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I'm currently in a lovely (but well-paying) contract position and I've read through this entire thread over the past few days to get some confidence for the interviewing process at wherever I end up next (and yes, part of the reason I want to GTFO is because I'm bored out of my mind here so I had plenty of time to read the thread). *BUT* that's not what I came here about to post- I'm posting now because I kept seeing people talking about whether or not the "never accept a counter-offer from your current employer" stuff that's floating around on the Internet in general is accurate. Basically, if you work at a company that is still funded by investor money (ie. a startup), this can often be your only way to get paid at market rate, and here's my little story about it: At my last job, I worked as a Technical Writer for a startup that was in the very situation I mentioned above. I'd been there for 5 years at that point, and even after a promotion I discovered that I was making a significant amount below the market rate- I mostly hadn't complained because our benefits were great. I really liked my job a lot, but I had thrown out an application to other companies every now and then just to see who'd be interested in me and/or set up a potential salary match where I currently worked (*an important part of this story is that I had known at least one employee had actually done this multiple times, was very valued, and not viewed as "disloyal" at all). Out of the blue, someone contacted me about a job opening that I had applied for 6+ months before (which is a really common thing in the Pittsburgh area for some stupid reason), so I figured I'd give it a shot and interview there. My direct supervisor had repeatedly been asking for me to get a significant raise to my market rate, but the higher-ups insisted that they couldn't authorize it, so I told her my plan since I knew her before I worked there and trusted her 1000%, so she made her own little plan for how to talk to the execs if I did end up coming back with an offer. I interviewed, and during the process realized that I really didn't want to work there, but if they payed me well I'd still do it. All I was shooting for was to get my current salary at my current job up by $6k to match market rates and I would stay. The company I interviewed with offered me what ended up being a $16k increase- enough of one that I'd work there even though it wasn't my ideal working environment, but I still took that figure to my boss knowing that I'd stay with my current company if they simply adjusted my pay to market rate. Their counter-offer ended up being a *$12k* increase and I took it, knowing that the extra $4k on the table from this other job was absolutely not worth it. After I accepted the offer, the VP of my department took me aside and basically said "Sorry you had to do it that way, but it's the only way to get the COO/CEO to approve a bump that big and we really want you here. Great job." So yeah, it can totally work super well if you know that the company is being stingy about pay for a particular reason- in this case that they had to justify it to the board/investors. If you're wondering why I'm working a lovely contract now, it's because, as most startups do, they went under. Sometimes I like to jokingly think it's because they had to pay me more.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:I don't want to knock the wind out of your sails, but that's still only one large raise in five years. Assuming you can get a reasonable raise in any job switch, you could have done that twice by then and been looking for a third at that point. I get that not everyone wants to do that but I don't think a single large raise is a good reason to stick around for five years at the same company in 2017. No problem- not knocking the wind out of my sails at all. Totally aware that it took me too long to start seeking external offers in the first place. (One thing I also forgot to mention was that the "Technical Writer" job title I had was the promoted title and most companies hiring for that were looking for way more experience than I had- my first 2 years there were as an R&D manufacturing technician and I definitely wasn't trying to apply for a factory job. Still coulda probably pulled off the Tech Writer external opportunity earlier though.)
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Feb 14, 2018 21:36
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Dwight Eisenhower posted:Out of curiosity, is the employer who offered you $4k more than you made still in business? Yep, but I have zero desire to work there- super conservative atmosphere, security clearance required, random drug tests all the time, you weren't allowed to have any personal electronics in the building, they searched all of your belongings in and out the door, and I'm ethically opposed to the work that they do (which I only really discovered through the interview). All absolutely not worth $4k/yr to me and I knew I was taking a gamble in being forced to work there if I got no counteroffer. My original post was less about whether or not the choice was right for me and more about the whole "fear of appearing disloyal" thing. It was a startup, I knew it was a risk, and the only reason I don't work there anymore was legitimately because of a lack of investor funding. The main reason I put up with being underpaid there was because the benefits were incredible. Definitely know I could have done better and that wasn't my original point at all. Also, even though I think my current job is boring as all hell, I am making $10k more than I did at the startup. It's amazing how much less work and more pay a lame corporate environment is. Anyway, to make a long story short, I now know how to better handle myself in the future because of this thread, so thanks for making it!
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SEKCobra posted:Negotiate for x now and build a clause for more when you get your degree? Dunno if it's the same for Switzerland, but there have been multiple times where I've seen people I worked with be promised a higher salary when they complete [x] undergrad/grad degree and then it mysteriously "not being able to happen" or "bad timing" when they actually complete their program.
