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Cicero posted:The point is that even with modern technology available, socialists can still find plenty of ways to screw up central planning, so no, it's not a simple matter of "socialists screwed it up before because they didn't have modern tech, if we did it now obviously things would work!" And we're not talking your run-of-the-mill recession where you lose some jobs and things are tight for a while, we're talking about it becoming difficult to find basic food staples and medicine across the country. You can read the Venezuela thread if you don't believe me. Venezuela didn't attempt to create a centrallly planned socialist economy using high technologic gear. It just turned full on populist, the state ordered lootings on its own properties to save popular face and tried to pretend there were no economic problems outside of foreign intervention and conspiracy (real and imagined, a lot of the latter). I mean, it's kinda dumb to look at Maduro's time in power and the first argument isn't "having a populist madman who has no idea what he is doing in power without an organized working class to stop him is a bad idea" but instead "see, Venezuela is a prime example of the results of what a highly technological country with a centrally planned economy is!".
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it's the same logic that drives people to claim that Brazil is turning more and more socialist because ECONOMY BAD AND STATE EXISTS
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fspades posted:Why? Why is this better than a centrally planned economy? Both situations are pipe dreams at the moment and as valid as the other. Would it be easier to develop a centrally planned highly technological state or a workers owned descentralized model where the central state is more of a regulator of the regional self-suficient structures than the planner itself? The only reasonable areas where you could attempt this would be in the U.S. (lmao) western Europe (where you'd be choked to death by the rest of the Eurozone) or in Eastern Europe (r.i.p.) so you might as well theorycraft about all possibilities because between the status quo and post-scarcity high technology socialism there will be a shitload of trouble and near impossibilities.
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