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Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Ytlaya posted:

One thing a lot of people fail to consider when it comes to the topic of stuff like interstellar travel is the fact that there might, in fact, be hard limits to what can be done with technology. There is no law saying that organisms must be capable of interstellar travel. There seems to be this common assumption that literally anything is possible with enough time and technological advancement, but there is no reason to think this is true. People say stuff like "well, we also didn't know how to fly through the sky!" but the kind of obvious difference there is that we at least knew "things flying through the sky" is a thing that can technically happen and it was just an engineering problem for humans to do it. The same doesn't really apply to stuff like interstellar travel. Some sort of sub-light-speed, extremely inconvenient travel may be possible, but anything that would allow an organism to freely travel among the stars is no different than magic.

There is no hard limit preventing any species with our level of intelligence or greater, and access to our level of material resources or greater, from interstellar travel.

People get this confused, thinking that interstellar travel must necessarily be faster-than-light travel, but it does not, any more than the vast time frames involved necessarily even matter. Your post betrays a significant anthropocentric and even present cultural bias.

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Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

First contact will likely be us finding some basic unicellular life on a rock in this solar system, there being a flurry of public attention surrounding this discovery, followed by society drifting back to the track it was already following as people got bored with this new revelation which fundamentally changes nothing in our daily dumb ape lives.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

zeal posted:

If the aliens aren't here to exterminate us to begin with they certainly will once they get a good look at the vile works of our wretched species

What if the aliens see that we're a species of emotionally driven selfish monsters, see our global systems of oppression, our history and ongoing waging of genocidal wars, and then give us a high-five and welcome us to the club?

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