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Mar 28, 2004

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Vahtooch posted:

Absolutely stunning op. Now I'll just go back to sipping lattes and not wanting to work hard, and you know, crying into said latte since I just read this.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2016/march/1456750800/richard-cooke/boomer-supremacy

Oh yeah I forgot you can't get a shot of whiskey after midnight. Pathetic. I hate this city.

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My god, that boomer article is depressing.

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Grouchio posted:

So. lovely little government down under. Ive got a question for you.

What's baking you harder? Your summer outback sun? Or your Chinese dependencies lighting themselves on fire?

Heres a better question: are you ready for a bad time?

Why do foreigners always drop in here to ask gloating questions about whatever lovely economist article they read this week? Have they been harboring miserable jealousy since the GFC and now they're trying to spread it globally?

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They're just getting him off the TV for a couple of months. He'll have a nice holiday and do nothing.

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quote:

Mass arrests part of NSW pill testing program proposal

Large-scale civil disobedience and mass arrests are being factored into a plan to rollout the first ever pill testing at NSW festivals before the end of the year, as the NSW Deputy Premier flagged organisers could be charged with drug supply and manslaughter.

The pilot program – the first of its kind to provide mobile laboratory-grade drug testing in Australia – will be carried out inside a van staffed with toxicologists, and shielded from police by barriers of supporters willing to risk arrest to protect others from prosecution, drug law reform advocates said.

Will Tregoning, the founder of drug law reform agency Unharm, said the civil disobedience model was necessary after the NSW government reaffirmed its staunch opposition to pill testing on Monday.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mass-arrests-part-of-nsw-pill-testing-program-proposal-20160229-gn6d4o.html

NSW Liberals: Definitely not a bunch of small minded moral wowsers.

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open24hours posted:

Do those disposable testing kits you can buy actually work? They could just hand those out.

I doubt a little kit could test for every dangerous impurity. That plan sounds like a great way to get sued.

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I don' t think it's stupid. It's an interesting experiment.

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Doctor Spaceman posted:

It goes beyond them just liking bitcoin; the blockchain is an inherent part of the proposal.

Blockchain has proven to be an excellent method for distributed authentication.

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Mr Chips posted:

Trading away or accumulating votes, what could possibly go wrong with that.

It will be, at most, one vote in the senate. I think it's reasonable to experiment on that scale. People have been speculating about voting alternatives for a long time and I think if you're interested in politics at all you should be able to see the value in this as an experiment.

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Doctor Spaceman posted:

What does that add to the political process though?

The whole thing is techno-utopianism. Take their first point





If you read the plan closely, they have an idea to recruit specialists to craft policy proposals. People vote on the policies proposed by the specialists.

And yeah, it's techno utopianism, but I still think it will make an interesting experiment. Look at other "wisdom of crowds" experiments, like prediction markets. It's worth it to satisfy intellectual curiosity, at the very least.

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Cleretic posted:

Sure, it's reasonable to experiment on a small scale, and it's not inherently a terrible idea (although its execution might be). But one actual vote is the worst place to do it, because at that scale it's impossible to show that representative democracy. It ultimately means that only the majority position is going to actually be put forward, making the whole thing meaningless.

I'm all for small-scale experiments, but this isn't going to work like that. It likely won't work at all.

I don't follow. Why is it impossible to show representative democracy if they have a system for citizens to register in the system?

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Seagull posted:

what if democracy... was an App

lol hahahahah, excellent smarmy dismissal. Reminds me of that time goons epicly owned the poo poo out of the idiots behind bitcoin by correctly predicting it's implosion within the first year.

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Cleretic posted:

Because it's all working towards defining a single vote in the senate, meaning that anything less than a majority will have absolutely no effect. It doesn't matter if a policy vote on Flux comes down to a 51-49 split, or a 97-3, it will come out exactly the same. Any flaws with the actual idea in a 'real' context are irrelevant, because it's fighting for total control over a single vote, which likely won't come into play. An ideal 'test' of the idea would instead be total control of a smaller system; a local council, a university student body, something like that.

I like the idea of having actual experts in the industry crafting their policies, but I don't think this is the right way to do that, either. You wouldn't want to bolt that onto an already experimental idea, you'd want something more reliable, a conventional party. Then there's the matter of finding the knowledgeable industry representatives, and I think you could quite easily do that by tapping into unions; being groups of common workers, they know better than anyone what their industry faces and how the government could aid them. Sort of a Labor Union Party...

I could never see that working though, that'd be absurd.

These are all perfectly valid critiques, but I don't see them as fatal. Depending on the results if flux ever manage to get a single senator, I can see them resolving these problems. You could come up with rules on how much of a majority is needed for certain types of legislation, for example.

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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

So is it editorial policy at every Australian newspaper that journalists have to mention twitter drama at least once somewhere in a story?

Journalists are all twitter addicts. They all follow each other and it's a huge, nauseating circle jerk.

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Lol housing tax. gently caress off.

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Is the anarchist's cookbook still banned here?

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Solemn Sloth posted:

Secretary of the department of Australia for Australians

Recent comparisons of immigration detention centres to ‘gulags’; suggestions that detention involves a “public numbing and indifference” similar to that allegedly experienced in Nazi Germany; and persistent suggestions that detention facilities are places of ‘torture’ are highly offensive, unwarranted and plainly wrong – and yet they continue to be made in some quarters.

Goddamn.

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He announced his support for marriage equality a long time ago.

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Can someone explain precisely what's going on with the greens and the voting reform thing in the senate? At the moment there are a bunch of terrible stories going around about it which don't really explain the machinations behind it

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The Narrator posted:

Just going to copy some stuff from yesterday first:



Senate voting reform includes optional preferential voting, so you'd only have to fill out 6 boxes to vote below the line (after which your vote would just exhaust and it would be considered that you didn't want it going to anyone else). Arguments for are that it makes BTL voting easier and avoids messy/lovely preference flows (I imagine why the greens are supporting it). Also been argued that it will hinder minor party/independents representation (I imagine also why LNP are supporting it). Senators like Ricky Muir and Glenn Lazarus are obviously against it for that reason. ALP are siding with the crossbenchers to fight the LNP and Greens on it. Passing the bill also wipes away a double dissolution trigger.

Greens and LNP want to pass it and get it out of the way. ALP and independents/microparties brought forward a motion to debate the green's SSM proposal to stall voting/passing it. So the greens voted against debating their own proposal.

Thanks. It looks like the media are lazily playing along with labor and the cross benchers, since almost all of the headlines I've seen on this are along the lines of "GREENS VOTE AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE" without any explanation of the wider context.

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