|
|
#
¿
Feb 13, 2022 23:30
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 10, 2024 02:13 |
|
|
OddObserver posted:It's also that there are only like 5 journalists that normally cover Ukraine, so when the topic is hot they go to someone without a clue, so you end up with stuff like this: I wouldn't call Democratic Axe a far right group, but they are comfortably on the right, where aligning with Svoboda, C14, National Sector, and other actual far right groups against Zelenskyi is not seen by them as controversial. In fact, the article doesn't call them far right either (or was it updated?). quote:Democratic Ax — one of dozens of right-wing or nationalist groups that represent a potent political force in Ukraine and are fiercely opposed to any compromise with Moscow This is factual to my knowledge.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 14, 2022 15:17
|
|
|
While both Russia and Ukraine have shared history of anti-semitism, and both sides of the armed conflict in Ukraine definitely have bona fide nazis fighting for them, there are also important differences in how far right nationalism is present in political discourse in the two countries. It's an extremely complicated topic with centuries of historical background, but it's fair to say that in Ukraine, where communist parties are outright illegal, far right groups have a disproportionate amount of influence even compared to Russia. They may not be explicitly represented in Rada, but they are well represented in various committees and in social life in general. There was even an article about this by Bellingcat https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-...ces-to-the-u-s/ Despite the ban on symbols of Soviet and nazi totalitarian regimes, people are disproportionately arrested and fined for the former, while display of the latter is occasionally encouraged by local governments.  This is an actual photo from the funeral of the last Waffen-SS Division Galicia veteran in Frankivsk. The mayor of the city attended it and commented he was proud that his grandfather also served in SS Galicia. Nobody was arrested or fined for this, or even reprimanded. Russia had its own period of catering to the extreme right domestically, but that mostly ended around 2015 when the so-called Russian March no longer had government's support, and many of the participating far-right groups were banned as extremists, with their leaders either arrested or leaving the country. Not all, however, as some notable participants, who agreed to soften their rhetoric and play nice with Putin's team, were appropriated into mainstream. Here's current RosCosmos director Rogozin at the Russian March in 2011  Rogozin's party Rodina that used to campaign on slogans like 'Moscow is for Russians' now runs on a bland patriotic left of centre platform and is basically irrelevant. RNE, whose flag is in the background, still have a significant presence in LDNR's military, but they're basically inactive in Russia itself. Fundamentalist and traditionalist movements like Sorok Sorokov have been gaining traction lately on the wave of COVID protests. They are not strictly opposition or Putin supporters, so Kremlin's stance on them for now is mild annoyance, but compared to the liberal/democratic opposition you could say they enjoy a preferential treatment. There is also an obvious nationalistic streak to almost all mainstream opposition parties, nominally left and right (LDPR, CPRF, and Just Russia). The more radical far right groups, however, are still stomped out in Russia, as they are seen as a legitimate threat to the ideological status quo and the shaky pseudo-multicultural social contract. To sum up, Putin is happy to support the far right abroad, but doesn't want them protesting at his own doorsteps like it often happens in Ukraine.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 14, 2022 18:48
|
|
|
mobby_6kl posted:Yeah nazis are real and bad unfortunately. One thing that's not really helping is getting invaded by your long time frenemy. It's pretty much inevitable that the most active resistance is going to be by the most radical nationalists. It's true, and it does explain why Azov was seen as a necessary evil in 2014, when Ukrainian military was in shambles. However, Ukraine still has basically rogue paramilitary units who disobey direct orders of Zelenskyi himself. You can't explain it away by necessity anymore.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 14, 2022 19:12
|
|