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rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe
Yeah, these games are seriously loving boss and I loved them. I can't say anything because I remember most of the cases too well, but dang, Phoenix Wright is a rad series.

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yamiaainferno
Jun 30, 2013

My experience with these games is spotty-- I played the first one, some of the second, and Apollo Justice. So, eventually I will be able to puzzle out mysteries. These games are good poo poo, though a bit too whacky for me to completely get into. AJ's always been my favorite though.

IAmTheRad
Dec 11, 2009

Goddammit this Cello is way out of tune!
I have played every Ace Attorney game on the DS. That includes Ace Attorney Investigations 2 (there's a fan translation for it, feels VERY authentic to what Capcom might have done).

I won't be speculating, as I know HOW a case is done, but seeing people's theories on cases is great. :allears:

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Case 2- Turnabout Sisters
Investigation - Part 1

Let's cut to the chase and start off our new episode.

Video Intro

This is our first case with an Investigation phase, and our first real case, which will introduce a whole lot of characters that will remain constants for some time.











: Mia! What's up? You haven't called in a while.
: Sorry, I've been so busy. How you been?
: Well, LONELY. And it's all YOUR fault. Nah, I'm just teasing. I've been great! I'm finally getting used to having my own place.
: That's good to hear. Actually, I'm calling because I have a favor to ask.
: I know, I know. You want me to hold evidence for you?
: Sharp as always! There's a lot of buzz about the upcoming trial... I just don't feel safe keeping the evidence here.
: I gotcha. So, what is it this time?
: It's... a clock.
: A clock?
: Yeah, it's made to look like that statue, "The Thinker." And it tells you the time! I thought you might like it. You always liked toys.
: Hey! I'm not a little girl anymore, Sis!
: Now, now. You know I'm only teasing. Ah, I should probably tell you, the clock isn't talking right now.
: Huh? It's not working? That's lame!
: I had to take the clockwork out. Sorry. I put some papers inside it instead.
: Papers? Is that the evidence, then? Hmm, well... there's a possibility that it might turn out that way, yes.

I'm not sure if that last sentence was meant to be Mia's line or not.

: Can you come by the office tonight, say 9:00, to pick it up? I'll be in a pretrial meeting until then.
: Okay, Sis, but I expect dinner! Something good! Like... burgers! I could really go for a good burger.
: Okay, okay. We'll hit the usual joint.
: Alright! It's a deal! Okay, Sis, see you soon!
: Yep. I'll be waiting, Maya.





Music cuts out here, as a note.





: I'm sorry, but I can't give you what I don't have.
: Miss Fey, you are a poor liar. Why, I see it right over there... That must be "The Thinker" that swallowed those papers.
: How could you know...?
: Ho hoh. You are not cogniferous of my background? Gathering information is my business, you see.
: I... I should have been more careful.
: Ho hoh. My dear Miss Fey... I am so very sorry. But I am afraid I must ask you for one more thing.





: !!!













: Huh, that's strange. The chief must have gone home already. She said her sister was coming over so we should all go out for dinner...



: What's that smell...? Blood...? Mia! (Maybe she's in her office!)





We can look at the area, but there's nothing to see, so we just move on.



: ... *sob* Sis...
: (Someone's there!)



: ...! Chief? Chief...?







At which point, the girl collapses. (By fading away and the screen shaking.)



: (I went back to the chief where she lay under the window.)



: (I could feel it when I held her shoulder. Then, all too quickly, it began to fade... Until finally she was cold.)







We begin our first real investigation. Examine lets us look at things in the room, while Move lets us move to new locations, as we did to get into the office.



We can select areas with the stylus or d-pad using this cursor.

: There's a large building right across from the office. The "Gatewater Hotel." A nice, luxurious place.





: They seem to be the remains of a glass light stand.



: The chief's chair. A simple, functional design. Feels pretty good to sit in, too.

We move over to the second half of the room.



