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Not sure if this is exactly the right place to ask, but it seems right. My girlfriend and I both work in the same industry and are looking to relocate. We interviewed this week at competing companies in the city we would like to move to, and both got offers. Because it's a little of a niche industry and kind of a small world, so to speak, my potential employer knows my girlfriend interviewed at the other company. I actually interviewed at two locations owned by the same person; one is specialty and one is more generalized (and in another town ~20-30 mins away). I'm more interested in the specialty place, and today received an email back with an offer, with the caveat that the owner would prefer that I not work in the specialty office if my girlfriend is going to work for the competitor (conflict of interest?). I kind of get it, but it also kind of seems like bullshit to me. I am going to sleep on it before I respond, but as I've never been in this situation, I thought I'd get some more perspective. Thoughts?
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I sent an email back to try to address those concerns and they agreed that it would be unfair to exclude me based on where someone else was interviewing, so it's "tabled for now". That said, I don't know what will happen going forward because I think she plans on taking the job at the competitor. The industry is vet medicine (which is all privately owned and small business driven in my state - legally corporations can't own clinics here) and I am a vet nurse, so it's not like I am a doctor or in some kind of position to plunder their trade secrets or IP or anything. My girlfriend's place made her an offer without any stated caveats or concerns (and actually told her to have me pass my resume their way if I was interested in their clinic).
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Hi again everyone, it's been a while since I've needed to post itt. I am a licensed vet tech in Maine and have interviewed with a practice management software company. It is a switch in industry for me (kind of - the company sells the software to vet clinics) and I will be doing software implementation. The interviews have gone very well, and they just made me an offer last night. Overall, I am very happy with the offer, but some outside feedback would be nice. The company is small(er), with about 70 employees, but it's based overseas and they are opening a new office where I would be working. It requires me to relocate from Maine to Texas, which is about 1900 miles away. They didn't mention any relocation reimbursement or anything like that in the offer, but we did talk a few times over the course of multiple interviews about me having to relocate. I think that asking for that is not unreasonable - any advice on a good way to frame it? I've never had to negotiate for relocation before. During the first interview the recruitment manager mentioned that the position is banded between 40k-50k with a bonus structure. They offered me 42.5k and the bonus structure, while it gives me percentages, doesn't really narrow down how much I might realistically see as a bonus. I feel like I am at a bit of a disadvantage because I am changing fields and going to be working a position that I don't have experience in, but they were very eager to hire me. I am inclined to ask for the middle of the range instead of the lower quarter. Right now I make 34k doing vet tech work. Any thoughts/tips/advice? My offer is good until the 11th, so I am trying to take a day or two to really mull it over and iron out the details. The salary is less important to me than the relocation reimbursement, if I'm honest, but it would be great to get both.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I question the wisdom of moving 2,000 miles away unless the new job is a major step in the direction you want to go, career-wise. (Or unless you're not from Maine and don't really give a poo poo about moving away from there.) Have you scouted out what actual living expenses are in the area you'd be moving to and how they compare to where you currently live? I have looked into the COL as it compares to where I live now and calculators tell me it’s 10-15% cheaper where I would be moving to. I looked into rents and they range from comparable to better than my current area for the same kinds of housing. I haven’t actually been there so I am a little under informed about which neighborhoods are lovely to live in, but I am investing that as well. I am not bothered by the idea of moving to Texas, just dealing with the cost associated with packing up and shipping out there. I have some family and friends out that way. The job itself is a big opportunity for me. I am sick of clinic work and have been on the lookout for a chance to transition into something else more lucrative, that my current skill set is still at least somewhat relevant in. Being that I’ve never had to try to negotiate moving expenses, can anyone elaborate on how that works? I’ve started pricing out moving costs already. Do I just say “moving expenses to the amount of $xxx?” And give them an estimated number? I appreciate the advice!
