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Who will win the debate?
Bernie "I Hate Math" Sanders
Hillary "I Am Inevitable" Clinton
TRUMP *steaks*
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gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Neeksy posted:

I have to admit I love hearing a Dem candidate take a huge rhetorical poo poo on Reagan and the Monroe Doctrine, that was one of my favorite moments.

Least favorite: "Hey Bernie here's an intellectually dishonest question, you have 5 seconds to respond."

Yeah that was bullshit. I can't wait for the stats of who was asked more questions and total time speaking.

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Rexicon1
Oct 9, 2007

A Shameful Path Led You Here

Neurolimal posted:

Bernie's team will be composed of the ghosts and goats of Che, Lenin, Marx, Trotsky, the geekiest Castro son, and that gay Kim Jong Il son (he'll have him murdered first)

It will be the most spoogressiveky cabinet ever

Which castro son the geeky one. Also, which one's the bad boy, the boy next door, the dreamboat and which one is "the glue"

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Typo posted:

maybe but it makes 0 sense to tap him as VP cuz Sanders already has the left vote locked down he needs a moderate and definitely either a minority or women or both to expand his base

Oprah would lock it up for him

He needs Oprah

VR Native American
May 1, 2009
Gun Saliva
If Bernie gets UHC through then you will NEVER have to suffer through another boring healthcare ad.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Rexicon1 posted:

It's worth noting that I think that Obama is a terrible benchmark for me. I'm sure he might have been more leftist if he hadn't been obliterated every step of the way, but I get the feeling that he's perfectly comfortable focusing on neoliberal tentpoles.

Well agree to disagree then


Joementum posted:

No, he's said he doesn't think we need a wall.

for a man that loves infrastructure spending you think he wouldn't hate walls and streets so much :downsrim:

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
I recognize that its probably the most impossible pipe dream ever, but I might die from excitement and joy if we were to have a future where our leaders consist of Trudeau, Sanders, and Corbyn

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Homeless Friend posted:

:agreed: people love to put up their candidate on a pedestal

Animal_Nuz_Clinton_&_Sanders_both_awesome.jpg

Bad Titty Puker
Nov 3, 2007
Soiled Meat
Hillary: "I'm not a natural politician, like my husband or President Obama"

thinks: poo poo, they're not buying it

Bad Titty Puker has issued a correction as of 06:09 on Mar 10, 2016

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Rexicon1 posted:

Which castro son the geeky one. Also, which one's the bad boy, the boy next door, the dreamboat and which one is "the glue"

The one who wore a dragon costume to a drag show

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Neurolimal posted:

I recognize that its probably the most impossible pipe dream ever, but I might die from excitement and joy if we were to have a future where our leaders consist of Trudeau, Sanders, and Corbyn

the 27th internationale

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Commie NedFlanders posted:

her "current platform" is just rhetoric that she's figured is useful in the year of Bernie


her actual history with regards to policy doesn't match her current rhetoric

It never would. She was elected in a state that wasn't nearly as progressive as Vermont and didn't grow up in extremely progressive places. I kinda don't really care about a candidates policy past unless it's really bad and Clintons is just mixed. What I care about is them admitting they need to do things in order to get votes, which is what she's done.

Like the meme that politicians don't do what they say they will in office isn't very true because reelection is a thing.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Heavy neutrino posted:


i figure a lot of them might come from the 170 economists who wrote a letter backing bernie's wall street reform idea. academics, policy-makers and so on who are outside the wall street cultural bubble.

ummm did you see those economists' affiliations? some of them are even at non-flagship public colleges!!

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Has anyone calculated how much money Jeff Bezos stands to actually lose from a Sanders presidency

I imagine it's a lot

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.

Neurolimal posted:

I recognize that its probably the most impossible pipe dream ever, but I might die from excitement and joy if we were to have a future where our leaders consist of Trudeau, Sanders, and Corbyn

i know a lot of the international media reported the LPC win in canada as the oncoming of massive left-wing governance but the idea that canada's liberals have moved one inch away from their 1990's Clintonite position has yet to be proven, and my hunch is that it won't be

Rexicon1
Oct 9, 2007

A Shameful Path Led You Here

Heavy neutrino posted:

yeah and on the flipside if you look at super-detailed exit polls you find that a sizeable chunk of hillary's support comes from people who like both candidates and their policies but choose to default to hillary. on the other hand, a lot of bernie's support comes from people who, policy aside, don't like hillary on various character traits (sincere, trustworthy, cares about people like me) which is why it's so baffling that hillary is making dishonest attacks like the auto bailout claim instead of guarding her integrity indices like a hawk.


i figure a lot of them might come from the 170 economists who wrote a letter backing bernie's wall street reform idea. academics, policy-makers and so on who are outside the wall street cultural bubble.

