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Why are nerds obsessed with "information" now? I know it's a real concept in science and poo poo, but that post and others like it are a bit histrionic. Especially coupled with fantasies about the future of human existence resting on terraforming Mars!
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May 22, 2016 15:14
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Best Giraffe posted:Why are nerds obsessed with "information" now? I know it's a real concept in science and poo poo, but that post and others like it are a bit histrionic. Especially coupled with fantasies about the future of human existence resting on terraforming Mars! Nerds think it's better to be right than humane and kind, it's one of the reasons they're so unpopular
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May 22, 2016 15:18
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Best Giraffe posted:Why are nerds obsessed with "information" now? I know it's a real concept in science and poo poo, but that post and others like it are a bit histrionic. Especially coupled with fantasies about the future of human existence resting on terraforming Mars! This is like asking why humans have been so obsessed with "money." Information is the new currency, which is dangerous as soon as you realize--as Alphabet, Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Hillary Clinton have--that human beings are living information, each of us individual microcosms and carriers of the world spirt. That's why companies like Snapchat can sell for a bajillion dollars despite having near-zero income. Cash-revenue is irrelevant, Facebook gobbled up snapchat and instagram because of those app's data-revenue. Owning data is paramount when dealing with creatures composed of it; humans are gleefully selling their inner lives and personal moments to corporations in exchange for not having to ask directions to Papa Murphys and being able to check their bank accounts on the go. Convenience is slavery. The only "information" that remains unsold are the thoughts bouncing around in your skull, and even those are up for grabs to the right silicon valley Berkeley nerd who perfects facial-expression reading technology.
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May 22, 2016 15:48
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i doubt trump will have the balls to go for nuclear power or mass agricultural genetic engineering climate change resistance, because at heart he's a giant coward who wants to pander to his constituency
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May 22, 2016 16:42
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:This is like asking why humans have been so obsessed with "money." Information is the new currency, which is dangerous as soon as you realize--as Alphabet, Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Hillary Clinton have--that human beings are living information, each of us individual microcosms and carriers of the world spirt. That's why companies like Snapchat can sell for a bajillion dollars despite having near-zero income. Cash-revenue is irrelevant, Facebook gobbled up snapchat and instagram because of those app's data-revenue. Owning data is paramount when dealing with creatures composed of it; humans are gleefully selling their inner lives and personal moments to corporations in exchange for not having to ask directions to Papa Murphys and being able to check their bank accounts on the go. Convenience is slavery. The only "information" that remains unsold are the thoughts bouncing around in your skull, and even those are up for grabs to the right silicon valley Berkeley nerd who perfects facial-expression reading technology. It is a great oversimplification to say that we "are" data, but I don't want to get into some absurd tangle of semantics and philosophy about it--I am not a DnD poster and I pray every night that I will never sink to those depths.
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May 22, 2016 17:29
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I have made peace with the inevitibility of open political violence and I will take full responsibility for my actions when I get dragged to Den Haag.
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May 22, 2016 23:04
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:...our only hope is a space colony that lives in a giant Rivenworld-halo-type ship for a few generations while Mars is terraformed... Necc0 posted:Hate to break this to you but terraforming Mars is literally impossible. Its core is dead meaning no magnetic poles which means no ionized atmosphere which means basically no meaningful atmosphere or protection from radiation. Any addition atmosphere we could add to it would just be blown away. Frankly with that amount of sheer mass outside earth orbit, we might as well build entire sky-cities 50-60km up in the venusian atmosphere, which is actually like a balmy earth day in terms of radiation and constituent gases. Just don't sink or the acid and the heat will turn you into overdone ceviche. Best Giraffe posted:Why are nerds obsessed with "information" now? I know it's a real concept in science and poo poo, but that post and others like it are a bit histrionic. Especially coupled with fantasies about the future of human existence resting on terraforming Mars!
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May 22, 2016 23:27
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:This is like asking why humans have been so obsessed with "money." Information is the new currency, which is dangerous as soon as you realize--as Alphabet, Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Hillary Clinton have--that human beings are living information, each of us individual microcosms and carriers of the world spirt. That's why companies like Snapchat can sell for a bajillion dollars despite having near-zero income. Cash-revenue is irrelevant, Facebook gobbled up snapchat and instagram because of those app's data-revenue. Owning data is paramount when dealing with creatures composed of it; humans are gleefully selling their inner lives and personal moments to corporations in exchange for not having to ask directions to Papa Murphys and being able to check their bank accounts on the go. Convenience is slavery. The only "information" that remains unsold are the thoughts bouncing around in your skull, and even those are up for grabs to the right silicon valley Berkeley nerd who perfects facial-expression reading technology. wait, if data is the new money then why do companies buy data and sell data for money instead of more data
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Stabbatical posted:wait, if data is the new money then why do companies buy data and sell data for money instead of more data Trumps Baby Hands posted:Cash-revenue is irrelevant i dunno what a "world spirit" is but nobody apart from you was saying data was replacing money
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May 23, 2016 01:21
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I'm looking forward to the Trumpian Jihad, then he'll terraform Arrakis and we'll all live happily ever after
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May 24, 2016 18:59
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Stabbatical posted:wait, if data is the new money then why do companies buy data and sell data for money instead of more data https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peering?wprov=sfsi1
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May 26, 2016 06:58
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Data? More like DADA, because this whole thing is RIDICULOUS!!
