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V. Illych L. posted:active censorship of news agencies seems relevant when discussing whether the commitment to free speech in the EU is an inherent part of the project imo Yeah, freedom of speech totally means copies of The Daily Stormer and Völkischer Beobachter at every newsstand, lmao
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Banning media spreading conspiracy theories, xenophobia and fascism is good, and not "contradictory" to principles of liberty. Intolerance can't be tolerated, tolerance can only be a mutual contract, not a one way street, etc. - all these clichés are actually true.
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Mar 2, 2022 19:30
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No, you just don't have a good concept of what free speech means.
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Mar 2, 2022 20:29
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Free speech as a matter of policy, rather than some half-assed abstract unrefined idea, is the freedom of speech which does not infringe on other freedoms of the polity that exercises this right. Including inciting hatred against its members, destabilizing its democratic institutions etc. This is commonly understood throughout Europe and there is nothing against being absolutely committed to free speech in banning outlets that violate the fundamental principles of the Union, any more than making murder illegal is a violation of commitment to personal freedom.
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Mar 2, 2022 20:37
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The EU has struck "against" a lot of its principles - freedom of movement, freedom of trade, freedom of property, in the course of issuing its sanctions. Such is the nature of executive action at times of emergency. Doubt anybody would suggest the EU has secretly shown it is actually secretly Communist and its supposed commitment to politics based on liberal economics has been a ruse.
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Mar 2, 2022 21:53
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War isn't the only "abnormal" state of things. The current international order is established specifically to feature a long tier list of normally non-permissible emergency measures in order to make war as unlikely as possible. Countries resorting to things that go against the normal way of doing business without declaring war is, in a way, a normal way of doing business, and international institutions working as intended in a crisis.
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Mar 2, 2022 22:03
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I don't think European countries would be particularly opposed to a foreign government taking targeted steps to sanction media properties of a hostile power as part of an international conflict. It just isn't the same as banning domestic outlets, or foreign ones without a diplomatic explanation and a clear delimitation of grievances.
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Mar 2, 2022 22:23
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That was weeks before diplomacy between Russia and the EU broke down, while Russia was denying anything was going on. Europe wasn't banning Russian media at the time either. Ironically that would have made Europe justified in taking retaliatory measures without being hypocritical, except the EU showed srong adherence to freedom of speech in NOT responding in kind until Russia started a war in the neighborhood. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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Mar 2, 2022 22:25
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It doesn't you are just being willfully dense and having one of the stupidest arguments over (misinterpreted) semantics I've ever seen. There are clearly established norms for this sort of things, the fact you refuse to acknowledge them doesn't mean anything.
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Mar 2, 2022 22:30
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This is neither am ideal world, nor an ideal time. If the EU wanted to shut them down via judicial decision, they should have started the process years ago. But that's not what they did, due to their far too naive and too absolute commitment to freedoms of speech and enterprise, and the action they are taking now is in an entirely different institutional ballpark as a retaliation against an enemy power. Let's talk about it being problematic if they don't lift the ban after - if relations with Russia become normalized. Until then, unless you are also deeply concerned about frozen oligarch assets and travel restrictions for Russian air lines, this is hypocritical concern trolling.
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Mar 3, 2022 08:50
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You have just rephrased attacking one's society in so many words to show it wasn't attacking one's society
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Mar 3, 2022 13:11
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Hm, yes, I think this calls for one rectangular section of a pepperoni slice. Perfect
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Apr 15, 2022 13:14
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punk rebel ecks posted:Wow the younger the more right wing. Macron's platform is basically the younger you are, the longer life of drudgery and the more crushing financial bondage you can look forward to.
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Apr 24, 2022 23:06
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The invisible hand hath spoketh, sadly nothing can be done 
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Oct 29, 2022 14:07
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What's wrong with the kuna?
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Dec 31, 2022 14:53
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Everybody loves kuna, the adorable coin stoat. ... We regret to inform you the kuna is racist.
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Dec 31, 2022 15:15
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According to Russia it is a conspiracy by global capital to strangle the last pure bastion of white Christian culture in a world of degeneracy.
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Mar 6, 2023 13:32
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You know who else was active in German politics for over two decades?
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Mar 10, 2023 16:50
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They said they were going to switch, but since when are corporations expected to follow through on their promises? I don't see it as any more credible than the commitment by EU governments that turned out to be worth less than the paper it was published on, of anything it's even less credible on account of the nature of business and not being beholden to the public. Even if they do mostly transition to EV, that doesn't mean they won't be tempted to wring as much residual revenue from legacy ICE manufacturing as possible.
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Mar 11, 2023 09:20
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I've found an EC document with some interesting charts https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...U5N1110KZjW8jKa First, on page 24, there's a list of definitions of homelessness as formulated by surveyed officials from member countries. Just from that it's obvious that the scope of what's covered under that term is extremely variable, in some cases there is no real definition and only implicit understanding gleaned from particular provisions in social legislation. The chapter opens by lamenting the failure to introduce a standardized model of homelessness in EU census and research. Then on page 27 are member states' policies broken up as they regard people in various life situations graded by severity. However the paper notes that just because a person under a certain category is considered to be homeless, doesn't mean there are means in place to provide statistical data regarding persons in that situation. Further on the paper goes through each category and for each member provides the most recent available data and source - and it's once again obvious that the availability and quality of data fries wildly.
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Aug 13, 2023 10:00
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Germany started a war? When?
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Jan 23, 2024 12:09
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Fico simply follows the oh so familiar "disgraced social democrat -> fascist tinpot dictator" pipeline.
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Mar 21, 2024 23:05
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golden bubble posted:This. You must remember that France and Germany spend roughly the same amount on their military. But France manages to buy multiple functioning armored brigades, their own set of purely French stupid neocolonialist German military budget mostly goes to the salaries of Russian spies
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Mar 22, 2024 09:53
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If you institute a universal second language, it will just degenerate into numerous regional, mutually unintelligible variants. It has already happened to English, French, Spanish...
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Mar 23, 2024 12:42
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:Yes, I agree. When English became a mandatory language at university, businesses and other institutions they made us speak their language. Language changes us. Our thoughts, our personality, our sense of right and wrong. Words can be lethal. Words invade our bodies, sink into our heart and multiply inside us. Our home, our truth, has been stolen. Our past has been stolen. We were left with only our future, and our future should be revenge, revenge against those who sucked the words out of our people, and that's when I realized that the code of language, the code of the message, everything around us, is the genetic code that runs through history.
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Mar 25, 2024 10:47
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Need not being evil thinking to make confusion aimingly. We only need to hold easy farm reason rules we learned on basic school so we all understand
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Mar 27, 2024 21:36
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Yes, it's called "remembering things" Or, in European English, to memorying a things
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Mar 28, 2024 09:03
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Private Speech posted:Being 0.01% below isn't too far off to be fair. Also whatever these countries may want, they are still in the eu, if the union is dominated by austerity and fiscal conservatism obsessed cretins from Germany and al., how are you going to increase your defense budget if these key players are delinquent? The result would be that you'd be at an economic disadvantage and would have to cut social spending or something else to compensate. Defense absolutely must be coordinated on an intergovernmental level, but there were (and still are) too many bad faith and / or incompetent actors in the way of progress.
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Just have them dismantle all of German infrastructure and sell it in exchange for weapons and lots of vodka
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