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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Guys we all need to remember that no matter what. No Matter What. Political violence is baaaaaaaaad. Do you sincerely believe that this assassination will improve things rather than worsen them? That fewer people will now suffer and there is no likelihood that more people will suffer instead?
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:It will minutely disrupt the functioning of the corrupt and barbaric governments of both Turkey and Russia. A net positive. You really do believe in all of that? There is no possibility of things getting even worse? Things can always get worse and acts of violence can backfire in ways unimaginable. Turkey may become even more corrupt, Russia even more barbaric due to this, and international community won't say a thing because they don't like to see ambassadors getting murdered.
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Nilbop posted:Currently 9 killed, 50 injured. 
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:You're one of these people that dismiss all violence because it's, well, violent and therefore bad. There are a lot of you.  e: I feel sorry for saying that  I don't wish you or your next of kin any harm. I wish I could discuss this constructively with you, but I think us debating over this is futile. Oh for sure sometimes political violence furthers some political goals, but you can never tell if it really helps that goal, and at that point it also comes under question whether the goal was objectively worth killing for because you're too consumed by your ideology.
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Randarkman posted:Well the Nice guy had much more road to drive on and plow down people on before his vehicle was stopped. I mean it'd be interesting if in both cases 1 out of 6 people hit by the truck died while the other 5 survived with injuries. But it must be just a coincidence that the ratios are so close and it's too early to tell if they stay that way, I do hope so. Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Well since it's the first time I've seen someone post a thing and then edit it while leaving the original for eveyone to see I'll gladly recognize the matter to be settled ITT. M'lady/laddy/porpoise 
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Kassad posted:The real suspect is apparently still at large on foot and he's armed. hosed up if true, Weihnachten is cancelled
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Kassad posted:I'm assuming the Berlin police aren't complete idiots and have supporting evidence they haven't disclosed. BBC earlier reported on the capture of the Pakistani suspect that quote:He was seized after leaving the lorry and fleeing on foot for more than a mile (2km) towards the Tiergarten, a large public park. So it comes down to how reliable the eye witness who followed him is, did he see him leave the truck's cabin and at no point lost sight. Otherwise there could be a mix up. There's bound to be plenty of evidence to prove or disprove his involvement, but testing DNA, going through tons of CCTV material and checking alibis is going to ruin many CSI and Kripo agent's holidays, meanwhile the uncertainty if the right guy is on loose and fear of copycat attacks keeps everyone else at full alert.
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Dec 20, 2016 14:09
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Wait, what? Police is now allowed to murder people in custody? Can't be right. It's so out of place with all the other law changes. I wonder what the definition of 'in custody' is here because someone in custody obstructing so hard that warning shots and then shooting at are needed doesn't sound like the common sense meaning of the term.
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All reasonable people agree that people, whether they be citizens or asylum seekers, who pose a public threat should be prevented from going postal. All reasonable people also agree that you can't shoot those people to the Moon because they would die there, making us murderers. And if they are refugees who have left their homes and families to save their lives then we can't send them back to a place where they would die, for the same reason.
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Wild Horses posted:Italy should have it’s roman borders back. Libya and slovenia are rightfully italian clay. This is not the Scottish independence thread.
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Turkey's not seeking any friends right now, it seems.
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I'm not completely sure which thread this fits into, but... https://twitter.com/bouboutyassine/status/1270287174840266752 imho they should have just cut the hands off and left it there
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3D Megadoodoo posted:We still have a statue - well, a bust - of Lenin. I'm pretty sure a lot of people who live here don't even realize that. A list of Lenin statues and memorial plaques in Finland: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luettelo_V._I._Leninin_patsaista_ja_muistomerkeist%C3%A4_Suomessa The Lenin museum itself is located in the house where Lenin met Stalin for the first time.
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Moving towards a true federation instead of a flimsy coalition seems improbable because for a federation to work, you'd need some kind of shared feeling of belonging together among the common folks. Now we have elites who move across national borders very fluently and can feel true camaraderie with foreign colleagues, and working class filth who either have to go abroad to slave away for capitalists and experience racism every day or who see foreigners coming from poorer countries to steal their jobs. USA is as close to a monoculture as you can get for a country of that size, and even they are struggling with keeping everyone devoted to the federal project. It feels like a sisyphean task to reform EU from what it is now into a federation when most people don't want that now and to change this you need unanimity, and it doesn't look like the stress on societies is going to reduce in the coming decades. We are having more climate pressure, more asylum seekers coming, more economic competition from China, population ages more. With all these challenges, I'm not sure if federation is ever going to be feasible - in a democratic, peaceful manner. OTOH all of these challenges would be so much easier to face if we did have federation. It's like United Nations, we know it needs to be reformed or things will go horrible, but we won't be able to reform it until after things go horrible, just like with League of Nations. But I haven't given up hope with EU yet, and our future is not a binary choice of either we achieve the internationalist utopia or we descend into a nationalist hell. And who knows, maybe future generations will be brainwashed by Chinese social media companies and there will be one world government after all! 
