hasn't even started to build anything yet as far as I know, and the LNG terminal in Swinoujscie is apparently so uncertain at this point it hasn't even appeared on the map a few posts up as prospective. It's fully dependent on A) Members of PiS being summarily executed. B) EU grilling our asses over it real hard. Seriously though: domestic coal industry will be a terrible bubble burst in coming years, while the alternatives are bogged down in issues on their own. Polish coal has been artificially propped for years for political reasons - basically, if you go Thatcher on miners you've got the whole of Silesia unemployed and angry at you, which is deemed political suicide, while at the same time nobody really formulated a decent plan to create new jobs once the coal industry inevitably dies off. Even the good guys Razem are kinda iffy on the matter, as they both want to push for green energy (it's a lefty thing to do), while also feeling obliged to stand by the miners due to being pro-unions/workers (it's a lefty thing to do) and having Silesia one of their most supportive regions. Even they are a bit schizophrenic about it, though it bears mentioning they actually are talking about trying to establish alternatives for the populace (if, afair, being fairly vague about it so far). Now, economically speaking, Polish coal is in a terrible situation. The industry is infamously mismanaged, corrupt and mostly operating at loss, with the 2015 restructuting plan of Kompania Węglowa (largest coal company in Europe) being literally carving it into pieces and forcing onto state power utilities so they can cover them with profits from their other segments. Remember when I said operating at loss? Only 3 of their 15 mines sell above production costs. Now, this isn't all due to industry itself being terrible - right now, it's a bad moment for coal worldwide, with prices low due to market reasons, and slowly-but-surely tightening climate change-related regulation actually starting to prompt divestment from coal. It's plain hard to sell coal, especially given the fact Poland has no qualms to buy even cheaper lovely lignite from Ukraine/Russia over domestic bitumen. There's also the matter of spending a lot of cash to replace existing coal-oriented infrastructure with something new, including world's second largest coal-powered plant in Bełchatów. Finally, there's the issue of PiS being fond of supporting coal, as a mixture of targeting the working class, having a hard-on for everything domestic, and generally giving no fucks about climate change and environment. Now, the problem is, there's really no-one taking steps to get this poo poo in check, and it is clear a failure is inevitable. Not only is public support for mines that bleed money a loving bubble waiting to burst, but also we're simply starting to run out of resources. Eventually, the production will decline to levels where there's nothing to Potemkin up. Now, as for the current state of alternatives: - Shale gas is loving dead and forgotten and buried. - Our supposed nuclear power plant still doesn't even have it's location chosen, with the latest presented deadline being end of 2017? I think they're still having trouble finding an investor. - Domestic non-shale oil and gas resources are actually being developed quite decently, but we're no Saudi Arabia to really lean on that. - Renewable energy development, as was the case in most of Eastern Europe, was a result of being forcibly dragged by the EU under threat of sanctions, notoriously late with reaching milestones and not willing to lift a finger above what's absolutely necessary. It should be telling, that our most successful and developed type of RES is co-firing of biomass with coal, which - just like it sounds - is complete bullshit meant to greenwash our continued coal use to fake renewables so that Merkel stops bothering us about this climate thing. Developers across all renewable energy segments are sitting twiddling their thumbs, waiting for the long-promised feed-in tariff auction for renewables that went MIA. Nobody's keen to invest having no idea what support to expect, and it's doubly not looking good, as PiS is seen to greatly favor coal over renewables. In May, a particularly controversial law was passed, greatly limiting legal locations for wind turbines, seen somewhat as an industry killer. It's strict enough so that any further expansion is pretty much limited to offshore instalations on the Baltic (which is naturally more expensive). I'm not sure whether turbines that are no longer placed legally under the new law are to be torn down or left as is. - The LNG terminal was a bit of a clusterfuck do far, but is probably the most prospective idea we've devloped so far. The construction was politically motivated (as a Klaipeda-style negotiation tool/failsafe against Russians and a general feelgood project) and led to signing a contract with Qatar so (most probably) unfavorable, the operator refused to disclose how much we're actually paying for it. And then the construction ran late, forcing us to pay for contracted deliveries we had no way of receiving. Having said that, it is finished and it works and it has decent capacity. There's still a bunch of pipes to be built to properly integrate it with domestic transmission system - and foreign ones, as we have plans of stealing Klaipeda's thunder in establishing a regional LNG trading hub. Whether those ambitions will work out is difficult to state right now - the focus LNG trade is a hip idea across Europe, but it's still a fairly early idea that runs headfirst into current prolonged oil price slump, making fancy investments impractical economically. Also, it bears mentioning LNG trade does not necessarily mean breaking trade with Russia, rather just a possibility of doing so - for what LNG market there is already in Poland ("small LNG", primarily