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My boss asked me to start supervising our temps (3-7 of them at any given time), onboarding new ones, giving trainings, managing their assignments, and basically being their boss so he can be the boss of the 7 full-time employees he has (including me). I wrote up a role description and played with our org chart to tinker with lines of report (or communications, whatever). I think this could be a good thing for my resume, I've managed a team in the past, and I know I can do this in addition to my regular duties without much trouble (maybe half an hour of work extra a day). 1. What can I call myself? We have formalized roles with the titles of Assistant, Coordinator, and Manager, and I don't think I will be allowed to use any of those. Is Team Liaison too dinky? My official title is Editor so I'd be on the org chart as Editor / Team Liaison. Maybe Team Lead would be better? I don't want Temp in it because it sounds like a temp promotion for me. 2. We only do performance evaluations once a year, in April. I want to ask for a raise now because this is beyond my job description and I already do more than the other Editors. Any phrasing or just good vibes for asking for a raise now? 3. What do I do in April? Assuming they give me a bump now for these additional responsibilities, would I still be able to negotiate for a raise in April? 4. Previous bumps in this job were 4.5% my first year and 3% my second year. I want to ask for 5%, but I feel almost certain that will be denied (my org is very rigid on pay bands), or the boss will say "I may be able to do 5% in April, but not now." Thoughts? I'm reading all the blogs about this, but a goon perspective is appreciated (said no one ever). THANK YOU!
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fantastic in plastic posted:"Team Lead" would be a fine title for that in tech, not sure about your industry. Liaison is too vague, sounds sort of coordinator-ish, not supervisory. Thank you, and thanks Motronic! I think Team Lead is the right choice, even though I'm an editor / publications specialist at a nonprofit. Wish me luck. It's so obvious after reading this thread and the corporate thread for years, but if it's more work, I want more money. I am sort of doing a lot of the tasks already, but not all of them, and I'm also going to use the Ask A Manager phrasing of "I think it's for the best if we document what I'm doing, and because this is beyond the scope of the Editor role, I would like that to be recognized. Can we have my title and salary reflect these additional responsibilities? If not, I'm going to have to turn down the opportunity because it is beyond the role I was hired to fill."
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Sep 19, 2018 14:29
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Betazoid posted:My boss asked me to start supervising our temps (3-7 of them at any given time), onboarding new ones, giving trainings, managing their assignments, and basically being their boss so he can be the boss of the 7 full-time employees he has (including me). So, after meeting with my boss twice about this, today I met with my boss and boss's boss. The boss's boss seemed quite aware of the workload and listened very carefully to my pitch. I provided a new org chart, a Team Lead role description (that included responsibilities, competencies, duty allocation, and reporting hierarchy) and a sample piece of work that this role would produce (I made an onboarding checklist because I swear my boss has never seen one). It went super well overall. I think it will be approved and I think I'll get a raise, too. My boss's face, though, throughout, as it seemed like a. I'm pretty good at this, and b. maybe he's not so good at this.
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Oct 5, 2018 21:07
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Yes! In the one-on-one with my direct boss I said I wanted a 5% bump. He said he'd raise that with his boss. But I didn't bring it up with her because they had already met to discuss the new role. I think he brought it to her then, but I'm not positive. I sort of chickened out of bringing it up with her myself. Maybe that was stupid. It's actually my boss's boss's boss (Department VP, god we have so many levels) who will decide if I get the raise, the title change, and the responsibilities.
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Oct 6, 2018 18:11
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I love this thread so much. Success story: I've been in my role (let's say I'm an editor) for 3.5 years and am drat good at it. I made a play for my boss's job, was turned down, and basically topped out in my division. Time to look around... In my current role, I earn $61k, up from $55k when I started. I'm at the top of what I can earn in this role. I applied for a senior editor role that I was really interested in due to the perks (one weekly WFH day, 20-minute walk from home to work, great company reputation, fitness subsidy, client in my husband's field that I know a bit about). I didn't expect anything to happen right away, so I accepted a lateral to go to another team in my org because this other team has more promotion potential. Same salary of $61k, but better supervisor and more chances to promote up into project management at some point. I figured, even if I didn't get the senior editor job, I had to move on for my sanity. A week goes by and I get a phone screen and an on-site interview for the senior editor role. The (internal) recruiter asks for my target and I dodge, saying "the total compensation is what's important to me" etc. He tries to pin me to say a number but I won't, so he says "let's just say $80k for now. Does that sound okay?" I'm like sure, great. On Friday, I got the offer and it's $81k, meaning a 32.7% bump in salary. I'm going through background check to get my clearance and my start date is set for mid-October. I expect my clearance will go through pretty fast because it's a really low level and I held a clearance before. There are only two hitches to my story: The team I transferred to is going to be PISSED when I say "actually, sorry, I'm out of here." They're spending a lot of time on me right now for training. But honestly, if my company wanted to keep me, they'd have promoted me or given me a salary bump with the lateral. The other thing is that I'm going from 208 hours of PTO (26 days per year) to 144 hours (18 days per year). I think the salary, commute, etc will make it worth it, but it does suck. I pushed back and asked for 160 hours (20 days) and the recruiter said he couldn't make that happen. I'm still really happy with the salary and can't wait to start the new job! I'm giving the standard two week notice to my new team as soon as my clearance goes through and I get my firm start date.