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Cicero posted:If I was part of a democratic polity that included China? Yeah of course. How else would you do it? Give the Chinese fewers votes because gently caress 'em, there's too many? Russia is also a democratic* federation. Had things gone differently in history, Finland could be one of its republics. I think I much prefer this loose dysfunctional union, thank you very much. It's not different from other issues of representation. We have lots of special rules and checks in place to ensure that the majority doesn't just decide that Muslims are dangerous and need re-education, like China actually does. *this is a footnote
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mawarannahr posted:I believe this is American gun dogma. Official policy in Turkey is to fire warning shots, and Turkish police kill far fewer people than American ones. I’d rather take my chances with the Turks. Yeah, never ever take the standard operation protocol of US police force as the golden standard of police work. It's like you were following the insights of a German death camp commandant as a hotel manager.
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When there was a knife attacker in Finland who stabbed a bunch of people in name of Allah, police got there and popped one shot into his leg and arrested him (& started giving first aid) Is aiming at lower limbs safe? Of course not. Is it safer than aiming at the middle of the body? Very much yes. Is firing warning shots safer than aiming at a crowd? Hell yes. I have a feeling that we have debated this with A Buttery Pastry before and nothing has changed.
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Blut posted:The idea that you can selectively aim at body parts on a moving, possibly dangerous, target is only ever spouted by people who've spent too much time playing Call of Duty. In the real world hitting any moving target is hard, people are trained to aim for the center of mass because its the easiest thing to aim for. American police are maniacs because their response to many problems that would be de-escalated by other police forces is to pull out their guns and start firing away, not because of where on the body they're aiming their guns. Do American police even get any training?   imho maybe you should look at the evidence before you say a word more?
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Osmosisch posted:Plenty of European countries have had little a dictatorship, as a treat, since ww2. Or in the case of Spain, ousting a dictatorship is an opportunity to bring back monarchy. Thank gods that fad didn't spread to the ex-communist countries.
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steinrokkan posted:Macron's platform is basically the younger you are, the longer life of drudgery and the more crushing financial bondage you can look forward to. Macron's idea is that young people should get married with someone 25 years older than them to ensure financial security.
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https://twitter.com/lesoir/status/1601281939423502336quote:Greek Socialist MEP Eva Kaili, one of the 14 vice-presidents of the European Parliament, was brought in for questioning in Brussels on Friday evening in connection with an investigation into suspected corruption involving "a Gulf country", AFP and Belgian outlet Le Soir reported, quoting prosecutor's offfice.
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This article from November sure ended ominously: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-...-2022-kicks-in/ quote:There had been some hesitancy before the vote especially from within the S&D and the EPP, with Socialist lawmaker and Parliament Vice President Eva Kaili arguing Wednesday that Qatar is a “frontrunner in labor rights,” but that still some “discriminate” against it. It's amazing what people will say for a bag of money.
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Kuna is 100 lipa, or 50 dua lipa.
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They just moved the centre of Kiruna, now they will have to pack up again   
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Doctor Malaver posted:Why doesn't Euro have €1 and €2 bills, like dollar has? The 5€ bill is the smallest and a bunch of everyday stuff costs less. 5€ is 38 kn and we had 10 kn and 20 kn bills which served the purpose well. Now I have a choice of either paying every small expense by card (not always possible), or carrying around a pouch of coins. It actually feels like a step back -- now that we've joined the European future etc, my wallet is bursting at the seams and my pockets are full of coins. We don't have so many strip clubs that it would matter. In Finland we also had mark coins up to 10 FIM which is about equivalent to 2 EUR. It would be weird to have notes with such useless denominations.
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May Day seems to be going nicely in France (CNN live feed) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qMYiDTcqEg
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What would Denmark leaving EU be called? Legxit?
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jaete posted:In many countries Iraq was completely, 100% different from Afghanistan. The biggest ever demonstration in Finland was against the idiotic invasion of Iraq. Meanwhile Afghanistan was just a background thing which we helped with, even though Finland wasn't in Nato at that time. ISAF operated on a mandate from UN Security Council, so had also the approval of Russia and China. This ties to Putin approaching GWB at the time, pointing out that "see, I was right in dealing with Chechens!" This relationship soured quickly when Bush and Blair started drumming up for war against Iraq, and in part cemented Putin's view that Russia must seek geopolitical independence and regional leadership, Russia has only to lose by playing by rules if USA plays Calvin Ball. I'm not sure that he wouldn't have become an underpant poisoning genocidal despot in any case, but that we'll never know. However USA and Britain lost a lot of soft power in third world by destabilising the entire region hunting for non-existent WMDs, something that Putin then claimed Ukraine had in 2022.
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