I would love a cabinet with a bunch more leftist academic minds than weird businessmen and lawyers.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Neurolimal posted:

I recognize that its probably the most impossible pipe dream ever, but I might die from excitement and joy if we were to have a future where our leaders consist of Trudeau, Sanders, and Corbyn

against all odds, the revolution first sweeps through the anglosphere

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Speaking times during debate laid out via reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/49rvi4/march_9th_2016_dnc_primaries_wapounivision/d0ubsi2


SPEAKING AND INTERRUPTION TOTALS (from 6:50 pm Pacific to end)

Hillary total: 1409 sec or 23:29 | interrupted 10 times (not including clarification/follow-up)

Bernie total: 1071 sec or 17:51 | interrupted 25 times (not including follow-ups)

Started timing at 6:50 pm Pacific

H - 1:40 uninterrupted

H - 1:42 uninterrupted

B - interrupted at 0:34, interrupted 0:40 (interrupted 5 times) | 1:30 total

H - interrupted at 0:30 | 1:11 total

B - interrupted at 0:15, and 0:30 seconds | 0:32 total

H - interrupted at 0:20 | 0:30 total

B - applause at 0:15, interrupted by mod at 25 seconds | 0:31 total

H - (not her turn) Interrupted at 2 seconds, 5 seconds | 0:40 total

B - (response to her response), interrupted at 10 seconds | 0:10 total

H - interrupted at 1:40 for reiteration of question and applause | 3:08 total -- ignoring applause and mod questioning time

B - (30 sec response), interrupted at 30 seconds and 35 seconds| 0:42 total

COMMERCIAL

B - Career politician question | 1:24 total

H - Latino jobs, (but talked about Climate change?), interrupted at 1:33, 2:17 | 2:17 total

B - Response, interrupted at 0:30 | 1:23 total

B - ‘Free’ college (including his clarification up top), interrupted at 0:42 | 1:29 total

H - Ph.D student/loans | 1:20 total

B - Response (I said it before her) - whispers on mic on this question, interrupted at 0:42, 0:58 | 0:58 total

H - Response (quote bailout quote got money), interrupted at 0:49 | 1:02 total

B - Response, interrupted at 0:32 (by mods and Hillary) | 0:32 total

H - Response | 0:49 total

B - Response, interrupted at 0:42 | 0:45 total

B - Climate change, interrupted at 0:52 | 1:29 total

H - Climate change (bi-partisan specific), interrupted at 1:12 (by mods, Bernie told to speak) mod at 1:42 again | 2:00 total

B - Response, interrupted at 0:42 | 0:42 total (not equal to Hill’s overtime like told)

H - E. Warren question (also economy?), interrupted at 1:33 | 1:33 total

B - name mentioned response, interrupted at 0:34, 0:41, 0:47 | 0:57 total

COMMERCIAL

H - Castro question | 1:39 total

B - Cuba follow-up, interrupted at 0:35 | 0:35 total

B - Castro video, interrupted at 1:19 (for follow-up question), 1:28, 2:08 | 2:08 total

H - Puerto Rico debt (also an addition to BS’s video), | 1:33 total

B - Response (overthrowing foreign gvmt/PR), int at 0:40 | 0:50 total

H - (Supreme Court) | 1:19 total

COMMERCIAL

H - (Closing statement) | 1:06 total

B - (Closing statement) | 1:14 total

Showed Hil, Showed Bern, Showed Hil, Outro by the mods - GET OUT AND VOTE

The Landstander
Apr 20, 2004

I stand on land.
Yeah Democrats tend to like both candidates, it's just primary mode so everyone's tuned up to 11. One of the underdiscussed things I always see is that, if you look at favorability ratings, even black Democrats tend to like Bernie in pretty big numbers (they, uh, just don't vote for him because [endless arguments]).

I'm pretty sure when one, almost certainly Bernie, eventually drops out everyone will get in line...but I'm a little worried about the enthusiasm level of young people. Trump would probably fix that. :v:

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Heavy neutrino posted:

i know a lot of the international media reported the LPC win in canada as the oncoming of massive left-wing governance but the idea that canada's liberals have moved one inch away from their 1990's Clintonite position has yet to be proven, and my hunch is that it won't be

Which is about as far left as Sanders could possibly go since even UHC is a pipe dream

Commie NedFlanders
Mar 8, 2014

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

You're right, except that when a question is too good, it doesn't get answered, and from what I remember that happened there.

I thought Bernie's overall best line of the night was "I am dangerous" but I'm not sure how much coverage it'll get.



Hillary was probably a very good lawyer.

I just think she's a bad candidate because she comes across as someone who's been playing the game so long that she's forgotten the rules are all rigged. And that has policy implications, because she's very likely to appoint other elites to sensitive positions and to implement policy that benefits elites at the expense of the everyone else because she forgets too easily what it's like to not be an elite.

This is why the wall street speeches are such a good point for Bernie to raise. You and I don't get the opportunity to make speeches at a hundred grand a pop. Hillary probably genuinely believes there was nothing wrong with giving those speeches and that she wasn't unduly influenced by them. But that in and of itself signals she's part of the problem.