gas-fueled automotive transport), everyone screwed the Amsterdam hub and simply sent out trucks to Kaliningrad. Unless something changed since September 2015 when I had a chance to speak with some traders, Kalingrad can easily out-price our terminal (I don't really understand/remember the details, but the gist was using internal Russian prices). And as Europe keeps building LNG terminals, so Gazprom expands its liquefying capacity in Kaliningrad and Petersburg. So we'll see whether we'll trade western gas, or keep buying Russian with perhaps better position to bargain. TL;DR We'll keep status quo until domestic coal industry implodes, and then we'll start scrambling to fix it in whatever way is cheapest. Somaen posted:The LNG terminal in Klaipeda is pretty big, is there a chance it could supply the Baltic countries and part of Poland as an alternative to Russian pipeline gas? The biggest deal with Klaipeda terminal is that it's the literally only source other than Russian pipelines there is for these countries. Lithuania has a big first move advantage (over Świnoujście and other potential wannabees) and is pushing for LNG fairly hard, what with investing in transport LNG infrastructure, or handing out tariff exemptions and poo poo. Terminal's capacity theoretically covers some 80% of overall demand in the Baltic states and Litgas is already making decent sales to Estonia, with Latvia being a bit of a tricky case. I remember Estonia mulling construction of their own LNG terminal (presumably for dickwaving purposes), but I don't think the idea really went forward. The problems are twofold: - As I've mentioned before, the only gas storage infrastructure in the region lies in Latvia, operated by Latvijas Gāze, whose biggest shareholder is Gazprom at 34%. That's a glaring weakness Gazprom could use to gently caress the Latvians over - they're already using their position as sole transmission operator and seller to avoid buying Lithuanian's LNG*. Then again, in April 2017 their sales monopoly (a relic of 1997 privatization agreement) will expire and both the government and EU are keen to get this poo poo interconnected, so there's a fair chance this will shake out nicely. - The gas prices are still really loving low right now, and so buying LNG is a bit of a frivolity. The terminal allowed Lithuania to pressure Gazprom into a 20% discount and everyone was satisfied enough with it, the contract with Statoil had to be changed to buy less gas, as was suddenly too expensive. This is really loving up investment in anything that could be defined as a new source of gas - be it production, pipelines or LNG infrastructure, and so is a bit of a waiting game. It's a factor that makes it really hard to give a decent prediction for the future of the market. Personally, I think Klaipeda has a good chance of being a success story, even if there's still quite a road ahead of it. Really, even if Baltic States keep buying Russian gas 'till the end of time, the terminal's mere existence is a big loving deal. * Since this might be unclear to some concerned locals: Litgas has an agreement for gas transit through Latvia - to Estonia, basically - but Latvijas Gaze is going "we Latvians get our gas from Gazprom just fine, no need to buy from you dudes".
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GreyjoyBastard posted:PiS' top necromancers are working on restoring Pilsudski to working order. There was a really cool Polish comic book, Romanticism:  A sequel to Essence, sorta-mystery comic done for a contest to promote Warsaw - a kooky story about liquefying books that served as a pretext to draw cool places and landmarks in the city. Romanticism was basically more of the same, but this time it's about the Minister of Culture getting fed up with the shallowness of modern culture and reviving top XIX-century artists as freak vampires sustained by the blood of Polish intelligentsia. I'm expecting the life to imitate art any time now. Lichtenstein fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Jul 5, 2016 |
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AFAIK they did the numbers and chilled out a bit about Fukushima.
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icantfindaname posted:Japanese government and regulators don't give a gently caress about public opinion Good.
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I'm on the phone, somebody please post the "Tusk did Smoleńsk" leaflets that are given out to NATO officials.
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Douze pointe!
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Trump's border wall project is clearly mason lobbying.
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Good. Kartofling it up in Warsaw is borderline treason.
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So, the Supreme Court of sustained the rejection of financial statements of Nowoczesna and Razem. In effect, Nowoczesna is losing 75% of its subvention (circa PLN 4.6 mn) and Razem gets slapped for 40k out of its 3.18 mn. [insert joke about Zandberg and 75% tax for the richest] [insert joke about businessman Petru being unable to fill out a tax form, complete with a blue border and a meercat] edit: moon language source for the interested. Lichtenstein fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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OddObserver posted:What's the deal with some new anti-abortion law in the Sejm I saw some reports of? The same full abortion ban goons were bitching about a few months ago, just finally made its way to parliamentary voting. It (protesting) honestly gained a bit more traction than I expected, though I sadly expect it to be more of a flavor of the month thing. Then again we just had a Nowoczesna-PO twitter war on whether Donald Tusk was or was not a homophobe, so maybe things are changing in this country.