: Surprisingly, the chief was never good with machines. About all she used this PC for was e-mail. She picked up this ancient model at some garage sale for practically nothing.



: The Fey & Co. ledger book. Everything is written in the chief's ultra-neat handwriting. It's a small office, but it makes a good bit of money.



: All the chief's important documents are packed in here. This is where she filed her case records and recent rulings.



: Right! I'd better call the police! ...? That's funny... A few of the screws on the receiver are missing... It looks like someone was halfway through taking it apart.



: Please, come quick!
: (Wh-what was that!?)





: She's staring right at me! She's holding a phone in her hand...

Well, I'm sure that's nothing to be worried about. Back to poking at things!



: A perfectly normal office desk. The chief had a very particular policy about office decor: "Spend big on stuff the clients use, but keep your own stuff simple."



The boxes to interact with stuff can be quite large. Mia's foot counts as Mia.

: Chief... It's hard seeing her like this, but if there are any clues here... She was struck on the head with a blunt object. She probably died instantly.



: Hmm... there are some glass shards near the chief's body.



: Nothing else that seems like a clue here...



: A piece of paper! It must have fallen from Mia's hand! What could it be?

Some stuff was added to the Court Record, but let's keep looking around first.





: How ironic that this became the murder weapon... again.









Anyway, back to the room.



: !



: "Maya"...? Did Mia write this? This piece of paper is a receipt from a department store, dated yesterday. (I think that's enough snooping around for now. I'd better call the police...)







: The phone receiver is missing a few screws. I'd better not use it.



Instead, let's go to the other room.



: (That girl just now... where'd she go!? I put her right there on that sofa...! Uh oh... I hope she didn't run on me.)



: (Don't scare me like that...) Umm... Excuse me but, who are you?



: It's okay. I work here.



: Maya Fey.
: Maya... Fey? ("Maya"...?)



: (Maybe I should show her the receipt? I never thought there'd be a use for evidence like this outside the courtroom!)



Now we get two new options - Talk, to ask Maya questions, and Present, to show her things. But first, we're going to look around, because Phoenix is easily distracted.



: This sofa is for clients. It's leather... a real luxury model.



: A large painting. I guess you'd call this "modern art." I, on the other hand, call it a mistake.



: The door to the chief's office. It's slightly open. I'd better not touch the door knob.



: You couldn't cram more legal books in here, even if you wanted to. Few can gaze upon the shelves without feeling insignificant.



: The reception desk. I usually sit here.



: A small writing desk cluttered with office supplies.



So now, let's talk to Maya. The way we do this is to pick topics off the available list. We can get more by asking certain questions or by showing people certain evidence.



: (She seems to be in shock. I don't want to disturb her, but I have to know...) Um... excuse me? Can you tell me what happened?
: ... I came in... The room was dark. And Sis... Sis...!
: (So she was already dead.)



: So, you're the chief's...?
: Sister. I'm her younger sister.
: And you were here... visiting? This late at night?
: Yes. She said she wanted me to keep some evidence for her.
: Evidence...?
: Yes... I-it was that clock...
: It was "The Thinker."

So, let's start showing her stuff.



: I'm sorry, I've never seen that before.









: That was... Oh, Sis! *sob*
: (Hmm, probably shouldn't have asked her about the murder weapon...)





: I know. I saw it there too. I thought they might be pieces of the light stand.
: Hmm. Maybe. (Never heard of a glass light stand before...)





: She wrote it on the back of this receipt.





: W-why!? Why would she write my name?
: Please, just calm down.
: W-why would Sis write my name?
: (Uh-oh. Now I've done it...)



: ! The police! (Sounds like they're coming this way!)



: (Gumshoe...? What an odd name.)
: We received a report from the building across the way, see. Got a person saying they saw a murder.





: (Great. Just great.)







: Eek!



: ...!





: The victim drew this here note in her own blood, see?
: With her dying breath, she wrote down the killer's name!



: W-what?



Next time: Welp.

