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Hillary is literally insane if she really thinks the gun manufacturers should be sued for someone legally obtaining a gun and shooting someone.
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The gun manufacturer accountability thing doesn't make sense to me legally. How are you going to get a case like that through the courts?
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Hillary Rodham Clinton honestly believes she's going to win an election by pointing her finger at the American people and saying "now you guys have to think very, very carefully when you vote about the consequences of your actions! Clearly you don't really know what you want, but that's ok because I do, and it's more global economic policies peppered with a smattering of identity politics and gun control. Vote for me!" edit: sorry, didn't know there was a word filter on that
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Mar 14, 2016 02:53
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Tigntink posted:Hillary is literally insane if she really thinks the gun manufacturers should be sued for someone legally obtaining a gun and shooting someone. It's almost like the lawyer in her just wants to get money from someone, regardless of who's at fault
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Brought up the mothers of people killed by cops who are there to support her tonight while discussing the "culpability" of gun manufacturers. May as well alienate law enforcement while I'm at it.
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Mar 14, 2016 02:54
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Which ever way the wind blows, Hillary.
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Tigntink posted:Hillary is literally insane if she really thinks the gun manufacturers should be sued for someone legally obtaining a gun and shooting someone. Also how would this stop people from using guns to kill? Gun manufacturers are going to dictate policy to gun dealers on who they can sell to?
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Mar 14, 2016 02:54
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Gun manufacturers are terrible and I honestly don't care what we do to them.
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Mar 14, 2016 02:56
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Roger Craig posted:Also how would this stop people from using guns to kill? Gun manufacturers are going to dictate policy to gun dealers on who the can sell to? It's not. It is a great (lovely) way to dodge Vashitta's question regarding how she will stop gang violence in the community. "Sue the gun manufacturers! That will end crime and the causes of people joining gangs and committing crimes!"
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Mar 14, 2016 02:57
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Roger Craig posted:Also how would this stop people from using guns to kill? Gun manufacturers are going to dictate policy to gun dealers on who they can sell to? SURGEON GENERALS WARNING: Projectile bullets as a result of utilizing this firearm while pointed in the direction of another human being or animal may result in severe harm or death to the other organism.
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Fidel Castronaut posted:Gun manufacturers are terrible and I honestly don't care what we do to them. If you create bad legislation that gets thrown out in the courts then you have less power over them in the future.
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Mar 14, 2016 02:57
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Hillary wants to make guns pretty much impossible to manufacture and sell which is okay with me
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Mar 14, 2016 02:57
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sue gun manufacturers execute the domestic terrorists who use those guns
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Fidel Castronaut posted:Gun manufacturers are terrible and I honestly don't care what we do to them. I have no disagreement but there is reality we have to consider. People talk about free University and health care as magical thinking but I find Hillary to be far more outside reality. Americans loving love guns more than apple pie. America makes tons of money selling guns overseas.
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passionate dongs posted:Hillary wants to make guns pretty much impossible to manufacture and sell which is okay with me And which will never happen.
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Mar 14, 2016 02:59
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Fidel Castronaut posted:Gun manufacturers are terrible and I honestly don't care what we do to them. Except this lawsuit that Hillary supports would barely hurt them and would just put a bunch of small business gun stores out of business that would get snapped up by the big gun manufacturers and give them record profits and less competition
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Mar 14, 2016 02:59
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there are some kwastyuns
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These townhalls loving suck.
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Hillary is definitely outside reality on this gun manufacturer bullshit. But no loving way she's generally less practical than Bernie on many of these issues. She's definitely not as progressive, but she never pretended to be. Bernie on the other hand fully intended to shift the narrative and move Hillary to the left, and he has. It'll be interesting to see if he can actually win the nomination, but he is less practical. Further, we're all outside of reality if we think either one is going to get most of what they advocate actually accomplished. Case in point, my question about Bernies trade position that went fully ignored by every Bernie supporter in this tread that came out of the woodwork the moment Hillary took the stage (seriously, the thread grew by 400% since he left).
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Count Freebasie posted:And which will never happen. most things said by Bernie or Hillary tonight won't happen
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If you don't like campaigning for things then PRESIDENT is the wrong job for you, sorry.
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Boon posted:Bernie on the other hand fully intended to shift the narrative and move Hillary to the left, and he has. Only slightly
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I mostly feel hopeless about our gun culture ever changing or any meaningful legislature being passed so all I really have for solace is sharp anti-gun rhetoric, despite it not doing anything.