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A Pale Horse posted:There were protests in 143 different cities and towns from what I've read and about 100,000 total participants according to police (which means the actual figure is probably several times that as the police have been, at the behest of the government, grossly underestimating official protest figures since PiS came into power).
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Nah, the absolute best was the"polka walcząca" one. I'm phoneposting, so I'll edit a photo in in about one hour.
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aphid_licker posted:What would you even be looking for on a corpse that would help prove this. Satanic bar codes.
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A Pale Horse posted:"Historia Roja" which I saw earlier this year Whyyyyyyyy?
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Pierogi posted:The heart is the symbol for a huge charity which is not liked by pis, because it's secular(???) I feel this one bears explaining to foreign goons. The dude who organizes this (basically Poland's #1 annual charity drive) also has a second major project, the so-called "Woodstock Festival", which is exactly what it sounds like - a big, good-natured rock music festival for dumb teens to get hosed up in mud. Both events are running annually from deep 90s. Now, as you all should known, in issues exist in public space because of and only if church has some opinion on it. In this case, the laissez-faire semi-hippy attitude of Jerzy Owsiak (the organizer peeps are mad at) pushed some buttons of people who perceive the event as the most wretched hive of scum and villainy, where young people can get drunk and get free condoms and sex-ed tips (they would die of a heart attack if they heard of the burning man). Being really pissed at it, the hate sort of expanded to WOŚP (the charity drive) by osmosis, for being another thing done by Owsiak.Few years ago (2011 I think?) the whole thing escalated a bit, as Owsiak got fed up and denied access to the festival to the church-organized stand, supposedly present on the events to help with anti-drug campaigns, but in practice notorious for pushy evangelizing (I think it was the stealth-construction of own stage that broke the camel's back). I think, but may be wrong, that only Hare Krishna shares the priviledge of being booted from the event for pushiness. And now the angry dudes keep being even more angry because that's just kind of what they do.
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Tevery Best posted:Has someone published a "how to spin a disgustingly evil legislation after you have to withdraw it" book recently, because the govt here says the exact same thing every time "It's not legislation, it's a social experiment".
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I'm eagerly awaiting for the europarliamentarians to learn the Korwin-Mikke drinking game. You drink whenever he mentions Hitler
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It's all descendants of Great Lechia anyway.
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Sorry, I call bullshit to an extent. Things like Silesian and Kashubian are really quite incomprehensible lingual mish-mashes, but they sort of straddle the line between a dialect and microlanguage and the current consensus favors the latter (it's really mostly Silesians that get dunked on, as they lack a decent ethnic claim to justify the distinction). poo poo, the recent movie Jestem mordercą had to back away from using Silesian for being too incomprehensible, settling on Silesian phonetics and few familiar-sounding words peppered in. Let's also not pretend stuff like the Podhale, or Kresy dialects are easily understandable. As for the resettlements, while what you said was true, it bears mentioning it is fairly geographically specific (basically primarily dumping all the folks from former Polish lands in the east to the newly-gained westernmost land) and the whole thing is considered to be one of the four main dialect groups. Well, maybe the rebuilt cities liek Bydgoszcz and Warsaw count too. Having said that, it is true the modern dialects are mostly relegated to, and associated with, rural areas and using them paints you as a hick. Kind of like under the soviet rule Ukrainian was pushed as inferior to the more 'worldly' Russian, if perhaps less malevolent (mostly borne out of rapid urbanization and increased social mobility). The city folk mostly differ in inane "soda vs coke" things, with more distinct traits of old urban dialects considered harmless folklore. As for translations, people usually fall on (heavily sanitized for clarity) Silesian or Podhale dialect, as the remainder are primarily associated with countryside (more often than not disparagingly), rather than particular regions. Hell, even the Podhale dialect is used for comedic effect more often than not. (There's also a bunch of really wierd-rear end ethnic microlanguages under varying levels of Polish influence, like Rusyn, Karaim or Wymysiöeryś, but they're really minor and basically impossible to stumble upon by accident)
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SaltyJesus posted:the crazy old monarchist? I sometimes want to do a big write-up about the dude and the subculture around him, but it'd be a LOT of effort. So just enjoy a moon language video about a europarliamentarian unboxing the Time To Plough Socialism CCG.