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Dik Hz posted:I think you're substantially under-valuing how valuable a stable drama-free tenant who pays their rent on time every month is to your average landlord. Yeah. Given the pandemic and that my tenant is a quiet nerd who plays D&D every Sunday you're a goon, aren't you, Ben?, I'm considering lowering his rent just to keep him.
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Dik Hz posted:This. There some real wack-a-doos in here who view anything less than a full condemnation of all forms of capitalism as grounds for the If the guillotines come, they come. I'm the beneficiary of a lot of privilege. Should I sell my apartment that I plan to move my father-in-law (who is happily living alone at age 70) into when he can no longer care for himself? Nah, I'll keep it, and rent below market rate to a nice dude who works at my old company. If my spouse and I divorce, it'll also be where I live if he kicks me out of the inherited family home where we live (and he's the sole deed owner). poo poo goes sideways and I'll need to live somewhere.  On topic: I'm wondering about the negotiation strategy of staying in the same role if my contracting firm loses the recompete. If the base pay is set by the government holding the contract, and The Firm loses the recompete, what's my leverage in saying to the new contract holder "yo, I'm here and a known entity, hire me at your contracting firm"?
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Lockback posted:No, he means to the new contractor. They won't really care if he goes since he's part of the old guard. "If you don't hire me I'll walk" isn't exactly a threat.... Bingo... In a previous role, I was scouted by another firm that won the recompete. I ultimately didn't want to go with them because they were a rinky-dink outfit that I suspected won on lowest price technically acceptable (LPTA), which was laughable given my current employer, who was as mickey-mouse as they came. I was so inexperienced at the time that I was scared to jump ship but it ultimately ended up being a good thing for shooing me off a sinking boat. I just see the same thing happening next year with my current contract and am a little more savvy these days about trying to figure out where I'll land if someone else comes in lower on an LPTA bid. Edit: also I'm a chick. 
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silvergoose posted:Can you sense the employers' emotions as leverage though? Bro, the hiring manager is Ferengi, so no, it doesn't work.
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Magnetic North posted:Maybe this is weird but personally, but I don't care to say I am well compensated (except to check my privilege and know that I am fortunate to be doing better than a lot of people). Dunno why. Maybe some puritanical money shame or something? I just can't imagine saying "I'm well compensated" in a sentence for whatever reason. Isn't one of the premises of this thread to know when you've won? I'm a poet who earns way above what I would have ever expected, and it's on the high end for my chosen field (editorial quality assurance). Don't get me wrong, I do work hard and earn it, but I feel like the loving dog who caught the car sometimes compared to my poetry cohorts.
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Sep 22, 2020 16:05
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Sorry, I no read good. The junior consultant market is all hosed up right now, a lot of offers got pushed, and people are getting laid off. KPMG and Accenture just had decent sized layoff rounds in the couple hundred range. Confirm... I joined my company as a senior consultant with a master's and 6 years relevant experience, plus 3 years non-relevant experience.
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Thanatosian posted:Had The Talk today with the HR person for the local government office for my hopefully upcoming job switch. It's a union job, pay bands go from $75,000-$95,000, I went ahead and asked for the 8th of ten steps at $91,000. I'm hoping they come back with $80-$85,000, but honestly I would totally take the $75,000 (it's a 25% pay increase with better benefits). Good luck! 
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Jan 14, 2021 00:56
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Dik Hz posted:Who is "the rest of us" to you? A lot of the stuff in this thread applies to any negotiation. But the group of people that post about career stuff on a dead comedy forum tend to skew towards computer touchers. Guessing manual labor or service industry. I'm not a computer toucher (just a garbage office drone) and I love this thread.
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Feb 18, 2021 04:11
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nazca posted:The invoice is out and as soon as it is paid I will be buying an ad for this beautiful pot of gold of a thread and doing it 70 more times. You are a good goon. This thread is in my bookmarks for a reason.
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Inner Light posted:Deloitte (we call them big D on Fishbowl) is a pretty solid player in IT consulting, at least from the outside Experiences at Papa D depend entirely on the talent model you're hired into: consulting (demanding, multiple clients, high paying, interesting, room to grow) vs. contracting (straightforward, single client, good paying, boring, dead end). They don't advertise which talent model the position is on, so you have to know to ask.
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