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So, I just got a (somewhat of a surprise) phone call about an in-person interview that is now scheduled for this Friday. I say "somewhat of a surprise" because it was something I kind of threw an application at and didn't make any effort to include a cover letter or anything else because I thought I might have been underqualified. Turns out I'm not after re-reading the description. However, the HR person setting up the interview refused to schedule it without me giving them a salary for my last full-time job. I tried saying I was contracted not to tell her, asked if she could put "1" or "negotiable" in the field, all that stuff. She claimed that it was to make sure I didn't want way more than the position payed, which based on what I've read about the company, might actually be the truth since they're a smaller bank and apparently people applying there think they'll get big bank salaries. I ended up telling her a salary, but it was a non-specific number that I currently make in my contract position instead of my last job- my supervisor from that job knows that I did this and doesn't care, so they'll never find out I upped it by like 10k if they call her for my reference and they have no way of finding out otherwise because that company literally doesn't exist anymore. I know that this is listed as a "walk away 95% of the time" scenario on the thread intro, but I think I may fall into the 5% end on this. I currently only get (lovely) health insurance and 5 days of PTO per year at my contract position. The position I'm interviewing for provides full benefits (all insurance, 401k matching, more PTO, volunteer days, more holidays), so I'd actually accept the same salary if I had to, although I do plan on negotiating upward if I get an offer. So my main question here: does this mean they're going to be an awful place to work for? I'm going to do the interview either way, because, hey- practice, but I kind of want to have a game plan before that. I also realize that I may not even be offered a job here, so it may not matter at all. I have a few other interviews in progress, so I could always use this to accelerate those processes if I did get an offer and it didn't seem terrible.
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Mar 27, 2018 17:26
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fantastic in plastic posted:If your current environment is poo poo, they might be a stepping stone out of it. But I wouldn't have high hopes. This was basically my plan. I hate my current job so much that I'd work almost anywhere else for the same amount of money as a stepping stone just so I can get out of here while I continue to apply other places, but I wanted some input from here. Plus, the contract I'm currently in will likely end in the middle of summer so I'd rather have a not-great job while I'm looking instead of being unemployed. If I wasn't so desperate to get out of here I almost certainly would have walked away from that phone interview. You guys are telling me about what I was expecting myself- just wanted to make sure I wasn't totally off base. Hoping for the best, but expecting the worst!
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Mar 27, 2018 17:58
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Namarrgon posted:The confrontational though satisfying tactic if they staunchly refuse to play is to tell them to go first. If they're afraid you'll fall outside the range, let them name the number and you'll decide. I tried that too and it didn't work. I already have another opportunity that popped up like two hours after I posted that where I actually have two internal referrals, so I'll probably just go to the interview for this poo poo place as practice and then not accept their offer if I get one unless there is an *incredible* explanation as to why they were loving weirdos on the phone.
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Just curious if I did the right thing here: I had an initial phone screen for a job that I'd be pretty excited to get as far as what the actual work entails. I think it went pretty well and towards they end they started listing all of the standard benefits that go with the position, which were great (a good amount of PTO, 56 hours of sick days, 7% match on 401k, 1-2 work-from-home days per week, 11 paid holidays, a yearly 5% bonus). Currently, I make 62k in a contract position that offers middling health insurance and 5 days of PTO per year. That contract will likely end before the fall and I don't think I'm likely to get hired on full time (and frankly I don't want to because it sucks here), so my BATNA is next-to-nonexistent. The only thing on my side is that I'm pretty overpaid for what I'm currently doing- the pay for the work in this new position would be about market rate. During the phone interview, after they fired off their benefits, they surprised me by just all-out naming their salary range as 50-60k without me asking, then asked me what I thought about it. I responded by saying "I was looking to shoot higher than that, but I think between that and the benefits we can probably work something out if we get that far." In all honesty, I would be happy to take this job for the same salary I make now- I'm more interested in having good benefits than a big salary jump for this next career move, although obviously a combo of both would be ideal. Did I say the right thing, given my circumstances and it being so early in the hiring process? I'm asking this now because I have two internal referrals at the company, so my chances of getting an offer are higher-than-normal.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:It's pretty obnoxious if they don't let you go in the red to some degree - is anyone really gonna skip their vacation because "oops I haven't quite accrued enough hours"? I think I'd either quit on the spot or just go on my vacation regardless if any manager ever told me I couldn't take vacation that I was set to accrue soon enough anyway. I worked at a place once that gave you [x] total number of days per year that accrued rather than being day-1 benefits. They never cared if you went negative- the only penalty was that if you quit or were fired and your PTO was negative, it was taken out of your severance/final paycheck. This policy was totally fine (although it was an under-paying startup that gave us kind of an insane amount of PTO to make up for it, so it was hard to go negative anyway).