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There's an online contest for naming Poland government's new planes. My vote is Boeing 2137.
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Donald Tusk would also work pretty well, I think.
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anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:The man has a website and all. You can keep up on his every activity: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news I was so scared it'll be Yuliya.
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The coolest thing about each subsequent government pretending everything is fine with Poland's coal industry and some other future party will have to deal with Mad Maxian descent into unemployment and chaos in the whole of Silesia is that not only we keep heavily subsidizing the economically unsustainable industry (Kompania Węglowa, Europe's largest coal producer had only like 2 mines in the black out of 11) that's increasingly running out of resources as we speak, but also the current line is finding any possible way to create demand for coal (poo poo like pushing hard for coal-biomass co-firing to handwave away the EU climate obligations) and then buying more coal from the Ukraine, because domestic production is too low quality to use in the plants built for it. The coal industry was really privileged back in 70s-80s, which left a lasting impression of it being a matter of the uppity miners constantly throwing a tantrum so they never have to change a thing. Which, admittedly, isn't that far from the truth (it's some noir poo poo out there), but over past decades it has snowballed through all sorts of extreme mismanagement, corruption and neglect to offer these people any sort of meaningful alternative into one hot mess that'll one day erupt into both power blackouts and riots. It really has no other solution than years of patient restructures that nobody bothered to do, because it's easier to take a small cut out of the budget and forget about the issue for the next four years. poo poo is tough: let's just say that even the thread favorite Razem are unable to give clear proposals on how to reunite their anti-coal and pro-worker stances. Poland's energy situation is extremely depressing to learn more about : the painful awareness of how close all the bubbles are to bursting and how little is done about it (feel free to quote me on brownout boogaloo in early 2020s). Like, for all of PiS' blatant fetishization of coal and retarded poo poo, I can't honestly say they're particularly more harmful than the previous government in terms of energy policy. It's that bad. And it's extra depressive if you have an inkling of the quality of crisis management out here. Tevery Best posted:coal cures cancer As an aside, I'm kind of proud this angry little quip of mine [edit] AMA about energy while I'm still angry and sad
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Are you perhaps talking about the open-pit mine at Gubin, near the border with Germany? Because it's (darkly) hilarious: a random-rear end lignite (shittiest, cheapest coal) mine far away from the whole coal-industrial complex to be plopped entirely down on the basis of "gently caress it, we're doing coal anyway" with the authorities trying to convince everyone open-pit mining isn't that big of a deal despite an open-pit industrial hellscape being just few kilometers away on the German side of the border.
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I'm not quite sure myself about this one (I think it did pass indeed?), but a while ago a similar bill was passed regarding street names. Back in early 90s we had a massive wave of madcap renaming all socialist-sounding street names (mostly to various catholic saints), which was understandable given the circumstances, but apparently it wasn't enough for PiS. This time it's fairly hilarious, however, because everyone is mostly pissed about the costs of said changes (ranging through new street signs to replacing personal passports) so most local governments are playing a bullshit game of renaming the badwrong street names to the exact same name, with some flimsy-rear end new justification. Like, literally, we had the "July 22 street" blacklisted (symbolic date of establishment of the Polish People's Republic) with city mayors changing them into "July 22 street" because "that's such a nice summer day". Lichtenstein fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Meanwhile, on the right.
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Just to clear any confusion, this is from state loving tv.
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steinrokkan posted:How many people will get disappeared because of it? Nobody, probably. This kind of "ancient grandpas and zero budget" embarrassing trash is a very PiS thing to introduce to the public tv. Perhaps the most ridiculed example was the Studio Yayo "comedy" show, but you really need to understand the language to know how extremely bad it was. Besides, this particular grandpa is, well, not at his first rodeo. Lichtenstein fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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Karmalis posted:Eastern Europe is loving awesome  quote:Just wish Poland would get those roads done as I almost crashed into a pile of sand while trying to drive around a car accident.  There's, like, medieval texts of foreign merchants already bitching about the sorry state of Poland's road network.
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PiS is pushing for essentially direct control over hiring and firing judges as they please (including the Supreme Court judges) and everyone else understandably got really mad at it and there's a giant shitstorm going on. The draft is both rushed to reach second reading overnight (I think, but I might have lost track myself) while the president apparently discovered he has a free will and threatened to not sign the bill in the current form. Which is 99.8% likely that PiS is going for the door-in-the-face technique again, hitting with a completely ridiculous proposal only to gracefully backpedal to something that's still putinesque as gently caress, but feels like a hard-won victory for the opposition. But we'll see.
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