Connecticut General Statutes, Sections 26-88 posted:

Use of Explosives. No person shall take or attempt to take any gray squirrel, rabbit or other fur-bearing animal protected by law by the use of gunpowder, dynamite or other explosive compound, or by fire, smoke, brimstone, sulphur, gas or chemical, or by digging from any hole or den, provided nothing herein shall be construed to prevent the shooting of any gray squirrel or rabbit or fur-bearing animal. Any person who violates any provision of this section shall be guilty of a class C misdemeanor.

Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Mar 28, 2016

MollyMetroid
Jan 20, 2004

Trout Clan Daimyo
Gumshoe is the best character, pal. The best, see?

whitehelm
Apr 20, 2008

Mors Rattus posted:

: Papers? Is that the evidence, then? Hmm, well... there's a possibility that it might turn out that way, yes.

I'm not sure if that last sentence was meant to be Mia's line or not.

Yes, the second half of that is Mia's line.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Well, it was supposed to be, anyway.

Zakrelo
Dec 19, 2015
Is there more than one english translation? I've watched some longplays of the series, but a couple of the lines seem different here, like a joke about -joke removed because it actually is in this translation-

Zakrelo fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Mar 19, 2016

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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That line comes later. I recall it clearly but it shows up at a later point.

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




This case... Is probably my least favorite of the first game's. Sure, it starts broadening your world by giving you more to do than going to court and introduces the main cast of characters, but it just holds your hand a bit too much at all the wrong places (like showing us the murderer at the start again).

Nidoking
Jan 27, 2009

I fought the lava, and the lava won.
What I've heard is that this case was originally written to be the tutorial, but a new case was added later to be more of a prologue and to give Mia's death some meaning to the player. The rewriting clearly left more tutorial elements than were really needed after that.

someone awful.
Sep 7, 2007


What exactly is a "light stand", anyway? Do they mean a lamp? :psyduck:

whitehelm
Apr 20, 2008

Mors Rattus posted:

Well, it was supposed to be, anyway.

OH, I didn't realize that was a mistake in the game (didn't watch the video) so I thought it was something you were confused about.

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

Zero Suit Ridley posted:

Gumshoe is the best character, pal. The best, see?

Not emptyquoting, pal.

For the record, we have a police detective called Dick Gumshoe. I love the localization, even when they go full Japanifornia. gently caress, especially when they go full Japanifornia.

Small example: Maya didn't ask for burgers, I believe she asked for Ramen.

hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



We've already met 3 out of the 4 best characters in the game, possibly even the series.

Thankfully, they're all main characters.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

hopeandjoy posted:

We've already met 3 out of the 4 best characters in the game, possibly even the series.

Thankfully, they're all main characters.
And we're gonna meet the other one in the next couple updates

Glad someone else is taking a swing at this. The downside (upside) being that every time someone LPs Phoenix Wright, it compels me to re-play the entire series. I've played the original trilogy 6 times now probably.

VibrantPareidolia
Oct 12, 2012

Someone Awful! posted:

What exactly is a "light stand", anyway? Do they mean a lamp? :psyduck:

It's a standing lamp.

someone awful.
Sep 7, 2007


VibrantPareidolia posted:

It's a standing lamp.

That's what I thought, I've just literally never heard it referred to as a "light stand" before. For some reason it never struck me as weird until this LP...

Tax Refund
Apr 15, 2011

The IRS gave me a refund. I spent it on this SA account. What was I thinking?!

Connecticut General Statutes, Sections 26-88 posted:

Use of Explosives. No person shall take or attempt to take any gray squirrel, rabbit or other fur-bearing animal protected by law by the use of gunpowder, dynamite or other explosive compound, or by fire, smoke, brimstone, sulphur, gas or chemical, or by digging from any hole or den, provided nothing herein shall be construed to prevent the shooting of any gray squirrel or rabbit or fur-bearing animal. Any person who violates any provision of this section shall be guilty of a class C misdemeanor.

Your honor, we find the defendants, Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam... GUILTY as charged.