Sure if you ask her straight out "do you want to help the poor" she'll say yes because she's thinking about it and in the abstract she probably does. But when it comes down to it she's going to protect her circle and her donors over others, likely telling herself she's protecting "everybody" by doing so. She probably honestly believes that Obama's DOJ made the correct decision in not criminally, personally prosecuting any bankers after the crisis. She probably sincerely believes that positions like free college and universal public option health care are too radical to be achieved, because she's still thinking in terms of her husband's electorate, not today's.

Basically I just think she's outdated and out of touch.

tl:dr she is a bad candidate, it's not personal

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Heavy neutrino posted:

i know a lot of the international media reported the LPC win in canada as the oncoming of massive left-wing governance but the idea that canada's liberals have moved one inch away from their 1990's Clintonite position has yet to be proven, and my hunch is that it won't be

In all fairness, even that is a leftwards leap from where Harper put him.

Fuckhead wouldn't even fly over to canaindians and shoot the poo poo with their leaders for a day to end controversial protests

Dead Cosmonaut
Nov 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Venom Snake posted:

It never would. She was elected in a state that wasn't nearly as progressive as Vermont and didn't grow up in extremely progressive places. I kinda don't really care about a candidates policy past unless it's really bad and Clintons is just mixed. What I care about is them admitting they need to do things in order to get votes, which is what she's done.

Like the meme that politicians don't do what they say they will in office isn't very true because reelection is a thing.

New York is pretty progressive

Immortan
Jun 6, 2015

by Shine
In a debate essentially about nothing but immigration, they weren't asked once about the harmful effects of illegal immigration, an open border, and what they would do to stop it. It was nothing more then "how do we acquire millions of free votes as soon as possible?"

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
lol univision is basically beting on hilary beating sanders and then forcing hilary to take a position on immigration that they can call her on it later without realizing it's poo poo like this that might actually lose the election to trump

Immortan
Jun 6, 2015

by Shine

Venom Snake posted:

It never would. She was elected in a state that wasn't nearly as progressive as Vermont and didn't grow up in extremely progressive places. I kinda don't really care about a candidates policy past unless it's really bad and Clintons is just mixed. What I care about is them admitting they need to do things in order to get votes, which is what she's done.

Classic :shillary: supporter rhetoric.

fatal oopsie-daisy
Jul 30, 2007

by R. Guyovich
Is there somewhere I can watch this even though it just aired?

fatal oopsie-daisy
Jul 30, 2007

by R. Guyovich
Also

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE


I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)

lol looks like a mexican soap opera

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
cookies need love

Mister Fister posted:

lol looks like a mexican soap opera

She's Guatemalan

Immortan
Jun 6, 2015

by Shine

gohmak posted:

She's Guatemalan

Mexicans hate Guatemalans. You should learn about the latin hierarchy.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Typo posted:

Bernie is basically a D&D poster which is to say he's a 60s new left hippie who had a hardon for Socialism of USSR and Cuba and willing to excuse the fact that they were dictatorships cuz they were left-wing enough. And he never gave that up even though it's 2016.

So I guess it's more accurate D&D tries to emulate bernie

what a bad post

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



So did I miss anything good? Did someone really poo poo on Reagan shortly after his wife's passing? If so, yussss

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


Epic High Five posted:

So did I miss anything good? Did someone really poo poo on Reagan shortly after his wife's passing? If so, yussss


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJOF13eD9bg

Bernice Anders
Feb 26, 2016

by zen death robot
Who won the debate??

Immortan
Jun 6, 2015

by Shine

Bernice Anders posted:

Who won the debate??

Trump, because they gave him free coverage by bitching about him.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Immortan posted:

Trump, because they gave him free coverage by bitching about him.

In that case Hillary has won every GOP debate


Haha nice.

Pomplamoose
Jun 28, 2008

rudatron posted:

He keeps going on about this Wall Street though, so maybe he'll use that?!?!

Build a wall around Wall Street and deport all the billionaires to the Cayman Islands.

Pomplamoose
Jun 28, 2008

Also according to the Washington Post, Bernie Sanders can't be considered the winner of a debate since he's so far behind in delegates.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news..._politics_pop_b

The Landstander
Apr 20, 2004

I stand on land.

Sebadoh Gigante posted:

Also according to the Washington Post, Bernie Sanders can't be considered the winner of a debate since he's so far behind in delegates.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news..._politics_pop_b

quote:

Bernie Sanders's suit: The man wore a BROWN SUIT. (Or maybe it was blue? No. No, it was brown.) This was basically all anybody could talk about on social media for the first 10 minutes.

I think being a journalist at this point is 40% reading Twitter.

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ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

New York is pretty progressive

No it's not. New York Democrats are republican's because most new yorkers are victims of learned helplessness and don't realize that voting D isn't indicative of anything. e.g. Bloomberg, Cuomo.

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