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Statistically, it's extremely unlikely that a woman is lying when she makes a rape accusation. We need to take a serious look at how burden of proof is assessed in these court cases. People talk about how the 2nd Amendment can allow individuals to cost society at large, and likewise the right to plead the 5th can potentially be entirely antisocial, exists solely for the benefit of the individual, and if you look at the rest of the world, not a very common "right." There can be exceptions to every right, there can be one here. A privileged rapist doesn't have a right to be silent about his history in court or his likely future plans to continue victimizing a historically oppressed demographic.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Helsing posted:Are you suggesting that we should lower the burden of proof for all criminal cases or that there should specifically be a lower standard for proving sexual assault? Cause I don't really like the idea of setting a precedent that the government can now legislate itself to a lower burden of proof on certain categories of crime, and justifying it by saying that at the statistical level false rape reports are false doesn't really change the fact that the system was designed so that its much easier for a guilty person to go free than for an innocent person to be convicted. I'm not talking about making it guilty til proven innocent across the board. We make common sense regulations and exceptions for other rights in unusual high-risk situations, why not here? Has innocent til proven guilty for specific charges of rape (idk about less extreme types of sexual assault) done anything for actual rape victims, not some hypothetical one in a thousand defendant?
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Helsing posted:Jesus Christ you're suggesting we drop both the right to silence and the presumption of innocence? DeusExMachinima posted:Has innocent til proven guilty for specific charges of rape (idk about less extreme types of sexual assault) done anything for actual rape victims, not some hypothetical one in a thousand defendant? Stop pretending to be shocked in place of making an actual argument. Show your work, show me the results. How many more years of innocent until proven guilty for rape charges will we need until rapists are rarely able to re-offend? How many rapes is your way going to directly prevent?
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Mar 3, 2016 21:35
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Thermos H Christ posted:No, what you are saying is outrageous enough that shock and incredulity seem like a totally appropriate response. You want to strip every last American citizen of fundamental rights rather than accepting the reality that many crimes go unpunished. You want us to live in a society where citizens can be totally stripped of liberty for the failure to prove a negative. It truly is an appalling proposition. quote:You want to strip every last American citizen of fundamental rights rather than accepting the reality that many crimes go unpunished. You hear one exception for something that will cause mistakes more rarely than your vaunted system of jury convictions does (check rates of convictions being overturned vs. false rape charges and get back to me). Your response is to jump to RIGHTS IN COURT GONE FOREVER JUST GONE. When people discuss ways to regulate gun violence do you immediately ask when Obama's taking all the guns?
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