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You can't cloak anything in space, anything warmer than background temperature (which it had to be to even be alive or active) will emit blackbody radiation. There's also the light from the sun that you have to either reflect or absorb (which raises the temperature). So sorry, you can't hide in space. Now pretending to be an asteroid, that's something different. Of course, if you ever move enough, you'll get noticed as anomalous. Your Delta V change will get puzzled over. Though I dunno about this one, if the people doing the tracking aren't doing it with enough precision, you might get away with it. All of this ignores that I'm fairly confident you're a little out of it. So just relax, aliens aren't here, or coming, or watching you. Find a new hobby, buddy.
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fnox posted:Maybe they know we aren't and are deliberately avoiding us because of it.   
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Mar 19, 2016 08:32
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The aliens are using effectors to trick any electronics that could detect them.
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rudatron posted:You can't cloak anything in space, anything warmer than background temperature (which it had to be to even be alive or active) will emit blackbody radiation. There's also the light from the sun that you have to either reflect or absorb (which raises the temperature).
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Mar 19, 2016 08:35
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Because they told me they weren't, duh.
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Mar 19, 2016 08:45
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A Buttery Pastry posted:How do you know the aliens aren't doing their monitoring from inside the Earth? Somewhat over-complicated when they can base their sociological dissertations on the interwebs and TV.
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Mar 19, 2016 12:00
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A Buttery Pastry posted:How do you know the aliens aren't doing their monitoring from inside the Earth? Molemen and Reticulants hate each other, they would never cooperate.
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Anosmoman posted:Somewhat over-complicated when they can base their sociological dissertations on the interwebs and TV.
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I know that I try and establish contact with every ant colony I see. I talk to them but they don't understand me, and their actions seem contrary to certain values I hold and I can't comprehend the reasoning why first contact works the same way
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Extraterrestials, ghosts, God - the supernatural. The truth is out there - in the Anthropocene you have amazing (but ultimately crude) means of seeking - do not forsake an opportunity for learning and growth.
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The closest event to a first contact in human history is the discovery of the Americas, so I really hope we're not found in my lifetime.
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An alien civilization parking a big 'ol spaceship in earth orbit would indicate a radical change to the physics parameters of our simulation. It's impossible to say for sure, but in such a situation I would posit things are not about to get better for us.
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OP please expound on your belief that Jesus will save us from the aliens, TIA
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No.
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Wait a minute. Ok, now we are good.
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Who What Now posted:OP please expound on your belief that Jesus will save us from the aliens, TIA I hope OP hasn't gone for this misinformation - they are clearly asking the right questions.
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Seriously though, the astronomical energy expenditure involved in interstellar travel means that A. They're probably not gonna come all this way and not do anything and B. They probably not going to need to bother conquering anyone.
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Mameluke posted:The closest event to a first contact in human history is the discovery of the Americas, so I really hope we're not found in my lifetime. An event that was far more complex than "white people kill non-white people"
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Are we the first new civilization they've found? They'd be excited. 200th? Probably give no fucks.
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rudatron posted:You can't cloak anything in space, anything warmer than background temperature (which it had to be to even be alive or active) will emit blackbody radiation. There's also the light from the sun that you have to either reflect or absorb (which raises the temperature). I think you're a little too confident about the first thing. When we've lowered the temperatures of helium to 0.0001K several years ago why don't you think that could be sustained for a hull, or that light can be manipulated in ways we haven't dreamed of. As for my insanity, well people thought that germ theory was insane too. French Canadian posted:Are we the first new civilization they've found? They'd be excited. 200th? Probably give no fucks. I don't know. We catalogue stars and nebula and primitive tribes, etc. McDowell posted:Extraterrestials, ghosts, God - the supernatural. it is very, very strange that this forum treats the existence of extra terrestrial life as tantamount to the supernatural, probably based on nothing more than the latest Neil DeGrasse Tyson podcast. Also I don't call the pathological attachment to Occam's Razor and the continual practice on this forum of yelling past each other and virtually never settling on any conclusions or definitions "learning and growth."
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Pegged Lamb posted:it is very, very strange that this forum treats the existence of extra terrestrial life as tantamount to the supernatural, probably based on nothing more than the latest Neil DeGrasse Tyson podcast. Also I don't call the pathological attachment to Occam's Razor and the continual practice on this forum of yelling past each other and virtually never settling on any conclusions or definitions "learning and growth." I don't mean anything mocking about what I am saying - here are a couple resources: Videos Text
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Pegged Lamb posted:it is very, very strange that this forum treats the existence of extra terrestrial life as tantamount to the supernatural, probably based on nothing more than the latest Neil DeGrasse Tyson podcast. Also I don't call the pathological attachment to Occam's Razor and the continual practice on this forum of yelling past each other and virtually never settling on any conclusions or definitions "learning and growth." It isn't, but the additional subtext in this case is that you have had a schizophrenic episode and treat the future arrival of aliens as a foregone conclusion as a result.
