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Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

big scary monsters posted:

Well a sitting MP was assassinated explicitly for political reasons, but let's definitely not examine the political atmosphere that led to her murder! That would be politicising it and dreadfully distasteful.

Only thing I heard was a mentally ill man killed a public figure and any supposed shouts of "britain first" could not be corroborated and are nothing but hearsay.

YF-23 posted:

Are you for loving real

Has Syriza finally done any reforms?

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Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

kustomkarkommando posted:

Well he subsequently gave his name in court as “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain” and had long standing connections to far-right and neo-nazi organizations so maybe you should not avoid reading about how the far-right are bad

Is he still mentally ill and should be locked up for the common good?

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

bencreateddisco posted:

couldn't the conservatives in westminster just refuse to allow them to take this referendum though?

Parliament is sovereign. They can vote on whatever they loving want.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Because some of you are concerned about the value of the GBP.

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/746349370224709633

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

GaussianCopula posted:

Nassim Taleb is such an arrogant prick who is pretty much the mathematicians version of Nigel Farrage and Donald Trump.

You say that as if it were a bad thing.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Doesn't Spain have 50% youth unemployment?
Why would you invite hordes of foreigners of questionable cultural and educational backgrounds instead of asking Spaniards to come to your country?

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

waitwhatno posted:

Nobody did, it's called "Fortress Europe" for a reason. It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a poor man to immigrate legally to Europe.

"Refugees welcome"

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

waitwhatno posted:

So, what's your argument then? That we should declare Spain a humanitarian disaster zone and offer Spaniards asylum? I'm not a lawyer, but I think it would be a pretty hard case to make. There hasn't even been a single cholera or black death outbreak in the last month in all of Spain!

Spaniards are EU citizens and could just be attracted with running ads?

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

Nektu posted:

And now imagine that one of the big players has a real breakthrough in processing natural language. Thats would be the beginning of the end of many of the remaing 50%.

Meet IBM's Watson.
Their technology is slowly making inroads replacing a lot of secretaries and clerks.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

blowfish posted:

So turn it into a proper parliament, whereby it becomes not-toothless.

But then the nameless unaccountable bureaucrats lose power. And you get into the whole problem of unequal representation of people by each MEP

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Another reason is that countrywide results were published four hours before voting finished.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

GaussianCopula posted:

But SYRIZA prefers raising taxes to reducing the kleptocracy so Greece will stay hosed.

Seeing how Greece can't even collect those taxes, does the increase even matter?

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Requiring the owners of the bank to chip in for the bailout seems pretty sensible else they learn nothing but the state will take care of their reckless behaviour.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
What did you expect Farage to do now? He got the referendum he wanted with his preferred result.
He isn't part of the British government, never mind parliament and is unable to influence policy going forward.

For interviews with pithy one liners you don't have to be active in a party.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
It's funny, at the same time Schulz is demanding the EU Commission to be turned into a real government and therefore removing power from the Council/nation governments, Schäuble is demanding the opposite. More power for national governments and less for the Commission.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Wheelchair man is right on that one.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
It's almost like the whole thing is fragile, about to break down at the slightest moment.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Same day Austria votes again on its president.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Wasn't Germany the first to break the fiscal pact and tell the rest to go gently caress off? Or was it France?

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Your idea doesn't work because EU institutions just funnel money into local ones.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
You could argue it already has a tax because EU demands states levy a minimum VAT to fund the membership contributions.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

Lamadrid posted:

Who designed a bailout mechanism that penalizes retail investors and what was the reasoning behind it because holy gently caress a lot of people in the middle class are going to be loving burned.

Someone who wants to insulate all the big money guys from the fallout.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

Mans posted:

The EU is a bastion of human rights and as such introducing the death penalty would be a crime against humanity.

As such, it's much more humane to increase medicine prices by 300% and reap the benefits.

Pharmacy pricing in the EU works something like this: They negotiate a deal in Germany first, because there's no price controls.
After that, France swoops in and demands a 40% price cut for their own market.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
He obviously means in the way of intelligence service, not glorified treasury agents.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Well, it was the anniversary of Breivik's attacks...

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
UK/France are responsible for that disaster formerly called the state of Libya.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

It is awfully convenient to ignore treaties you don't like, isn't it?

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

YF-23 posted:

It is awfully convenient to deflect the responsibility for the consequences of decades of imperialism and war to the one country systematically stripped of the ability to financially support any sort of public services.

Syria had been at war for several years before anything happened, just like Greece's corrupt elites have been financially bleeding the state before anything happened.