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May 26, 2016 21:35
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Islam scares the crap out of me and as as result I think a lot of the alt-right stuff about the EU migrant crisis makes a lot of sense (see this guy's channel for more: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmrLCXSDScliR7q8AxxjvXg). I think almost all the developed world's problems will not be solved by politics, but by technology, and politics will be forced to conform by the changes that technology will make. I think tech will bail us out on energy scarcity (via solar and fusion), on climate change (via solar, fusion, EVs, carbon recapture, geo-engineering), on the insanity of modern day life (via automation). It will force socialism and egalitarianism by making just about everything almost free. At the same time, a whole lotta people in 3rd world countries are gonna die due to climate change. I'm becoming more conservative on certain issues like family values and gender roles. At this point, for most families, both parents have to work in order to provide for their children, and I think that's a travesty, and I think feminism is/was a big part of that. I'll likely become far less conservative if the technological utopia comes to pass, and more conservative if it doesn't (give it 20 years?). Having a kid played a big part in this. I'm also becoming more conservative on things like socialism because I think the drive to create said technological utopia will most likely only happen in a very capitalist society (God bless the USA). Again, socialism will come, but after tech enables it. I think the BLM movement is right to be pissed about systematic racism, but I think a far bigger problem facing the black community is fatherless children and politically charged BLM folks should focus on that as well (maybe even instead). Fiddler on the Reef has issued a correction as of 01:40 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 01:38
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Mechanisation and roboticisation of mundane labour can only be a good thing and making fewer and fewer jobs available will help to display what utter nonsense capitalism is. In the vein of climate change, we should just tech for things that can help us counteract as soon as possible - It's a fool's errand to try to reverse course now by cutting all our production. Although using as few resources as possible is always a good thing, especially with dwindling reserves of so many important metals and fossil fuels, even if climate change isn't an issue. We should definitely encourage more public transport and stop people from driving giant gas guzzlers, conserve nature, limit non-CO2 pollution that's actually harmful etc. Fortunately Big Don will have us all driving Iowa-fueled ethanol cars in a few years anyway. The Saurus has issued a correction as of 02:45 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 02:42
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The Saurus posted:Mechanisation and roboticisation of mundane labour can only be a good thing and making fewer and fewer jobs available will help to display what utter nonsense capitalism is. I'm pretty sure the capitalists are just going to use the robots that they own to murder the socialist revolution in the streets.
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May 27, 2016 02:46
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The Saurus posted:Mechanisation and roboticisation of mundane labour can only be a good thing and making fewer and fewer jobs available will help to display what utter nonsense capitalism is. i'm sure that will comfort the people who can't work, that their suffering is helping bring down capitalism
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May 27, 2016 02:51
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Literally The Worst posted:i'm sure that will comfort the people who can't work, that their suffering is helping bring down capitalism Because having a job is the only thing a person needs to not suffer. We all know that the jobs in America are well paid with a balance of work hours and plenty of benefits.
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May 27, 2016 13:31
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If you think that technology will save us from climate change, you haven't been paying attention. Anyone have a good estimate of where the rising seas will cease swallowing the east coast? I want my grandchildren to have beach front property.
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May 27, 2016 16:35
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Best Giraffe posted:If you think that technology will save us from climate change, you haven't been paying attention. I work in tech and have been paying attention? I think we are currently paving the the way for a post climate disaster future (look at the cost of solar for example), and as far as reversal goes it'll require an unprecedented disaster that will likely only effect the 3rd world. I think that unliveable temps in the ME and 20 million deaths in Bangladesh (sea level) will force technological and political action by the developed world before the west is seriously affected.
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Solar panel tech is going to save us from exactly fuckall. And if I misread your post, I apologize in advance friendo E: as for the developing world, climate change will bring about an unprecedented refugee crisis, the likes of which we're already seeing in Syria Ee: ok lol you're so far off base. If you were paying attention you'd know there will be no reversal of the climate crisis, only adapting to it. Toadvine has issued a correction as of 17:18 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 17:09
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yeah the coming refugee crises will largely affect only the EU as China, Russia, and the US will close borders in order to survive. Again, mainly affecting the 3rd world. The EU might close borders too. solar panel tech and breakthroughs in fusion will create a world of complete energy abundance. With free energy and geo engineering climate change is most definitely reversible. Ocean acidification would be a tough nut to crack but I think ultimately fixable as well. Large scale extinctions in the ocean in the mean time will unfortunately suck, but it's won't threaten our existence.