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I just got an offer for a contract that I thought I was under-qualified for, so when the contract company called me about salary, I was just going to take whatever they offered, but then I got a little backup confidence thinking about this thread mid-phonecall. They asked me what I was making now (lol), I told them I wasn't allowed to say because of my contract, but I told them what I was looking for based on the terms of their contract. I said $45/hr (which is a huge increase for me- I make $30/hr now). They came back and said they could do $42/hr but had originally only budgeted for $40. Just netted myself an extra $4,160 a year with basically two sentences worth of effort, for a total of a $24,960/yr increase. Never don't negotiate
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May 1, 2018 20:00
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:What does letting the offer sit for a day do? The illusion of very careful consideration I guess? I get weirdly nervous about people thinking I answered too fast too even though it's probably not even something they think about.
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Jul 23, 2018 21:03
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Friend posted:The answer to this question might just be "quit" It is. I worked at a startup for a few years and while I did initially get promoted early on, they kept promising I'd seem a significant raise down the line or a title bump over and over again and it never happened. Then the company went bankrupt.
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Nov 2, 2018 18:18
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Does anyone have any general tips for negotiating when your position is converting from a contract position (W2 through a staffing agency) to a full-time employee? I don't believe I've seen that specific scenario in this thread. I'll take any general input, but here are some specifics about my scenario:
If I get an offer for this, it won't be for at least another month or two, so I just wanted to prepare myself in advance. Any general or specific input on this situation is greatly appreciated!
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A follow-up on my post on the previous page about going from contract to full time at my current company: I did end up getting an offer- they must like me more than I realized, because I applied for an internal position and literally the next day they told me I was going to get it without an interview or anything. When HR called me a few days later to talk to me about it and poke at what kind of pay I was looking for, they claimed they didn't know what I currently made, but there's no way that wasn't super easy to find out even if that was true, so I knew my BATNA was still pretty low. They offered me 78k, which is lower than my current rate, but once you factor in benefits, is significantly more compensation (as a W2 contractor, I was hourly with no vacation days or 401k match and our health insurance was super expensive). Not wanting to push my luck too much, I immediately came back with "can we push that up to 80 even?", and they immediately just said yes. I realize I probably could have gotten more, considering how easily they took that one, but I didn't want to push my luck since they had access to my current pay. Anyway, to make a long story short, it's the same as always: never not negotiate! Edit: The job title was the same as my current one, just on a different team in the same department. If this had been a step up I absolutely would have asked for a lot more. m0therfux0r fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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Jan 17, 2019 18:37
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I can also say with 99% confidence that you will never be moved into the specialist role. And that 1% chance that you are will happen years later than "months".
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May 31, 2019 18:09
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I'm guessing this is a startup running on investor money since their equity/stocks are still private and they don't offer a 401k match. If a business is in this stage, since they aren't technically profiting off of any sales yet, it's common to not offer a 401k match. There's no harm interviewing here, but don't even consider an offer unless they pay you a shitload more, because you're going to probably be forced to work long hours and there's a 99% chance you won't ever see a cent from equity/stocks. The "unlimited PTO" thing is also a red flag, but if you get to an in-person interview and you have a segment with another employee that's at the same level as you, you can probably ask them if people are actually able to use their PTO. Often, the "unlimited PTO" thing is total bullshit, but I personally know some people that work for unlimited PTO companies and are actually allowed to use it, so it just depends. All that said, your current deal is pretty good, so I'm going to repeat myself: don't even consider an offer unless they pay you a shitload more.
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I'm not nearly as much of an expert as other people here. I just saw your post and immediately had nightmarish flashbacks to a past job. Sounds like you got an alright deal though- congrats!
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Nightmarish is an exaggeration- I actually liked the work I was doing, but eventually I realized that I was being waaaaay underpaid. The other red flags that eventually came were way later and I was only able to find out about them since I was already an employee. The one that sticks out the most is how management kept insisting everything was totally fine after two VPs resigned within a few days of each other (one of whom was the first employee at the company besides the founder). A year later we were bankrupt and about 120 people were laid off (leaving literally 15 people in the entire company).
