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Kassad posted:A socialist MP in France proposed a similar bill, with a 1 million euro fine for refusing to comply. Not to be outdone, a right-wing MP proposed an amendment setting the fine at 2 million euros and adding a one-year ban on the phone model in question (A ban on iPhones, essentially). The right-wingers are also saying that refusing to assist investigations by decrypting phones is tantamount to being an accomplice in acts of terrorism. I'm sure that Apple is quaking in their boots at the prospect of a fine that amounts to less than a rounding error in their yearly revenue.
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Serotonin posted:https://twitter.com/liamfoxmp/status/705674061016387584 Being proud of murdering millions of civilians is one way of tackling the issue, I suppose.
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Rakosi posted:Here's the kicker, dickwad, everything you just said you don't actually believe yourself. You're full of unrealistic moralistic bullshit. If you actually thought people who use their smartphones are actually responsible for the deaths of thousands of Filipino children who worked in mines, then why are you not leading a campaign to get us all actually prosecuted in actual courts? Because we aren't, I know it, you know it, but it's a easy political highroad to take. It's good to know that moral responsibility is contingent on the ability to prosecute a specific individual in court. Lets the powerful get away with so much more than the weak, just like the good Lord intended.
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I am not morally culpable because I, personally, do not crack the whip in the Bangladeshi slave factory that produces the clothes I wear - a Liberal
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Rakosi posted:You keep saying that on one hand no individual can or should be prosecuted for this, that it is a collective responsibility and not an individual responsibility. And, in contradiction, you said that I, me, personally, am individually and morally responsible for the deaths of thousands of Filipino children. It's OK to be upset that children die in the Filipino mines so that I can shitpost on the internet, but not if it inconveniences me in any way - a Liberal
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"All life is suffering", Liberal Buddha said "But don't you fuckers try to blame any of it on me".
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Rakosi posted:This is a fantastic point and more relevant and more worthy of notice than historical wrongs because those historical wrongs cannot be set right moralistically (and this one can, economically inclusive) because everyone involved is already dead. If you just want money, at least come out and say that. What you said was to try elicit from me a personal guilt for thousands of dead Filipinos because I have a smartphone, and you are bullshitting if you deny you said said this now. My late father may have robbed and killed a man, stolen his house and land and condemned his family into poverty, but I don't see why that family would have any right to ask anything from me just because I inherited it all. After all, everyone involved is dead - a Liberal EDIT: But realtalk here, I really like how the thing most worthy of notice here isn't the Filipino child slave mines or the British Empire's history of murder and pillage, it's that you might have had to feel a bit bad for a moment. I'm pretty sure that this too is a form of Liberalism. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Mar 4, 2016 |
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JFairfax posted:The Philippines was to do with the American Empire though? It's not like imperialist exploitation ended when the former colonies became independent. Rakosi posted:You still have a need to retract your point because you specifically partitioned blame to me for being responsible for the deaths of thousands of Filipino children. If you feel embarrassed and are now skirting the issue, that's okay, you should be. You hosed up logically, morally and rhetorically. I am smug as gently caress about it because I get a lot of heat in this thread for views which aren't that contentious when you examine them, but incessantly get dragged off topic, where I am bad at arguing in.. Have you ever stopped and reflected on why it is that when you're confronted with horrible moral atrocities that were and still are perpetrated and that you benefit from, your first instinct is to start yelling about how this definitely isn't your fault in the slightest?
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Are you really so dumb or so far up Thatcher's rotting arse that you don't understand what you being part of a collective means?