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Pegged Lamb posted:I think you're a little too confident about the first thing. Says the guy presenting that extraterrestrial life will contact the earth in his lifetime as an indisputable fact.  Idea for a new thread: "First appointment with a psychologist: is Pegged Lamb ready?"
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The 19th and 20th centuries were a period where the existence of deities, spirits, souls, the afterlife, and all forms of the supernatural were thoroughly debunked. We're about 99.99% certain that there is no God and that the universe works by naturalistic processes that leave no room for magic or spirits. This has been a crushing blow to the world's religions and many atheists love to rub it in the faces of religious people. But I bet many of those same atheists have their own hopes and dreams, such as the myth of progress and the idea that humanity will one day expand into outer space. But what if the 21st century is the century where the same thing that happened to the cherished beliefs of religious people also happens to the dreams and hopes of science-loving atheists? As we learn more and more about the universe, we're also learning that faster-than-light travel is impossible, that we'll never expand into outer space and encounter other intelligent lifeforms, that we're pretty much stuck on this planet and eventually we'll run out of resources and just peter out. No Star Trek, no Star Wars, no nothing. Who are you to sneer and smirk at God-believers who think their dead loved ones are in Heaven, when your own beliefs about the world are equally childish and false? The nerd who thinks we'll one day make a warp drive is equally as foolish as the Jesus lover who thinks God hears his prayers and that God has a plan for him.
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Blue Star posted:The 19th and 20th centuries were a period where the existence of deities, spirits, souls, the afterlife, and all forms of the supernatural were thoroughly debunked. We're about 99.99% certain that there is no God and that the universe works by naturalistic processes that leave no room for magic or spirits. This has been a crushing blow to the world's religions and many atheists love to rub it in the faces of religious people. But I bet many of those same atheists have their own hopes and dreams, such as the myth of progress and the idea that humanity will one day expand into outer space. But what if the 21st century is the century where the same thing that happened to the cherished beliefs of religious people also happens to the dreams and hopes of science-loving atheists? As we learn more and more about the universe, we're also learning that faster-than-light travel is impossible, that we'll never expand into outer space and encounter other intelligent lifeforms, that we're pretty much stuck on this planet and eventually we'll run out of resources and just peter out. No Star Trek, no Star Wars, no nothing. Who are you to sneer and smirk at God-believers who think their dead loved ones are in Heaven, when your own beliefs about the world are equally childish and false? The nerd who thinks we'll one day make a warp drive is equally as foolish as the Jesus lover who thinks God hears his prayers and that God has a plan for him. What is dark matter? Dark energy? Gravity? Time? Thought? You have an opportunity here - do not waste it.
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Fojar38 posted:An event that was far more complex than "white people kill non-white people" Of course. I think of the one of the arguments put forward in the book 1491, which essentially boiled down to "the very first livestock introduced by the Spanish carried diseases that cut through an unprepared population, vastly depopulating swathes of the Americas before any whiteys showed up in person."
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SedanChair posted:It isn't, but the additional subtext in this case is that you have had a schizophrenic episode and treat the future arrival of aliens as a foregone conclusion as a result. I was lying down, not shifting in place for about three minutes before I felt both of my shoulder blades independently fold inward into my back. What is the epidemiology for schizophrenia that causes that? For fucks sake our species is just now finding out that fat isn't categorically bad for you and we still don't understand half of how the human body utilizes water (or half of the other properties of water, for that matter.) http://nautil.us/issue/25/water/five-things-we-still-dont-know-about-water. Get off your high horses. We are dumb apes and you should assume that most of the energy you've expended building your overconfidence and supposed intellectual superiority to the masses has been in vain on anything but certain economic issues. Who What Now posted:Says the guy presenting that extraterrestrial life will contact the earth in his lifetime as an indisputable fact. Don't try to start one of those never ending "but, you said" things by deliberately mischaracterizing my original post which is a hypothetical, as you well know it is, and you are just being a vindictive rear end in a top hat for no reason (or out of a habit formed on this forum) v No it isn't a stretch; neither is it apropos to bring it up in this thread which I intended to be separate from that discussion. It seems, though, that the ribbing was just too tempting. if you want me to close this thread because we're already travelling covered territory just ask. Pegged Lamb fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Mar 19, 2016 |
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I already said, they're called tactile hallucinations, and many schizophrenics complain of sensations that things have been implanted under the skin, as you did. It wouldn't be such a big deal by itself, but combined with the whole "god was revealed to me and the aliens are coming" thing it's kind of not a stretch. In any case you should get an evaluation and let a professional make the call.