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I'm not really sure if this belongs in this thread, but it's funny either way: Yesterday a recruiter contacted me about a technical writing position with a major bank in downtown Pittsburgh. When I asked him to send me the job description, he literally just sent me this: quote:Job Title: Technical Writer Just a list of two skills with absolutely no job description. We had a phonecall (because I was just curious about what the hell this was) and he said that it was a senior position, requiring 10+ years of experience and verbally gave me like... no more description than was there. Definitely didn't want this, so I just said gently caress it and outright asked him for a ballpark figure of what they were looking to pay (again, with no intention of going any further) and he told me 40-50k. I currently have 7 years of experience and make 80k with a 10% yearly bonus (that actually is paid out each year). I laughed at him and just said "that's half of what I make now" and told him I'd consider it for 120k knowing he won't ever call me back. Recruiters are the worst.
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Chaotic Flame posted:So I think I'm in a position where I think I have to know when I've won and just accept without negotiating. This is for a literal dream job.... If it's your dream job, go for it, but just know it's not much of a raise- I just looked at a cost of living calculator and NYC is about 1.5x the cost of Chicago, so your raise might not feel like much, but if you're happy now, you should still be happy then. Still negotiate either way.
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Blue Scream posted:When I applied for a job, the application wouldn’t let me progress without filling in a salary field. So I did. After 3 interviews and a reference check, they offered me the job at the salary I asked for. I asked for 24 hours to think about it. Is it poor form to ask for 10% more ($55K versus $50K offer)? Honestly I intend to accept the job anyway, I just thought I’d see if there would be harm in asking. Don’t want to start the job off with them thinking I’m a bad sport. So yeah, like everyone else said, don't put a real number there. However, this is the point where you're *supposed* to negotiate so it definitely won't look like poor form. They might not budge since you gave a number, but if they're dicks about it (like acting surprised/appalled you'd ask for more), I'd recommend not working there because they're probably awful since this is totally the normal time to negotiate. Also if you want 55k, ask for at least 60-65 or they're gonna give you like 52 if they bump it up at all.
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Blue Scream posted:I legit think they’d turn me down if I asked for $10-15k more. It's been said a bunch of times before in this thread, but if they yank your offer because of asking for that much instead of just saying "No. $50k is the max." then you don't want to work for them anyway. That'll be just the tip of the "we're a lovely and awful place to work for" iceberg. (I mean, yeah, if you ask for like $120k instead they might yank it because it seems like you're insane, but 10-15k is totally a reasonable request, whether they agree to that salary or not.) m0therfux0r fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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^Unless you're talking about being on a W2 through a staffing agency as a "contractor". The benefits aren't as good as they are for FTEs but the pay is the same since they handle all that extra tax poo poo. (I know you're talking about contractors on 1099, but some people don't seem to realize there's a difference between the two).
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spf3million posted:Hate to be the bearer of bad news but dollars to donuts you'll end up being one of those two left behind at some point in your career. The company dgaf about forcing you to cover someone's workload "just until we hire someone to replace them real soon I promise". Especially if it's a small company like he says. I once worked for an office of ~40 people and we lost our shipping and receiving clerk (there was only one). They had one of our buyers (of which there were only 3) add the entirety of that clerk's mostly physical job to the tasks he had already, effectively making him do the entirety of two completely different jobs (one computer-based and one manual labor) for about a year until they found someone else. When "merit increase" time came in the middle of that year, he got the same 2-4% raise that everyone else in the company gets and nothing more.
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Yeah why would you wait 4 years to see what might happen? Take the money now and keep looking for new jobs. You'll find one sooner than 4 years unless you live in an area that has literally one company in a 100-mile radius (which is probably a thing that doesn't exist).
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Oct 8, 2019 14:12
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There's also no harm in seeing if another company will pay him more right now. If he gets an offer and doesn't like it he's under no obligation to take it and it's good interview/negotiation practice even if it doesn't work out.
