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tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica
While we're doing the agility chat, besides boosting "ease of evasion" the game also mentions "and other actions". This is simultaneously both kinda vague and accurate, since the "other actions" include using pretty much any (non-weapon) item, if I'm not mistaken. In short, higher agility means quicker estus sips.

Also, remember to exhaust npc dialogue and chat with them every now and then. Many of them gift you useful stuff depending on what you've done. Or they might do... other actions.

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Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Looking forward to the repeat of Knight Solaire

DrTempest
Dec 11, 2011

It's not cute. It's all very serious.
Episode 15: Hats for Everyone! and Episode 16: Invisibullshit now up!

Nietzschean loves this zone.

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


I think that the Shaded Woods are meant to be a mid-game area from memory. The ghosts in particular are a lot less awful when you can kill them in 2-4 hits instead of 10-12. Admittedly my build was power-stanced great-swords so I did an assload of damage when I swung and had a wide enough angle to catch them easily.

I cannot recall if the Shrine of Winter is ever explained but if you think to the first game what's going on is a bit less obtuse. I think there should be a fragrant branch of yore on a merchant you can buy. There is also one other path available to you, although you need to buy a ring from the cat to reach it.

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
horse, beware of message.

I like Vengarl's hat.
There's a certain piece of equipment. I don't remember where you get it, and it's not particularly useful in general. But it looks amazing when combined with Vengarl's hat.
The combination may click instantly when you see it.

It can help to advance gradually and really stare into the fog to spot all the ghosts guarding the woods porn or whatever is in those chests, but that's slow.

Quantum Cat
May 6, 2007
Why am I in a BOX?WFT?!

Though there are items that will let you reallocate stat points you may want to be more wary of just dumping them into whatever, as certain stats like VIT are this game's version of resistance and are almost trap stats thanks to how the numbers work and the inclusion of certain items. In a similar dick move the developers have also included certain armor sets early on, as new player traps, and you may want to examine what you wear accordingly.

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica
Hahahaha


By the way there's no orange soapstone in this game, you can write messages from the menu

Archenteron
Nov 3, 2006

:marc:
So you chatted up all of Vengarl's talk options. Did you ever chat up the merchant granny in Cardinal Tower?

Gothsheep
Apr 22, 2010

Lord_Magmar posted:

I think that the Shaded Woods are meant to be a mid-game area from memory. The ghosts in particular are a lot less awful when you can kill them in 2-4 hits instead of 10-12. Admittedly my build was power-stanced great-swords so I did an assload of damage when I swung and had a wide enough angle to catch them easily.



Yeah, you can do the four Great Souls in any order, but you...definitely choose one of the hardest ones with this path, I think.

DrTempest
Dec 11, 2011

It's not cute. It's all very serious.
Episode 17: Curses! and Episode 18: A Sober Player is an Unhappy Player are up! My bad. Forgot about this whole... thing. Life getting in the way.

Anyways, enjoy!

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


So the petrified dragon bone is an upgrade material, specifically for Boss weapons. To talk to the friend with claws you need the ring of whispers, although it isn't particularly important. Mainly he's an additional summon sign for the boss that is right in front of the fog gate, he also gives some interesting lore.

The Krogans are lion people by the way.

Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Mar 31, 2016

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
Oh jesus christ I'm not even a minute and a half in and I'm already losing my poo poo at the whip probing.

Gothsheep
Apr 22, 2010

Lord_Magmar posted:

So the petrified dragon bone is an upgrade material, specifically for Boss weapons.


Likewise, the Poison Stone is like a Bolt Stone or Drake Stone. It's used in weapon infusion.

Quantum Cat
May 6, 2007
Why am I in a BOX?WFT?!

If you are having trouble with or are getting frustrated by your endurance running out you should really consider leveling it. Also, keep in mind that the protection any armor offers is balanced against the cost of higher equip load and all that entails.

Lprsti99
Apr 7, 2011

Everything's coming up explodey!

Pillbug
So, I might be jumping the gun a bit, but I'm worried I'll forget to say something by the time you post the episodes: Enemies in the Doors of Pharros area (and another we've yet to see) respawn infinitely, for a very specific reason.