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Pegged Lamb posted:v No it isn't a stretch; neither is it apropos to bring it up in this thread which I intended to be separate from that discussion. It seems, though, that the ribbing was just too tempting. if you want me to close this thread because we're already travelling covered territory just ask. It's not ribbing, I am telling you you need help, not to be spinning out insane poo poo on the internet in search of validation. I am not in the habit of suffering the delusions of the mentally ill.
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Regardless of the readiness of human civilizations, if the aliens wanted some sort of human auxiliary force I would sell you all out and join it immediately. I'd hope there's some sort of robot suit involved but that doesn't factor into my immediate and enthusiastic betrayal calculus.
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Pegged Lamb posted:Don't try to start one of those never ending "but, you said" things by deliberately mischaracterizing my original post which is a hypothetical, as you well know it is, and you are just being a vindictive rear end in a top hat for no reason (or out of a habit formed on this forum) I'm not interested in hypotheticals, I'm interested in what people actually believe and why they believe it. Edit: And also you really do need to seek help.
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Louis Farrakhan: "disregard everything I said earlier. Hypothetically, what if it turned out the evil scientist Yakub invented white people?"
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SedanChair posted:It's not ribbing, I am telling you you need help, not to be spinning out insane poo poo on the internet in search of validation. I am not in the habit of suffering the delusions of the mentally ill. Germ theory seemed insane, at first, and all of the sudden it wasn't. I don't claim to be half the man this guy was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis but he was locked up for the seemingly ludicrous suggestion that washing your hands before an operation might have beneficial side effects by other genuinely concerned, well-meaning people eager to diagnose mental illness without a proper evaluation. I have taken the several suggestions to seek professional help under advisement and I will as soon as I can. Until then I suggest you alleviate your own 'suffering' by reporting this thread or have me close it, or simply bringing your attention elsewhere. Or better yet you could participate in the original exercise whether or not you think it is harm(ful)less fancy. There's a thread about malicious genies whose author might also enjoy your gifts of mercy. SedanChair posted:Louis Farrakhan: "disregard everything I said earlier. Hypothetically, what if it turned out the evil scientist Yakub invented white people?" Again we're at this "Interstellar travel, in my universe? What is this scientology/Necromonicon bullshit?" We're very unfortunate that physics seems to proceed only from one genius to the next. It leaves precious little room for uncertainty. Pegged Lamb fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Mar 19, 2016 |
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Frykte posted:Is there any chance that aliens would take all of earths water for themselves, and if so what can we do about it? Just taint it with fertilizer runoff and plastic particles?
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Pegged Lamb posted:Germ theory seemed insane, at first, and all of the sudden it wasn't. I don't claim to be half the man this guy was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis but he was locked up for the seemingly ludicrous suggestion that washing your hands before an operation might have beneficial side effects by other genuinely concerned, well-meaning people eager to diagnose mental illness without a proper evaluation. I have taken the several suggestions to seek professional help under advisement and I will as soon as I can. Until then I suggest you alleviate your own 'suffering' by reporting this thread or have me close it, or simply bringing your attention elsewhere. Or better yet you could participate in the original exercise whether or not you think it is harm(ful)less fancy. There's a thread about malicious genies whose author might also enjoy your gifts of mercy. So now you're comparing yourself to a pioneer of medicine, based on feelings in your shoulders when you were lying in bed. Grandiose delusions are another feature of schizophrenia.
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SedanChair posted:So now you're comparing yourself to a pioneer of medicine, based on feelings in your shoulders when you were lying in bed. Grandiose delusions are another feature of schizophrenia.
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Pegged Lamb posted:Germ theory seemed insane, at first, and all of the sudden it wasn't. So? His claims were at least made using observable evidence and not merely a random feeling they once had. What's your basis for belief that there is an interstellar traveling intelligent race out there?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I see right through you. Go back to where you came from, we don't want your kind here, Earth belongs to humanity. I DOn't kn0w wha---t you;re talking about
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Potential BFF posted:Regardless of the readiness of human civilizations, if the aliens wanted some sort of human auxiliary force I would sell you all out and join it immediately. I'd hope there's some sort of robot suit involved but that doesn't factor into my immediate and enthusiastic betrayal calculus. This is exactly what I am talking about. I hope you will rethink this.
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