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Cerebral Bore posted:My late father may have robbed and killed a man, stolen his house and land and condemned his family into poverty, but I don't see why that family would have any right to ask anything from me just because I inherited it all. After all, everyone involved is dead - a Liberal dispatch_async posted:
Isn't this just the usual Graun piece where they're angry at everything Corbyn does or does not do, though? Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Mar 4, 2016 |
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Phoon posted:e2: it seems clear to me that collective responsibility is implied by the original post - unless you think Spangly only thinks one smartphone exists and you have it Or that Spangly thinks that Rakosi and only Rakosi is responsible for dead kids in mines. Fortunately most of us have functioning mental faculties and understand that this reading doesn't make any loving sense in context. Rakosi posted:This was my original loving point if anyone cares to read back to before I got jumped on and personally blamed with killing children. Actually your original point was this: Rakosi posted:It's still stupid, because the line at which you draw the difference between historical responsibility and "okay, now you're just being silly" is completely arbitrary, and dictated by the person who is trying to make a point. For example, the British Empire is, I think now, far enough behind us in history that no one can expect current Britain to be releasing monies or much more than very general apologies for the fact. Unless, of course, your country was once a colonial victim, and then the holy grail of perpetual victimhood is a useful political tool to harass or partition blame to living people who never harmed you (or the original victims, your ancestors, in the first instance). It seems pretty strange that you would now claim that our original point was equivalent to the statement "it doesn't really matter who made it this way, it's doing something about it", when your first contribution to the coversation can be summarized as "we don't have to do jack poo poo, you third-worlders and your perpetual victimhood can suck it". But maybe it's just me who cares, after all The Most Important Thing is that you don't have to feel bad, isn't it?
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Guavanaut posted:How do they get the jobs then? Nepotism? Occult ritual? Connections and/or dumb luck. Much like in most other industries.
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jabby posted:So the coverage of Corbyn from today seems to be general disbelief that he didn't mention IDS at all. Do we think there's a good reason for that, because it seems like a pretty terrible move. Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.
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Is there even any indications that said list is genuine as opposed to a complete fabrication? It's not like some dipshit Blairite making up some bullshit list and "leaking" it is an inconcievable scenario.
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forkboy84 posted:It should be a non-story. It's an irrelevancy. But it's clearly not a non-story as much as I wish it would be, because, y'know, the fact it's a story makes it a story, relevant or not. Yes, the media is garbage but that hardly changes the influence they have. How is he supposed to "run a tight ship" when it comes to a list that may very well be fabricated by a third party? Like, you're not making any sense here.
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It's nice that Tony wants to clean up the mess he helped create. If only he'd realize that throwing another bucket of poo poo all over the place doesn't count as cleaning as well.
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Guavanaut posted:What's his angle? Assuming that he doesn't really care that much about the NHS and isn't campaigning out of the goodness of his heart, what's his gain here? It's possible that he's angling to be the last viable candidate remaining. Boris' prospects would probably be diminished if Remain wins, and Gideon has somehow managed to end up as even less popular than Jeremy motherfucking Hunt. MrL_JaKiri posted:He's campaigning for his side of the referendum, what's confusing Maybe it's because he's a real dumb motherfucker?
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I don't think he's dumb, I think he knows exactly what he's doing wrt the NHS. I don't think it takes a clever man to deliberately gently caress over an institution. EDIT: In 122 AD Emperor Hadrian orders a wall to be built to keep the foreign scroungers out. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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Ultragonk posted:This popped up on my facebook feed Wouldn't the historical precedent suggest that she'd send SAS dudes to train ISIS fighters because they're fighting against Al-Qaeda?
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Give England back to the Welsh.
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Unkempt posted:I wonder what the main cost of an F-35 actually is. Probably management consultants or something. It's lining the pockets of Lockheed Martin.
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OwlFancier posted:What was wrong with the harriers? They're perfectly good at bombing deserts. IIRC the Harriers somehow manage to be even worse deathtraps than the F-35.
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OwlFancier posted:I think they had a slight habit of breaking on landing but not actually being lethal to the operators, just prone to loving up the undercarriage because the front gear had a habit of sticking. Yeah. It might just be the yanks doing it wrong, but they've managed to lose almost 50 pilots in Harrier-related accidents. Turns out that this whole VTOL concept is kinda dumb.
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