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Lol what else do you believe
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Toadvine posted:Lol what else do you believe I believe many well funded nuclear fusion experiments are going on as we speak (ITER, NIF, General Fusion, EMC^2, Skunkworks, Stellarator). I believe solar is almost at grid parity and shows no signs of slowing down. I believe the US could meet its energy needs by covering a small corner of Utah with panels. I believe battery tech is getting better and better. I believe northern hemisphere temps dropped by 1C in 1783 due to a volcano eruption. I believe we can engineer volcano eruptions with 70 year old tech (nukes). I believe with free energy, desalination becomes economical. I believe with free energy, carbon sequestration becomes economical. I believe humans are capable of great things when faced with existential threats. Fiddler on the Reef has issued a correction as of 17:50 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 17:44
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If you think about how far technology has come in the last thirty years I find it hard to believe we don't solve climate change before a Great Collapse happens.
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I'm sorry, I can't take anyone who opens up with this seriously:ORIGINAL GANGSTER posted:Islam scares the crap out of me and as as result I think a lot of the alt-right stuff about the EU migrant crisis makes a lot of sense (see this guy's channel for more: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmrLCXSDScliR7q8AxxjvXg). My honest political opinion? I can't stand people bitching about a candidate's supporters. The supporters are not going to be the ones doing the governing. The supporters are not controlled by the candidate. Why should your opinion about the candidate's supporters ever factor into your reason for voting?
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WampaLord posted:I'm sorry, I can't take anyone who opens up with this seriously: I forgive you.
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WampaLord posted:
Agreedo. every candidate with a fighting chance has good supporters and bad supporters
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ORIGINAL GANGSTER posted:yeah the coming refugee crises will largely affect only the EU as China, Russia, and the US will close borders in order to survive. Again, mainly affecting the 3rd world. The EU might close borders too. Goons are obsessively pessimistic especially about tech stuff and will mock you if you don't share their incredibly bleak and depressing view of the future.
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ORIGINAL GANGSTER posted:yeah the coming refugee crises will largely affect only the EU as China, Russia, and the US will close borders in order to survive. Again, mainly affecting the 3rd world. The EU might close borders too. you also forget Venezuela is on the brink as are a few other countries, when that poo poo falls we will have a crisis here too. though we might actualy let them in who knows.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:you also forget Venezuela is on the brink as are a few other countries, when that poo poo falls we will have a crisis here too. though we might actualy let them in who knows. Yo this is America. We get other countries, in this case specifically Mexico, to do the brutal needful so we can look like the good guys  This in particular is why Fox and Nieto get so apeshit about The Wall. That its even discussed even as a joke at all is some pretty lovely repayment for doing some seriously ugly things at Yanqui behest so we don't have to look at desperate refugees from gangs whose size and tactics make ISIS look like a Baptist revival tent.
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Willie Tomg posted:Yo this is America. We get other countries, in this case specifically Mexico, to do the brutal needful so we can look like the good guys thats really depressing 
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Dapper_Swindler posted:you also forget Venezuela is on the brink as are a few other countries, when that poo poo falls we will have a crisis here too. though we might actualy let them in who knows. ORIGINAL GANGSTER posted:the US will close borders in order to survive.
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wait, all anyone had to do to stop migration was turn their border lever from OPEN to CLOSED?
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Willie Tomg posted:wait, all anyone had to do to stop migration was turn their border lever from OPEN to CLOSED? well as you pointed out it seems to be working for Mexico. and there's Hungary 
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there are more things in play there than open border/close border a--gently caress it. gently caress it why am i botheri... i mean just look at the beginning of the graph fuckhead hungary has winters jesus christ what you think migration only started in january 2015 no gently caress it. you haven't reasoned yourself into this you aren't gonna get reasoned ou--ACCORDING TO HUNGARY'S HIGHLY ETHICAL LAW ENFORCEMENT HUNGARY'S LAW ENFORCEMENT IS DOING A GREAT JOB and now you say something dumb for the last word
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Willie Tomg posted:and now you say something dumb for the last word heres a daily chart from when the wall was completed on Oct 17.  and what's the point of bringing up ethics? I'm just talking effectiveness and making predictions.
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May 27, 2016 21:09
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ORIGINAL GANGSTER posted:
They did this on the old tv show Dinosaurs!, it turned out poorly. It was the series finale
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MaxxBot posted:Goons are obsessively pessimistic especially about tech stuff and will mock you if you don't share their incredibly bleak and depressing view of the future. But goons are usually extremely optimistic about technology? I mean, I am extremely pessimistic about the coming doomsday and the technosalvation that will most surely avert disaster, but gleefully apocalyptic nihilism is like, my thing. I even have a tower! But also I think OG's scenario still involves the massive destabilization of weather patterns and the seas rising to gulp down millions, so really, I don't know what I'm disagreeing with. Maybe just his tone. We already live in an age of great and fearsome wonders, after all, and I don't for a second believe that the expansion of technology will stop. Not in this, the most entertaining of all possible worlds.
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