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Oct 8, 2019 18:32
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Though I am definitely not familiar at all with legally mandated pay raises, the point isn't that you might not get the raise (though that would absolutely be the point in the US), the point is that you might be able to find a job that pays you that much or close to it and be in that job for the next 4 years instead of just waiting for that raise. EDIT: this is in reference to SEKCobra's post, not the one just above mine
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spwrozek posted:It is probably the most appropriate thread? I don't think we have an annual review thread: how to I get more money/title/etc. Not sure we have to be so rigid. Because you basically can't do anything about the annual review/raise stuff. That all hinges on whether or not you have a boss that will fight for you to get a good raise and whether or not HR/higher-ups are going to shut down your boss fighting for a bigger raise for you. The only thing you can do on your own to maybe *slightly* improve the odds of a good raise is keeping track of your accomplishments, and even then, "do you have a good boss that will fight for you?". It's pretty much out of your hands. Speaking up for yourself is pretty much the only advice there. And even then that's only gonna work like 10% of the time. I was stuck in a job for a little while and I *did* have a good boss that fought for me- she got me a 10% raise when the company explicitly claimed they were only giving 3% max, but I was making so little at the time that was literally just a couple bucks an hour. I make almost 3x what I made at that job now, 3 years later, and that company no longer exists. m0therfux0r fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Drunk Beekeeper posted:Thank you guys, I think this is what I needed to hear. The big career move sounds enticing but the cons are starting to outweigh the pros in my head. I have my current boss drafting up a counter offer so we will see what he comes up with and go from there. Start looking for a job now. There's a huge chance you're on a list as a flight risk now and could just be suddenly laid off/replaced if you take that counteroffer, but you don't have much of a choice at this point. Next time, if you're "eh" on a job opportunity, don't even bring up that you got an offer to your current employer unless it's to give your two weeks or it's a huge risk for you. It doesn't matter how integral/irreplaceable/high performing you are. Read the thread more- this has been discussed repeatedly. That said, not trying to make you panic- good luck.
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:As I mentioned previously, I got into a tough-nosed negotiation about a project I'd successfully completed for our department and lobbied for a stipend to be made a permanent part of my total compensation going forward. Unfortunately, my department head decided she wouldn't be making that decision. Instead, I improved my BATNA to a nearby job that is offering me a 25% pay raise. Congrats! Did they act "surprised" when you gave your notice?
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Nov 21, 2019 19:50
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THE MACHO MAN posted:My baseline for pushy people is a $10-15k raise from where I am now, and say I want to move up from that so you can always 'settle' and be okay. Quadruple that for pushy people. That's like a totally normal pay increase for a new job. If you think that's a really high salary for a recruiter demanding a number, you've been screwing yourself.
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Jan 19, 2020 23:33
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Vegetable posted:1. Always ask for the range: It never hurts to ask the recruiter or hiring manager what is the salary range for the job listing. I've interviewed for over 30 jobs in the past year. Multiple times I was able to get the recruiter to disclose their range outright or provide a sense of it. You can't take them for their word and you don't have to restrict your ask to that range, but it sure as poo poo beats having no information at all. 
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Would it be worth making a new thread or temporarily changing the scope of this one to include strategies for "getting the least hosed by recruiters/hiring managers when you have no BATNA"? If those strategies even exist. On another note, if anyone is getting hosed right now and has experience with regulatory and/or technical writing in the medical field (or another strongly regulated industry) PM me because I currently work for a company that makes ventilators and might be able to point you towards a job opening- our department is one of the few that is desperate for new hires at the moment. We switched to a 100% remote policy several months before all of the COVID-19 stuff, so you'll be able to keep your job wherever you live once all of this is over. We pay extremely well for the area, but it may just be "average" if you live in a very-high COL area.
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This is kind of a weird question, but definitely in line with this thread: I work as a Sr. Tech Writer for a company that makes sleep and respiratory therapy products (CPAPs, ventilators, associated accessories, etc.). I started as a contractor working on the sleep therapy side for about a year- then a full time position opened up in the ventilator department. I applied and was hired without even needing to interview and negotiated a pay bump that basically gave me the same take-home cash as I got while I was a contractor, but with full benefits and holidays on top. I've been working on the ventilator side of things for just over a year now. I like my team a lot and unless they're really great at lying, my team also likes me a lot. One of the tech writers for the sleep team just accepted a promotion to a project manager role and now everyone on the sleep team is asking me to apply to be her backfill (another person called me just a few minutes ago to convince me). I also like that team quite a bit and I like working with those products a liiiiiittle bit more than the products I work on now, though I'm still quite happy where I am. If I moved back to the sleep side, it'd be a totally lateral move (exact same job duties, just different products). My question is: how much of a raise do you think I can squeeze out of this? And I'm not asking this from an "I *need* more money" standpoint- currently I basically make more money than I ever thought I'd make in my life living where I live. However, if the opportunity is there, I might as well get a little pay bump. I currently make about 88k and we get a bonus targeting 10% each year (the bonus isn't negotiable- they're set up like pay bands). What's a reasonable amount to ask for given the circumstances? Before anyone mentions it: no, I'm not trying to go to another company at this point- I work in what literally might be the most job-secure field possible during the COVID-19 pandemic.