NGDBSS
Dec 30, 2009






Lprsti99 posted:

So, I might be jumping the gun a bit, but I'm worried I'll forget to say something by the time you post the episodes: Enemies in the Doors of Pharros area (and another we've yet to see) respawn infinitely, for a very specific reason.
Are you certain of that? I've exhausted the enemies in these areas before while grinding for a certain item.

Edit: Alright, apparently this was a change made in Scholar, and I'd done the grinding on the original version. It's still better to use the normal means, of course, so carry on! (Due to playstyle differences the normal means were not exactly on the table for me.)

NGDBSS fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Apr 3, 2016

DrTempest
Dec 11, 2011

It's not cute. It's all very serious.
Episode 19: Covered with Scorpions and Episode 20: The Dog That Never Ends now up!


Lprsti99 posted:

So, I might be jumping the gun a bit, but I'm worried I'll forget to say something by the time you post the episodes: Enemies in the Doors of Pharros area (and another we've yet to see) respawn infinitely, for a very specific reason.

Funny you mention that.

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
Might I suggest taking a closer look at the stats on rings?

Alternative ep20 title: The Return of Depth Perception

Why are those alcoves there? Well, "it's a collapsed dwarven thing town" certainly justifies it. The place being named Doors of Pharros lends some credence to that. But I don't think that's what you're asking. The question you are asking, you are only asking because you already had the answer in the first place: "So you'll run in and die."

Shifty gimbal
Dec 28, 2008

Hey you... I got something to tell ya
Biscuit Hider
The doors of Pharros used to be my favorite gimmick area, but it's pretty much dead now. They might go thru the whole place without ever encountering its gimmick, which is a real shame and a loss for both of them. It used to be impossible to avoid.

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica
Trying a despawn a drat little rat :v:

Bosses take less damage when you have a co-op summon with you. Your faith and int are both so low that the ooze and resin barely help you, I guess.

Also miraculously you managed to spend two of your four lockstones on actually useful contraptions, there's not too many of those in Doors of Pharros. The messages near them should be useful if you want to "spoil" yourself.

DrTempest posted:

So, I'm kinda confused on how we went, you know, up a hill and into a desert.

I'm sure that as you progress further in the game this part will feel outright natural.

Gimbal lock posted:

The doors of Pharros used to be my favorite gimmick area, but it's pretty much dead now. They might go thru the whole place without ever encountering its gimmick, which is a real shame and a loss for both of them. It used to be impossible to avoid.

Yeah it felt unfortunate.

DrTempest
Dec 11, 2011

It's not cute. It's all very serious.
Episode 21: Surprise! You're Dead. and Episode 22: The Peasant Uprising now up!

The moment we've all been waiting for expecting.

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


So the spiders are indeed afraid of fire, and that chest trap is actually kind of funny if you already have a torch lit. Basically the red orb alerts/aggros all the spiders hiding in caves that you can't see. So as you got they all crawl out the walls and fall from the ceiling and theoretically kill you horribly, if you have a torch lit they crawl out and then start running into the walls away from your torch. There's a hidden passage in the room just before the Prowling Magus fight, who by the way is possibly the easiest boss in the game.

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT
I applaud you guys for your tenacity, but have you maybe considered exploring down a different major branch if things get to be too much of a wall here?

Off the top of my head your options are: going further down that tunnel in Majula with the rotating mechanism, somehow unlocking the alternate path in that tunnel, or going down the big Majula well.

That said, I think you guys can complete this area if you git gud enough.

Tarezax fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Apr 10, 2016

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!

Nietzschean posted:

There's a solution to this kind of problem. Ignore it!
Sadly, you cannot simply throw bounce pads at everything, and canned operating-a-thing animations in general do not render you invulnerable this time around.

I think Melentia has some lifegems you could go get too.

Finally, have you guys figured out why you're suddenly pivoting and attacking in unintended directions?

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica
I was honestly pretty amazed you didn't realize that since you can cheese the first peasant by letting the rock fall on top of him, you could also do the same kinda thing with the other rock. :v:

You still take damage while in the backstab/riposte animation but I think it's only like around 30% or something. Reduced nonetheless.

Tarezax posted:

Off the top of my head your options are: going further down that tunnel in Majula with the rotating mechanism, somehow unlocking the alternate path in that tunnel, or going down the big Majula well.

The other option is the Bastille if you happen to find a Fragrant Branch. Honestly my recommendation is going through the tunnel, you've already been tackling areas that are more difficult than the alternatives.