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Boon posted:She's definitely not as progressive, but she never pretended to be. Bernie on the other hand fully intended to shift the narrative and move Hillary to the left, and he has. If you aren't expecting a hard swing to the center-right once she's got the nom locked up then I've got some bad news.
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Boon posted:Bernie on the other hand fully intended to shift the narrative and move Hillary to the left, and he has. Too bad there's absolutely no reason to believe she wouldn't run hard to the right as soon as the Primary were to end and become another Margaret Thatcher even if she were to survive the General, which she probably wouldn't.
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jarofpiss posted:hillary is just a mess It looks like she's been punching walls and not sleeping since the Nancy Reagan gaffe
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Clinton is going to be president of the United States
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Tercio posted:If you aren't expecting a hard swing to the center-right once she's got the nom locked up then I've got some bad news. Okay, that's certainly possible... I get that Bernie will likely remain true to his word on a lot of what he says (though we said the same of Obama 7 years ago), but if you aren't expecting him to get very little accomplished, I have some bad news for you. My problem with this thread is that both of these candidates are extremely similar on their positions. It's how they approach them that varies here and there. Yet this thread is the equivalent of a general thread and it's very odd to me. Deep Hurting posted:Too bad there's absolutely no reason to believe she wouldn't run hard to the right as soon as the Primary were to end and become another Margaret Thatcher even if she were to survive the General, which she probably wouldn't. You're Boon has issued a correction as of 03:08 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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passionate dongs posted:Clinton is going to be president of the United States George Clinton 2020 Gotta get that funk
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The Clinton/Trump debates will be absolutely loving phenomenal and set viewing records. It will be legendary.
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Count Freebasie posted:The Clinton/Trump debates will be absolutely loving phenomenal and set viewing records. It will be legendary. i'm against public executions and won't be tuning in
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Boon posted:Okay, that's certainly possible... I get that Bernie will likely remain true to his word on a lot of what he says (though we said the same of Obama 7 years ago), but if you aren't expecting him to get very little accomplished, I have some bad news for you. Neither Democratic candidate will get much accomplished. See: the past eight years. The best shot we have at the moment is to change the narrative; to present a case in terms of policies and proposals. I have no reason whatsoever to believe Clinton will genuinely put these kinds of things forward as a nominee. I have every reason to believe Bernie will, period.
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Tercio posted:Neither Democratic candidate will get much accomplished. See: the past eight years. The best shot we have at the moment is to change the narrative; to present a case in terms of policies and proposals. I have no reason whatsoever to believe Clinton will genuinely put these kinds of things forward as a nominee. I have every reason to believe Bernie will, period. Great - start at the state and local level. Don't pound your head against a wall at the federal level, get nothing accomplished, and expect the nation to vote for your interests again. Bernie's biggest value is opening the conversation, not carrying out it and letting it fail for reasons outside his control.
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Boon posted:Great - start at the state and local level. Don't pound your head against a wall at the federal level and expect the nation to vote for your interests again. I completely 100% agree. But none of this refutes my point about Hillary.
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Boon posted:Okay, that's certainly possible... I get that Bernie will likely remain true to his word on a lot of what he says (though we said the same of Obama 7 years ago), but if you aren't expecting him to get very little accomplished, I have some bad news for you. If you expect Republican opposition with both why not go with the person who's policies are more radical so when an enviable compromise is made you end up with more overall? If you go in fighting for $15 an hour you're more likely to get $12 an hour than by starting at $12. I agree that little overall could be done, but why compromise this soon?
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EugeneJ posted:George Clinton 2020 America doesn't have a parliamentary government
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VR Native American posted:If you expect Republican opposition with both why not go with the person who's policies are more radical so when an enviable compromise is made you end up with more overall? If you go in fighting for $15 an hour you're more likely to get $12 an hour than by starting at $12. Check my edit on that original post. I don't believe that the federal level has EVER moved quickly. I don't believe that the federal level provides a basis for progressive policy without decades of work at the regional levels or some kind of trigger moment. The Great Recession, The Great Depression, Pearl Harbor, 9/11 - those things cause rapid change. Even revolutions, however, were preceded by decades of strife. I think Bernie sticking true to his principles as president and failing because of reality only hurts his policy goals. Boon has issued a correction as of 03:15 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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VR Native American posted:If you expect Republican opposition with both why not go with the person who's policies are more radical so when an enviable compromise is made you end up with more overall? If you go in fighting for $15 an hour you're more likely to get $12 an hour than by starting at $12.
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passionate dongs posted:Clinton is going to be president of the United States Sometime in September this is going to be Hillary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7QP9Zqge4s
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