Aerdan
Apr 14, 2012

Not Dennis NEDry

Someone Awful! posted:

That's what I thought, I've just literally never heard it referred to as a "light stand" before. For some reason it never struck me as weird until this LP...

It's a term more common to acting and photography; not sure why localization felt the need to use jargon there.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
At first I thought they were going to pin this on Phoenix, but I hadn't counted on this... uniquely functioning police force.

Tax Refund
Apr 15, 2011

The IRS gave me a refund. I spent it on this SA account. What was I thinking?!

Mors Rattus posted:



: "Maya"...? Did Mia write this? This piece of paper is a receipt from a department store, dated yesterday. (I think that's enough snooping around for now. I'd better call the police...)

Cleary, Mia was a good Buddhist -- with her dying message, she was reminding Phoenix that everything is an illusion, and lunchtime shopping doubly so.

theshim
May 1, 2012

You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!
gently caress that law. Squirrels should absolutely be subject to frequent and extreme use of explosives :argh:

PizzaProwler
Nov 4, 2009

Or you can see me at The Riviera. Tuesday nights.
Pillowfights with Dominican mothers.
I'm really looking forward to seeing this LP. My friend had this game back when it first released in the US, and I only ever played the first tutorial case, but the story-telling style is a lot of fun to experience.

Man, I'm super bummed out that Mia dies the very next chapter here. She seemed really bad-rear end.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Case 2- Turnabout Sisters
Investigation - Part 2

When we left off...



: I was taken in for questioning and didn't get out until the next morning. My eyes were heavy... but I couldn't sleep. I sat around, waiting for visiting hours to begin at the detention center. I had to talk to Maya as soon as possible.



: (Wow, they have poor Maya locked up like a criminal.)





: It's you! The lawyer...



: Good morning! (She looks so tired...)
: Um... Are you going to be my attorney?





: (Maybe if I joke a bit she'll cheer up...) Hah hah! No way, Jose! Just kidding...
: ... ...
: ...
: (Eh heh. Whoops. That didn't go so well.)
: ...Heh...
: Huh? M-Maya...? Was that a... chuckle?
: What? N-no! ...
: It wasn't very believable, was it?
: (Not really...)







: (Who's trying to cheer up who here!?)
: ... I knew it. No one will believe me.
: What?



: (First things first, I better get her cheered up...) Yeah, of course I will! Cheer up!
: R-really...?
: (Whoa! Did I say the wrong thing? She looks sadder now!) Um... what... what's wrong? You don't think I can do it?
: ... No... no one could! Who would believe me?



: (I'd better give it to her straight...) It's up to you.
: Up... to me?
: Yes. I don't think this is something I should decide. After all, you're the one in trouble here.
: ... They're never going to believe me... are they?

And we converge.

: Even you--when you found me in the office. You looked at me like I had done it!



: No, no! I never thought...
: I-it's okay. I understand.
: ...



: Heard? Heard what about me?
: I... was talking to my sister on the phone the other day...



: Wow! Really? How'd that go?
: "It was quite the scene! Honestly, I was on edge the whole time. It's been a while..."
: Hah! So, he crashed and burned?
: "...He's a genius. One of those 'strike fear into the hearts of evil' types..."
: "The only thing he's lacking is... experience."
: Huh, sounds like it was fun! Well, I know who to go to if I ever get into trouble now!
: "I don't know, Maya. I think you might want to wait... give him three more years."
: "That is, unless you want to be found guilty."



: ...
: I-I'm sorry!
: I didn't mean to trouble you...
: No, it's okay. It's true, I guess. But... at the same time, I can't just sit and watch! When I think of the person who did this to Mia...
: ...
: I know...

Now we can ask Maya some questions.



: There's something I've been wanting to ask you...
: Yes?
: What's with that outfit?
: Oh, this? This is what all acolytes wear. It's my uniform, you could say.
: A-acolytes? Like people in religious training? What is it you do?
: Oh! It's noting strange, really!
: I'm a spirit medium. ...In training.
: A s-spirit medium!? (I'm pretty sure that qualifies as strange.)



