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what is your actual negotiating position other than "give me more stuff" and have you communicated any expectations already?
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Ultimate Mango posted:Wow that is really interesting. Dumb question: My next hire will be in Texas, but I and my office are in CA. Texas rules apply, since the person will work in Texas, right? why are you saying gently caress California for a rule change that would have benefited you
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Jan 8, 2018 18:23
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I would tell them the median of the range and see what they do with it. Offering a range as the employer is as stupid as offering a range as the prospective employee.
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Jan 9, 2018 13:51
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My gut tells me that a) you're not doing the job that your predecessor was and b) you've only been doing it for six months, so asking for roughly 2x your current salary seems bold. I would not disclose that you know your predecessors salary.
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Jan 16, 2018 11:41
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George H.W. oval office posted:Got a job offer! Yay! They don't offer 401k because of some misguided bullshit saying they can be sued for losses in earnings. Boo. What's a reasonable counter to compensate for lack of retirement? Being capped at $5500 a year in an IRA is really a bummer. cold hard loving cash on the nail barring that a bunch of vacation days i guess
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Mar 1, 2018 22:08
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:My dude, starting managers at McDonald's make $48,000 what are you doing you have an "MBA in finance" this isn't even that hard. lovely MBA is my guess there are a million poo poo MBA programs reliably churning out graduates
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Mar 9, 2018 18:02
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Zauper posted:As a note, relocation expenses are usually paid in the form of a bonus, which has tax implications. So you may need to ask for it to be grossed-up to cover the tax implications as well. it has tax implications in that it's taxed as income, yes
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Mar 9, 2018 18:05
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Well ya already done hosed up (as you are aware) by providing a range. You can try to anchor based on salary benchmarks - you know that 100K CHF is on the low end for someone of your seniority, so if you say hey I know market rate for 10 years experience and a bachelors is 130K CHF, you might be able to negotiate to the high end of the range you provided. You almost certainly are not going to get more than 100K CHF no matter what you do, and since you already provided 95K and your BATNA is weak you probably shouldn't push overly hard. You can ask, but expect them to sit at 95K and tell you to take it or leave it.
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Mar 21, 2018 14:48
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I don't think that you should try to anchor to your current salary at all. You are exchanging your free time to do this work. What is the number that you would say "gently caress yeah let's go" if this project were proposed to you? Ask for that number. If its a hundred bucks an hour, ask for a hundred bucks an hour. If the company says no, who gives a gently caress? This advice does not apply if you are trying to break in to a freelance consulting gig - or maybe it applies extra. Our subcontractors and independents make anywhere between $70 and $300/hr depending on skills expertise and need.
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Mar 22, 2018 19:34
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real numbers help dawg
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Apr 2, 2018 02:03
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pro negotiation tip: don't loving move to houston
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Apr 3, 2018 22:07
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That's basically how my place works with the addition that there are mandatory vacation periods for everyone that don't count against PTO and are paid, and everyone earns the same PTO. You aren't allowed to take vacation in the first six months unless you request it at time of offer.
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Apr 6, 2018 18:31
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ask for 99 and if they don't budge take 95 if you're willing to take 95
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Apr 11, 2018 16:18
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:What you negotiated for, over the course of a career, is a $3k annuity paid over the next 30 years with a present value $39,000. not bad for 45 seconds' work
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Apr 12, 2018 19:37
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Eric the Mauve posted:“Your benefits package is inadequate so I will require $110,000 a year in salary to make this move worthwhile.” He already anchored at 100 plus five weeks vacation so i don't really approve of resetting your ask to a higher point
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Jun 13, 2018 21:45
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Consulting bonuses are not guaranteed but they are not anything like normal corporate bonuses.Chaotic Flame posted:All it takes is one year of the company "not meeting its goals" (company could still be profitable for the year) and all of a sudden your bonus shrinks or disappears. this, for instance, is not really true
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Jun 14, 2018 23:05
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my bonus is variable to my benchmark amount based on firm performance but there has only been one year in 25 where that bonus payout was below benchmark If a big firm isn't paying out bonuses or squeeezing those bonuses they will lose people very quickly because let's face it consulting firms are fairly fungible for the actual consultants
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Jun 15, 2018 13:15
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I'm confused as to how "paying for benefits" (ie actually having health insurance) is considered a net negative in this scenario. You're not obligated to take the company's health insurance. Otherwise, yes, she can negotiate. Do you mean her current freelance rate is $65K year/gross? As others have pointed out, there's a big difference between gross pay as freelance/self employed and an employee that works out very favorably to the employee. If she gets $70K gross as a FTE that is going to be significantly more than a $5K increase in net pay. PS get health insurance
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Jun 26, 2018 22:18
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other than the dude recognizing that his BATNA is not as good as he thinks it is if you have a weak BATNA that just means you have to realistically expect to capitulate in negotiations is the company sponsoring your residence in your new country in any way?
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Jun 27, 2018 14:54
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your BATNA sucks because if the company tells you to pound sand here are your choices: 1. suck it up, start looking maybe if you're super mad. in a high-friction market with long notice periods you will be working for this company for some time still 2. quit immediately what are you gonna do, boss?