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I have written a first draft of an email I intend to send to the hiring manager from my above post. Here is a redacted version; please tell me (gently) what is garbage and what is not: an email posted:Hello [Recruitment Manager], From my interviews, the CEO and Recruitment Manager guy are both younger (right around 30, I believe) and both exude this kind of "start-uppy" feel for the company, and both of them asked me things like "are you excited about this opportunity?" which is why I chose the 'starting a new and lasting adventure' line, even though it feels kind of pretentious to write.
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Simpsons Reference posted:I was hoping to get something like 66% of what the recruiter was charging, as I stepped up above and beyond what they were looking for, but they really want to keep payroll down. They have a couple attorneys on staff that make 40k, and this is Boston. They really do need me, but then again I kind of need this as well because I lucked my way in to "management" when all I could get before was AR and AP jobs. I'm hoping to springboard to something much better after this. That’s loving criminal - get thee away from this place if you can manage it. Maybe negotiate hard af to the best number you can get, then look at leveraging the new title into something at a place that will pay you money.
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Just got an offer for a promotion from specialist to team lead in implementation, which will mean having 5 direct reports on my team, and being one of three leads in my office. The promotion comes with a change in my bonus scheme, which makes up a little more than 20% of my income annually (around 14k in bonus annually), but is very reliable in being paid out (it’s more like a commission per completed project). The new structure is based on team kpi’s and billable days, and has a higher cap, but comes with the possibility that the bonus doesn’t get paid out of the team isn’t on enough projects across a quarter. It’s happened once that the other leads didn’t have their teams make their billable days, which isn’t really that much in their control. They’ve offered me an ~8.5% raise in conjunction to the new bonus structure, which has the potential to be 20k annually, IF it’s paid out at the highest potential bracket. More likely, the onus would be 16k annually (meets expectations bracket). So, if I don’t make bonus for one quarter, that’s basically the whole raise they gave me down the drain and I’m breaking even with what I make now. They were really keen to promote me, and said I was the standout candidate/obvious choice. I’ve asked them for specifics and clarifications on the offer, and followed that with a counter offer of twice the raise they were offering (give me 8k instead of 4k) due to the increased risk of not making bonus, as shown by it already not having been paid out one quarter in the last fiscal year. I’m sure I did the right thing by counter offering, but they haven’t gotten back to me yet so I quietly freak out inside.
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Eric the Mauve posted:
Pretty much what I expected, and pretty much what happened. In some respects, this company does really well (6 month reviews with significant raises attached every time so far) and in others they are weirdly bad at dealing with these things. They said take it or leave it, so I’ll take it, but unless something changes drastically in the next 12 months (it is unlikely) I’ll be transitioning elsewhere for a real raise. In the end it’s the first official leadership experience I’ll have on my resume and therefore a good opportunity, so meh. If bonuses go the way I’d like, it’ll be more money, so I’ll let myself be somewhat optimistic about that.
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that's a clever way of promoting suckers to more work and more risk of getting blame for upper management blunders hung around your neck for the same pay.
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Dik Hz posted:Why is the job open? Is it because they didn't pay gently caress-all to the last guy and he bailed? Added position, office is growing. The whole story is a long mess, but I’m basically transitioning out of working in vet clinics as a vet tech so even though I’m underpaid for the actual job I have, it’s my stepping stone to a better, more lucrative career. I went from making 31k/year as a tech ($17.50/hr, but on a 36 hour schedule) to making ~42.5k base plus ~10k in bonus and 4K in per diems as a software implementer for a veterinary software company, got back to back raises at 6 and 12 months, plus a boost to bonus scheme/per diems and to put me at 48k plus ~14.5k bonus and 6k in per diems. At the very best, I will make 52k base, 20k in bonuses, and 6k in per diems in the next 12 months, assuming the pattern of raises breaks (but I don’t think it will). E: when I think about having more than doubled my annual income in less than two years, it does feel pretty good though 😬
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Owlspiracy posted:final update: thank you thread. asked for 15, got 13, my goal was 10. Congrats, but why go back and edit out all your posts? 
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