: Could you tell me about the day of the murder?
: Yes!



: She wanted me to hold onto a piece of evidence for an upcoming trial.
: Evidence?
: Yes. That clock shaped like "The Thinker."
: (The one Larry made...) How could that have been evidence in a case?
: Um, right, she said something about that...



: Do you want to hear it in her own voice?
: H-her own voice!?
: Yes. I'm pretty sure our conversation is on my cell phone.
: You recorded it!
: Yeah! I forgot how to delete those things.



: So, you say you have a conversation with your sister on your cell phone? Let's hear it!
: Right!
: Oh!
: I just remembered: that detective took my cell phone. Sorry.
: Oh, right. (Of course...) Next time I see Detective Gumshoe I'll ask him for it.
: I'll write you a note so you don't forget, okay?
: Sure, thanks.





Yes, again. It has new info now!

: Could you tell me about the day of the murder? Sorry... I know it must be hard.
: No, it's okay. All I've been doing the last few hours is talking about it. I've kind of gotten used to it...
: Let's see... that morning, I got a call from my sister. She wanted me to hold on to a piece of evidence for an upcoming trial.
: (That's "The Thinker" clock that Larry made. It practically qualifies as a serial murderer by now.) So then, when did you arrive at the office?
: It was right around 9:00.





: Thanks, Maya. That's all I need to hear for now.

And this is when I remember we got some new profiles!





Back to the investigation.



: So you're an acolyte. A, er, medium-in-training.
: That's right. The Fey family, especially the women, have always been very sensitive to the spirit world.
: Wait a second, you said the "Fey Family"? So, Mia was into this stuff too?
: Of course! She left the mountain to "follow her career," she said.
: Her powers were first-class, too!
: (I... I had no idea.) Hmm... Wait...!
: What?
: So, you're a real, honest-to-goodness spirit medium? With E.S.P. and all that?
: Yes. ...In training.
: Well, can't you contact Mia's spirit, then? We can just ask her who killed her!
: ...!
: I-I'm sorry...
: I'm still in training. I couldn't do something on that level...
: (Hmm... I thought that would be too easy.)
: ...
: Um...!
: Huh? Something the matter?
: Um... I was wondering, could I ask you a favor?
: ...?



: My sister gave me this a long time ago.
: She said if I was ever in trouble, I should call him.
: And, well, I'm in trouble.
: Do you think you could go ask him to represent me?





: Sure, why not? I'll go ask.
: Thank you so much!
: I have no one else to turn to...



: I'm sorry... I think this is the kind of thing you should really do yourself.
: ...You're right. ...
: Something wrong?
: Actually, I asked the police to contact him, and they tried calling a few times.
: Nobody could get a hold of him!
: They couldn't find him?
: I have no one left to ask!

And we converge.

: ...? Say, what about your parents...?
: ... ... ...
: O-okay! Don't worry, I'll go ask him for you.
: Y-you will? Thank you so much!
: I'm just worried what will happen if I can't find him.
: They told me that if I don't find one, the state will pick an attorney to defend me.
: When will that happen?
: They're giving me until 4:00 this afternoon.
: (And visiting hours are almost up... I'd better hurry!) Right, I'll be back!

But first, let's look around.



: Smile for the camera...



: This guard monitors the visitor's room. He hasn't moved an inch. A real pro, this guy.

So, off to the scene of the crime.





: (The office is filled with police officers. They're all busily searching clues...)





: Umm... Sorry, don't I know you from somewhere?
: Wait, you're that Butz guy, aren't you!
: No, no, Phoenix Wright. (How could anyone mistake me for Larry!?)



: That Butz guy, he was a killer! And you're no killer! Right?
: (He WAS proven innocent...)





: Um... Suedeshoes, wasn't it?





: My name's Dick Gumshoe... W-wait!
: That's Detective Gumshoe to you, pal!