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Jun 27, 2018 20:03
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Yeah, to be clear I am not saying don't ask. You should ask! You should ask for the moon and a loving unicorn and ten weeks paid leave per year. Just be very, very aware that your employer is unlikely to give you what you ask for even if you think it's reasonable, because your BATNA is to quit, and you should (almost) never quit without a real plan in place.
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Jun 27, 2018 20:13
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i wouldn't sign that noncompete
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Jul 24, 2018 14:36
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loving lmao
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Aug 21, 2018 13:38
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The first lesson is always ask, and until people learn the first lesson they miss out on opportunities. The second lesson is know when you've won. It sounds like you got what you wanted, so be content!
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Aug 31, 2018 13:37
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i would stay after giving notice if i was given a big chunk of equity
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Sep 10, 2018 21:37
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ok the idea that you have to pay out a bonus in that case is patently absurd
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Sep 12, 2018 12:55
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evobatman posted:I'd counter 74k. unless you have a really good justification as to why you're worth this amount i don't think this is a very good idea since jizzy's BATNA is real low
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Sep 14, 2018 12:33
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Yeah pretty much that. It’s plus 10k and he hates his current job. By the way congrats jizzy!
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Sep 14, 2018 23:05
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cool, man, that's awesome!
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Sep 15, 2018 13:18
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Eric the Mauve posted:Anyone who tries to demand you tell them your current salary is trying to screw you. yeah with the important distinction that someone demanding your current salary is not the same thing as someone asking what your compensation requirements are
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Sep 20, 2018 02:24
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i would recommend some firm fixed component plus a lower per unit unless you think this thing is really gonna take off
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Sep 28, 2018 00:55
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have you read any of the nine trillion posts in this thread about counteroffering and benchmarking?
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Oct 5, 2018 15:25
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you can definitely use the offer as a barometer for what you are worth in negotiations to see if your current joint is screwing you or not just don't tell your current joint you have this information from an offer or they'll think you will be jumping ship
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Oct 5, 2018 17:02
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Ralith posted:Personally I'd act under the assumption that he himself forgot (or never even knew) about the details of the posting. If you have a strong market-value case to get more than the posting, great, ask for that, but you absolutely shouldn't accept less, and should gently and politely remind him of it if you can't get more. I would operate from an assumption of ignorance or forgetting as well. It's possible that HR posted the job description originally and didn't communicate, or maybe this was a new tactic to try to get candidates and is not in keeping with prior policy. Assuming forgetfulness or ignorance is only upside for you. It gives the boss the opportunity to correct themselves if they truly did not know or forgot, and it gives them the opportunity to save face and keep you if they were trying to lowball you, and if they tell you "sorry no can do" you know they're a fuckhead. If you just email the attachment (by the way: what on earth made you think that was a good idea?), you look like you cannot communicate, are hostile, and too cowardly to have a decent conversation. If you really want to destroy your relationship with your boss, by all means, do that middle-school poo poo. I also don't understand why you "asked for a raise" rather than just saying "hey when I applied for this job the salary posted was X if I got a fulltime offer, here's the posting, I am confused as to why you are offering me less than X now." Eric the Mauve posted:On the other hand, don't work for people who lie to you. And especially don't let people get away with lying to you and continue to work for them anyway. I agree with this, but the best way to find out if they're lying or incompetent is by communicating and using your words.
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Oct 8, 2018 12:00
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gandlethorpe posted:Thanks for the tips everyone. I'm gonna make the stupid decision because people usually aren't in the right mind while grieving. Maybe in a few months I'll come around. I have a question, one that you may have answered but I missed. Did you ask for more money / raises / whatever before you started job searching? Eric the Mauve posted:Exactly. Being informed by an employee you depend on heavily that he's got another offer and is about to leave can be an "Oh poo poo!" moment for management, who will respond by paying what it takes to keep the employee in place long enough to reorganize things and make him nonessential. Happens all the time. Isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as you have your eyes and options open.
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Oct 21, 2018 23:51
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:lol, this is a little bit of a derail but you should 100% never judge someone based on how they choose to spend their money (or incur debt!) put away the GGGC bat signal pls
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Nov 2, 2018 21:21
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Friend posted:Yeah that's definitely true for some people I work with, though you can still get a reasonable idea by taking an average of the parking lot and figuring out you're near the bottom of that average. jesus christ dude quit
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Nov 2, 2018 21:21
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There's also nothing wrong with asking politely as long as you're very cognizant of the fact that the other party is also very likely to politely tell you no. (or impolitely)
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Nov 9, 2018 22:17
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It doesn't hurt to ask, but unless your company is run by very nice people the answer is going to be no... and unfortunately for you if your company was run by very nice people, they probably wouldn't have cut off your reimbursements.
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Why don't you just name a high number that you would definitely accept that's above what you got hosed on but at least within a realm of reasonableness? Say that the recruiter told them $90K. Asking for $120K is probably reasonable as a negotiating starting point. Asking for $180K is probably not.
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