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Hooplah posted:It just kind of struck me they were interested in moving for its own sake with the potential of some extra bonus cash on the side. I was pushing back on that as being risky, which is basically what you're saying. Yeah you're kinda right here. The benefits for me are: - I like working with the sleep therapy products a little more (I use a CPAP so I understand them a lot more, plus the work on that side is a little less chaotic since there's less crazy hospital stuff involved). - There aren't many tech writers here that have experience in both departments. That could be an advantage for me down the line. - I'll be the tech writer in charge of our newest CPAP model that's coming out within the next year or so. I'm currently the tech writer for our newest ventilator that just came out a few months ago. Being involved with both of those could also be an advantage for me down the line. - I might be able to get a tiny pay bump. The biggest risk is that there's a new manager for the Sleep department that just started around a month ago, so I don't know her very well. I'm not worried about the rest of the team though- they have all individually contacted me over the past 3 days to try to get me to come back, so I know I'm well-liked there. Guess I secretly just wanted a pros/cons list for this and you certainly helped me out there. I realize that this is kind of past the "negotiation" discussion at this point, so if this is too off topic I can drop it so I don't derail the thread.
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This does happen regularly and with no bad blood- I've witnessed it multiple times. Agree that the benefits could be extremely minor, if any for me, but there has recently been a new job category created that's sort of a "tech writer project manager" role that's a big bump up in salary and is up one bonus pay band. This could potentially set me up for moving into that role in the future, although that is absolutely in no way a guaranteed thing. Anyway, thanks everyone. Gave me some good stuff to consider here!
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I was going to stop posting about it, but there's been an interesting update to the lateral move I was posting about on the last page. I decided to just bite the bullet and talk to my manager about it before deciding what to do since she'd find out anyway as soon as I applied if I decided to do so. It turns out that the Sleep department has been lacking a competent tech writer for like 3 months now and my manager said that it would be great for the business if I switched over. She's talking to the other managers about it and demanding that they give me a raise (I didn't even ask). I'll turn it down if it's a poo poo deal and they don't give me a raise in writing, but this was definitely unexpected. And yeah I know it's a risk, but hey, I'll take more money. 
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There's no need to explain why- just say some variation of "How about [x]". Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but listing out all of these reasons why they should pay you more looks desperate to me. The only way I'd include an explanation would be for things like benefits- if your leaving your current job for them would be a significant cut to benefits, then it's probably worth saying that to attempt to get better benefits. For money, just suggest a higher number. They'll likely either accept or come back with something in between their offer and yours.
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Zarin posted:A third party company is handling this background check. Part of their process is to contact the current employer; I can ask them not to, but then that makes extra paperwork for me (and could potentially slow things down). You can just sign up for an account on the IRS website and pull your transcripts from the years that you worked there to prove it. If you have them ready it slows things down by like... an hour. I've had to do this twice because a company that I worked for went bankrupt and by the time I was out of unemployment, it no longer existed so there was no way to contact them. If you haven't settled your pay for the new job yet (which I hadn't the first time I had to do this), they accepted the transcripts with the income blacked out without any issue. It sounds like you have settled it though so you might even be able to send those right over. But yeah, I have never ever had a company contact my current job when I've said no. The only time I put a reference for my current job on an application was when I had a manager that I was *already* friends with before I worked there and they were encouraging me to apply to other jobs because our company was underpaying me and after like 2 review cycles of her trying to convince management to give me more money they kept refusing. I doubt that this is your situation.
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Barudak posted:How do you all figure out what an appropriate for a job salary is?I have an offer from a company who claims they "never do negotiations" and am feeling lowballed for the position. Like when we started talking the salary range floor that was being discussed was 10 grand higher than where we're coming in at now. I have till Friday to do an in person walk through of their offer and I'd rather be well armed before going in and asking for more. Hard agree with Eric- you'll always be underpaid at this place and even if we aren't considering pay, working there will probably be terrible. I'd pass on the company entirely simply based on that impression, but if you're unemployed or desperately just need some income right now like many people, you could take it, but keep looking for a new job the entire time and don't be afraid to move on if you get a better offer somewhere else, even if you've only been working there for a few weeks.
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