: Um... Gumtree, was it? Detective Gumtree?
: G-Gumtree...?



: And I'm the one in charge here so don't push your luck!
: (Whatever you say, Detective...)



: Um... Gumshoe, wasn't it? Dick Gumshoe?
: Right! At your service.
: Hang on! That's Detective Gumshoe to you, pal!

And we meet back up here.

: Anyway, get the name right. And don't go calling me "Dick"...







: Umm... ahem!
: You're her lawyer, right, pal? If you got business here, you'd better do it quick!
: (Whew! He thinks I'm Maya's lawyer...!)



Let's take a look around.



: The sky is blue, and so am I... There's that hotel, right across the way.



: Mia's favorite potted plant. I remember it had this bizarre name no one could ever remember.
: "Codyline stricta," pal!
: (Who was that!?)



: An old movie poster. Apparently, this was the first movie that made Mia cry when she saw it. I'll have to check it out one of these days.



: Mia's desk. Perfectly clean, as always. The only thing it's missing is... Mia.



: There's a horrendous amount of legal books here. Scarier still is that Mia probably read all of these.

Now, we chat with Gumshoe.



: About Ms. Fey... did you do an autopsy?
: Hmm? You want to know the results, eh?
: ...



: It's no use! She might have been your boss, but that doesn't mean you get any special treatment.
: Alright, alright. You can see the report, but that's all!





: Um, about Maya...
: Yeah! I'm looking forward to the trial!
: Sorry, pal, but this is one trial you aren't going to win!
: W-why do you say that?



: (Edgeworth...)
: I'm sure you know what that means, you being a lawyer and all.



: Prosecutor Edgeworth...
: That's right, pal! Mr. Miles Edgeworth himself!





: I know him. He's a feared prosecutor. He doesn't feel pain, he doesn't feel remorse. He won't stop until he gets his "guilty" verdict.
: Aww, don't talk about him that way. You make him barely sound human!
: Still, I'm afraid this pretty much decides the case.
: (So, Edgeworth is on this one... He hasn't lost a case since he became prosecutor at the incredibly young age of 20.)



: Never heard of him.
: Whoa! And you call yourself a lawyer, pal!? About four years ago, this Edgeworth guy became a prosecutor at the age of 20! Everyone says he's a genius. Surprised you don't know him!
: (Of course I know him... I was just playing dumb. He's a cold, heartless machine who'll do anything to get a "guilty" verdict!)

And convergence.

: (There are rumors of back-alley deals and forged evidence... All I know for sure is that Edgeworth hates crime with an almost abnormal passion. I never imagined I'd be facing him so soon...)



Time to present some evidence. First, the badge.

: Hmm? What's that?
: Sorry, pal, but I got no info for the likes of you!

Then, the statue.



: That statue? That's the murder weapon.
: (Huh? He thinks the clock is just a statue, too... I'm starting to wish I'd never seen this thing.)

The glass...



: Hmm? Oh, that?



: The glass shards were pieces of the broken stand.

The note...



: Yeah. The one with the killer's name written on it!
: Are you sure that Mia wrote it herself?
: Given the condition of the writing, it's hard to say if it's her handwriting or not.
: (So there's no proof that Mia wrote it.)

The autopsy report...



: Don't mention it, pal. When it comes to dealing with lawyers, "fight fair and square," is our motto!
: (I don't know how I feel, seeing everything written up like this... It makes Mia's death seem so... routine.)

And, at last, Maya's note.

: I was wondering... did you see Maya Fey's cell phone?



: Do you think you could give it back?
: Sure! I mean, wait a second, pal! Tricky lawyer!





: (Hmm... if I tell him why I want it there's no way he'll give it to me!)
: Something the matter?
: Oh, no, it's just... You know, Detective!
: Nope. I know nothing, pal!
: That cell phone has a lot of numbers on it... like her boyfriend's... A cell phone holds all a little girl's sweetest and spiciest secrets!
: Urk? Y-you're trying to confuse me! Sorry, pal, I already checked all the numbers in memory!
: Impressive! You're quite the detective.
: Uh huh. Oh, here, you can have the phone back. There weren't any suspicious call records in there, after all.