You know this, we know this, the thread has been going in a circle for a year now without any changes.

quote:

Maybe the EU should be more federal. The thing about the USA is people seeking asylum don't get dropped in the first state they land in.

Perhaps the EU should be able to allocate refugees across all the members without having to rely on voluntary measures by the countries

:lol: another golden oldie.

I think we should close the thread until something exciting happens. Like Junckers getting a heart attack.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Reminder, Greece is currently prosecuting Andreas Georgiou, former head of the Greek national statistic office ELSTAT, for damaging national interest.

The crime?
Allowing Elstat to correctly calculate the 2009 Greek budget deficit at 15%.
They accuse him of being a pawn of Eurostat making up numbers. Because you see it isn't the Greeks who are at fault but the drat foreigners and

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

YF-23 posted:

Today this thread taught me that Greece electing corrupt politicians is the root cause of the refugee crisis.

You loving idiots

Nobody is blaming poor Graecia for the crisis, we're blaming Greeks for being unable to uphold their treaty obligations, like registering and processing all the people. Greece just threw up its hands and waved them all through.

Now, I know you're going to complain about how the number of people makes it impossible but then I look at Switzerland who manage to process individual asylum requests within two days.

quote:

If Greeks had just magically found that viable non-corrupt third party back in the '80s or '90s, people just wouldn't flee Syria for Europe. Greece would've built a new wooden wall along the Aegean sea, and the refugees would see that and say, "welp, there's no going past that, I guess Europe is just a no-go".

You know, a similar thing does work for Australia very nicely. They catch the smuggling boats and bring them all back.

You can do it as humanely as you'd like but they have to go back.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

doverhog posted:

Blaming Greece for that because they happen to be closest to Syria is idiotic.

Andrast posted:

Yeah it's pretty easy if you just reject everyone and are also not adjacent to the countries where the refugees come from.

:lol: you people. Greece is neither the closest country to Syria nor is it even adjacent to the regions most people actually come from. We know at best 1/3 are Syrians. Most are from North Africa or something.

But lets take Syria as example anyway.

One of their regional neighbours is Saudi Barbaria. They have lots of nicely air-conditioned high-tech tents that are used once a year for the hajj with kitchens and bathing facilities.

They also have plenty of money to support their Arab brothers but instead they decided to use their money to build mosques for their radical wahabi imams in Europe instead.

quote:

It's important to keep in mind that Greece was actually able to keep the refugee problem under control to some degree until SYRIZA was elected, who basically abolished the somewhat functioning Greek asylum system in favor of letting refugees just wander around and out of the country.

Indeed, there was no major problem until 2015 even though there's been a Syrian civil war since 2011.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Greece does not have an obligation to let people in or pass through and until 2015 they did not do so.

Edit: ISIS existed before 2015 as well.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

Boner Slaem posted:


Housing refugees is directly mandated by the teachings of Jesus and therefore part of the Christian foundation of many European nations. Furthermore, it seems to me very obviously basic to any humanist social ethos that is not hypocritic ie. poo poo. So if our European values are worth their poo poo in any way, the refugee ROI is not important.

Christian teachings do not mean you are required to

a) help people if you can't afford it
b) put them up in your own home
c) let them stay or finance them forever
d) support them if they cause social unrest in your community
e) let them put demands on you


The common good was everything for St. Thomas Aquinas and he would have told us to not take in Muslims because they are opposed to Christianity's teachings.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

Tesseraction posted:

Way I see it if we could arbitrarily place the Jewish diaspora in Palestine and say "now it's Israel" we can gut out a large part of... let's say Austria there's nothing of worth there... and make it New Syria.

Look at this guy!

Wants to commit genocide of Germans in Austria and Jews in Palestine at the same time!

Is this a two for one special or something?

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about.

quote:

Europeans have some fantasy about europe being the most civilized place in the world and acknowledging that they have racial issues would mean that isn't true.

I am not sure these are exclusive.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
^^
Good joke but Sarah Wagenknecht has been killing it recently with real talk.

drilldo squirt posted:

Why did you spend the time to take out the link to my post riso? It's kinda weird.

I copied and pasted by hand, you sperg.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

computer parts posted:

Yes, truly the Poles are why they banned minarets.

But can we at least agree they are the reason for Brexit? I mean c'mon!

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Yup. All these loving terrorists had been under surveillance but they were too incompetent/unwilling to actually stop them.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Let's be honest here.
If anyone else but a muslim were to go swimming in full clothing we'd call him a retard.

Interestingly I've seen these "burkini" things are banned for hygienic reasons in indoor pools.

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Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

fishmech posted:

It shouldn't be, because that's not what it is.

I'd like to hear what it really is please.

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