Tarezax posted:

That said, I think you guys can complete this area if you git gud enough.

This is true though

tiistai fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Apr 10, 2016

DrTempest
Dec 11, 2011

It's not cute. It's all very serious.
Episode 23: ...So Where's the Dragon? and Episode 24: Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Badger! now up!

I think we're going to drop down to one set of two videos per week for a bit. Life has been a bit rough lately.


But enough of that! Enjoy, guys!

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


So the Dragonrider is kind of easy because he's potentially the first boss in the game. Also the Dragon he rode in on is probably the one that you saw on the other path, which you really should finish. Also should I share the very stupid thing the game did with npc quests or do you want to discover that particular mechanic alone?

No Man's Wharf in general is kind of great, especially if you have a great-sword, as a bunch of enemies can be sent flying off the wharf or if they're holding on to sneak up behind knocked down with a slamming attack.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
I'm liking the variety of weapons used. I had no idea whips were that powerful.

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
Remember, in Dark Souls, "close" is not merely "a reasonable striking distance."
"Close" is "armor-inspecting face-on-enemy-grundle-rubbing this-Taurus-Demon-is-not-anatomically-correct touching-the-enemy's-buttcheeks-despite-being-in-front-of-them" distance.

Also Dark Souls does not take place on a planet with seas of alcohol you can stop jumping in.

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica
I think you were one Talk away from exhausting Licia's dialogue, and that would have actually happened to be pretty useful! And speaking of which, a reminder that NPCs may get new stuff to say (or give or do) after certain points in the story or after you've done something else related to them. The crestfallen warrior for example has something that triggers after x number of deaths which I'm sure you've hit ages ago.

Like Nietzschean showed with the old knights, rolling toward the enemy to get behind them and their attacks is pretty important, since rolling backwards when fighting against an enemy with long reach (or sideways when their reach is wide) usually just means you're going to get killed. I said before to do it when the enemy is lunging at you but in reality it actually works like most of the time anyway. :v: If I recall correctly you can more or less avoid Pursuer's every attack just by dodging at his sword.

DrTempest
Dec 11, 2011

It's not cute. It's all very serious.
Episode 25: Not the Deadmines and Episode 26: Drunk Souls 2: The Lance Edition now up!


Oh man, we got lost. We got better, though.

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT

You missed a switch up at the very top of No-Man's Wharf, because Dr. Tempest ran right past it and dropped off that platform without looking at it.

There's also two secret doors in the area that you missed because you didn't read the messages in front of them.

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
You've met everyone's favorite character! Try wheel, but stay calm.

The lance. Think of the lance as the police officer asking Nietzschean to walk in a straight line. The results, they are what you'd expect.

As for the discrepancy between the two summons, I thiiiink you have both white soapstones you can compare?

The big lantern, it does indeed do something (in addition to general visibility, I mean), and that something is directly related to the BEES situation.

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


Cahrillion of the Fold is just being a jerk, he's thinks you're dumb and so won't talk to you about sorcery. At least I think that's what's going on with him. You really should go beat that dragon by the way, he's not that hard to be honest. At least if you know what you're doing in regards to dragon fighting. I think he's roughly as hard as the Dragonrider from memory.

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

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The dragon is piss-easy, the jerks beforehand are far more of a problem.

Funnily enough, you weren't even that wrong with the Legend of Zelda solution for No Man's Wharf: you have to ring a bell, which happens if you pull the lever that was mentioned. You can clearly see it in the video, it's well-lit. But you can absolutely just shoot the bell from somewhere else and get the same result!

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica
Yeah the problem was that once you finally started looking around carefully instead of running through the level, you looked pretty much everywhere except the part where you were supposed to :v:

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
"Lance Bass is my favourite Pokemon."

ZeeToo
Feb 20, 2008

I'm a kitty!
Oh my god that lance. :allears:

I was making the same sort of noises Nietzschean was as I watched it.

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔
The Grand Lance is loving amazing, by the way; it used to be found (in vanilla DS2) at the very end of the game, now you can have an insanely high damage, actually rather easy to wield, sick counterdamage (aka attack when they attack you) weapon right at the start. You can murder PvP opponents with its absurd tracking, too.

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Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


It also completely murders poise even through shields.

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