: (Okay, I can't be straight with this guy... but what should I tell him?)
: Something the matter?
: Oh, no, um... T-that carrying strap on the cell phone...
: This? Hmm... it says "The Steel Samurai: Warrior of Neo Olde Tokyo"...
: "The Steel Samurai"... that action hero on TV?
: Yeah, you see that strap is a collector's item... She... was worried it might get lost if it went down to the precinct.
: That what she said?
: Um. Yes.
: ...
: Okay, pal. I wrote down all the numbers she called anyway. Here you go.

Convergence.

: (Seems he didn't notice the recorded conversation... I guess I've asked all the questions I need to.)
: You all done, pal?
: Um, yes, thank you. I'll be heading out now.
: Oh, wait. One more thing I wanted to mention to you. I don't suppose you're planning on talking to that witness. Anyway, you'd better not!
: No influencing the witness with your lawyerly ways, pal!
: ...



: The... witness?
: Yeah, Miss April May.
: I'm sorry 'bout this... But I can't tell you anything about her!
: (Well, you just told me her name. Miss May, huh?) So you've sent her home already, then?
: Ahah! You're trying your lawyerly tricks on me now! She's not to go outside her room until the trial!
: (So... she's still in the hotel across the way.) I guess I should know better than to try to get a detective to leak information.
: You got that right, pal!
: (Time to pay a visit to Miss May!)









Next time: Miss April May

Connecticut General Statutes, Subsections 27-101 and 27-102 posted:

"Private military force" [...] includes any group of five or more persons organized or associated together in a camp, group, organization, company, association or society, or in any other manner, for the purpose of drilling or maneuvering with firearms or other dangerous weapons, or with imitations, copies or replicas thereof, or for the purpose of giving or acquiring military training or experience; but said term "private military force" shall not include any military or police units of the United States or of any state or territory, or of any political subdivision of any state or territory, [...] or any society or fraternal organization which features a uniform or costume with side-arms or replicas thereof for display purposes only, or The Boy Scouts of America, The Catholic Boys Brigade of the United States, Inc., or troops of a foreign government whose admission to the United States has been consented to by the federal or state government, or any person acting or appearing in any theater, motion picture or television production while actually engaged in representing therein military or naval characters or scenes.

Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Mar 28, 2016

Suspicious Cook
Oct 9, 2012

Onward to burgers!
Fun fact: All mentions of E.S.P. are removed in later releases of the game and replaced with just "spiritual power".

PizzaProwler
Nov 4, 2009

Or you can see me at The Riviera. Tuesday nights.
Pillowfights with Dominican mothers.
I shouldn't be surprised that a detective named "Gumshoe" is so incompetent, but drat. He basically gave Wright everything he needed.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
Why are there no gifs of Gumshoe's amazing Full-Body Breathing Exercise, and of his great little chuckle-smile, and his incredible lookaround waggle, that dude has some serious eyebrow game


What i'm asking here is why isn't every picture of Gumshoe animated

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
Walls of Text
#1 Builder
2014-2018

Well, I need to give you a reason to buy the games, right?

Besides, we'll see a lot of Gumshoe, you can't frontload this stuff.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Dick seems awfully low on the totem pole, for actually having a screen presence.

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe
One thing that has always driven me crazy about these games is that the law system is obviously not the American one. In America, the defense had the right to know about all evidence, speak to all witnesses, have copies of all legal reports like autopsies.

I believe that's because Japanese law doesn't have the innocent until proven guilty concept, but if it's set in America... Well, it just bugs me.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Excuse me I think you will find the games are clearly set in Japanofornia.

Aerdan
Apr 14, 2012

Not Dennis NEDry

rotinaj posted:

One thing that has always driven me crazy about these games is that the law system is obviously not the American one. In America, the defense had the right to know about all evidence, speak to all witnesses, have copies of all legal reports like autopsies.

I believe that's because Japanese law doesn't have the innocent until proven guilty concept, but if it's set in America... Well, it just bugs me.

Japan, like almost every country in the world that is neither the US nor a member of the British Commonwealth, has a civil law system rather than English common law. Essentially, not only is there no concept of 'innocent until proven guilty', often there is no truly adversarial court proceeding and convictions of arrestees tends be 90%+. The onus is on the defense to prove their client innocent.

As stated previously in this thread, the Phoenix Wright franchise is a parody of the Japanese court system.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Yeah, Ace Attorney has never claimed to be an accurate portrayal of the American legal system, they say as much in the manual. It's definitely based more on the Japanese legal system, being a Japanese game. They kinda explain it by saying it's the near future of 2016 and due to an increase in crimes, the legal system was reformed to crack down, but it went too far.

It's really gonna be in your best interest if you just stop worrying about legal accuracy, because it's only get worse and worse for you.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Waffleman_ posted:

Yeah, Ace Attorney has never claimed to be an accurate portrayal of the American legal system, they say as much in the manual. It's definitely based more on the Japanese legal system, being a Japanese game. They kinda explain it by saying it's the near future of 2016 and due to an increase in crimes, the legal system was reformed to crack down, but it went too far.

It's really gonna be in your best interest if you just stop worrying about legal accuracy, because it's only get worse and worse for you.
What a surprise, when Hillary became president she passed another bad crime bill :argh:

WFGuy
Feb 18, 2011

Press X to jump, then press X again!
Toilet Rascal
"Japanifornia is totally just Japan"? Obligatory Awkward Zombie link. Katie Tiedrich has a lot to say about Phoenix Wright and friends.

I do love the translation so far, though. Unless Edgeworth's bio had that Terminator reference in the Japanese version too, in which case it's just the overall game dialogue that's wonderful.

Suspicious Cook
Oct 9, 2012

Onward to burgers!
The concept of Japanifornia is actually touched on by head of localization, Janet Hsu, on her Capcom-Unity blog.

Her articles naturally contain spoilers for the games, but the pertinent quote is this:

quote:

It was then that I created a little headcanon for myself (which I suppose is actually real canon now for the localized version): while “Gyakuten Saiban” takes place in Japan, the Los Angeles that “Ace Attorney” takes place in is an alternate universe where anti-Japanese sentiments and anti-immigrant laws were not enacted, and Japanese culture was allowed to flourish and blend into the local culture in the same manner as other immigrant cultures.

hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



I've always assumed that the original thought process went something along the lines of this:

"poo poo, everyone's name in this game is a Japanese pun! No one's going to understand these."

"Why don't we localize the names into English puns?"

"But why would there be a bunch of people with English names walking around Japan?"

"idk let's just say it takes place in a major city on the west coast to explain some of the more Asian things; it's not that Japanese a game."

"Sounds good."

(Years later they regret this when a traditional Japanese small town protected by yokai has to somehow exist in California.)

(But really, that's part of the charm of the games to me, so who cares.)

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Hearsay is that the first game was pretty culturally neutral to ease localization, but since the games weren't localized until after 3, they just leaned into it after that.

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rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

Waffleman_ posted:

Yeah, Ace Attorney has never claimed to be an accurate portrayal of the American legal system, they say as much in the manual. It's definitely based more on the Japanese legal system, being a Japanese game. They kinda explain it by saying it's the near future of 2016 and due to an increase in crimes, the legal system was reformed to crack down, but it went too far.

It's really gonna be in your best interest if you just stop worrying about legal accuracy, because it's only get worse and worse for you.

Okay, two things. A, I said that I was pretty sure the legal system was based on the Japanese one, so y'all guys can chill. It's just a thing that bugged me...

B, when I played through all the games up to Apollo Justice.

God drat y'all jump on people's poo poo fast when they criticize the game.

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